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dcnovice -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 1:03:13 PM)

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I wouldn't say admire, but I have a grudging respect for Thatcher...she had a vision, she had principles which she was prepared to live or die by...a million miles from my principles, but she was good for her word.


I thought of her too. And when the Iranians seized those sailors a while back, I'll admit I thought "They wouldn't have tried that with Maggie!"



EPGAH -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 1:09:22 PM)

I sort of have a grudging respect (I.e., the way you "respect" certain poisonous snakes) for the third-world politicos; they may be the world's most brilliant con-men instead of the world's foremost retards...
They can guilt most of America into funding the hostile takeover and/or bankrupting through involuntary "charity" of OUR OWN nation!
Think of it: Demanding "rights" from a country that hates them--and getting it--mostly by pleading via their children...Then setting up a HUGE hue-and-cry whenever someone threatens the Gravy Train (Please lookup Proposition 187...Or Oklahoma's new House Bill 1804...Or anytime anyone has threatened to cutoff foreign aid--even to say, North Korea?[;)])
Who's more stupid, the one that expects to get away with stealing from a nation that hates them through guilt (Note the similarity to the word "guile") WITHOUT militarily subjugating them first...Or the ones so "civilized" they let'em get away with it?
Only recently have Americans begun to wake up and slowly take back our country...Though that may be from economic desparation rather than any actual vertebrate growth!
Whether it's "too late" or not, I leave to finer causality-analysts than myself!



NorthernGent -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 1:09:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I wouldn't say admire, but I have a grudging respect for Thatcher...she had a vision, she had principles which she was prepared to live or die by...a million miles from my principles, but she was good for her word.


I thought of her too. And when the Iranians seized those sailors a while back, I'll admit I thought "They wouldn't have tried that with Maggie!"


Hmmm, it was all planned DC.....the Iranians were naive enough to think they could play games with a nation that perfected these games a long time ago. The fact that the Iraqi/Iranian boundary was decided by the British Government has gone largely unnoticed...they drew a line on a map knowing they'd have this to fall back on when they overstepped the mark and induced a reaction from the Iranians...you can bet your life that both the British and Americans are throwing a lot of fish around in the direction of the Iranians in an attempt to snare a bite.....



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:17:31 PM)

Mosquitoes.
 
They hide when you have the lights on and pounce as soon as you turn it off going straight for the source of your carbon dioxide; da face. Also when you squish them they leave your blood all over your wall. If that isn’t having the last laugh at you then I don’t know what is.



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:39:34 PM)

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What can disintegrate steel into dust?? Anyone know??

Yeah water and air. [:D]



Real0ne -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:41:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

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What can disintegrate steel into dust?? Anyone know??

Yeah water and air. [:D]



you wouldnt mind at least giving us a detailed analysis of exactly how that is accomplished and over what time frame?  I assume you quantified that to seconds as can bee seen in the clip?



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:45:22 PM)

I was joking about Ironoxide, nevermind.


Actually they can cut steel with a stream of jet water containing small particulates, imagine that, and it takes five minutes. 



Real0ne -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:53:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

I was joking about Ironoxide, nevermind.


Actually they can cut steel with a stream of jet water containing small particulates, imagine that, and it takes five minutes. 


well it depends on the rated cut speed of your machine and i have yet to see mits or charmilles produce a machine that can do it on a 30"x16"x4"thickx100foot column of iron in a second..

wanna see it?  watch the clip LOL



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:56:15 PM)

I saw the steel it was in a heap on the ground?

I saw the dust it was in the air all around?

It's not for me to say why some people think it was spirited away.



Real0ne -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 4:58:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

I saw the steel it was in a heap on the ground?

I saw the dust it was in the air all around?

It's not for me to say why some people think it was spirited away.


yeh i seen that one too



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 5:06:44 PM)

There is an old Chinese saying:

If you concentrate only on the dog and the fear of it biting your hand off you’ll be surprised when it bites your dick off instead.[8|]



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 5:09:02 PM)

OK I made that up but the Chinese could be saying it we just don't know[:D]



JohnSteed1967 -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 5:25:51 PM)

There is a quote from a Crusader, after the fall of Jerusalem "The Arab would be the finest and noblest of All people, If they just weren't Arab"

This is the way I see the terrorist, I understand what they "CLAIM" they are fighting for. However, their argument is the same as those that live in the Ghetto and Public Housing projects: "I am only (involved with a gang, dealing drugs, a thief, a murderer, etc. Ad infinitum) because "The Man" is keeping me down, or in poverty"

They do not see that they are the one that creates the visious cycle by contributing to the violence. If I was in Poverty, I would do everything I could, Get a better job, Get an Education, Move to a better neighborhood. Get off my own ass and do something to improve my own life instead of blaming it on someone else.

The Arab, the Muslim Extremist want to make out that every other nation of the world is picking on it, and that they are simply defending themselves.

Hmmmm, look at India and Ghandi, Great Britian was really exploiting the hell out of India turning the whole country into a vast slave labour camp. But Ghandi managed to change the future of his country through Non violence and by saying we have a right to make our own destiny.

Do you think the Muslim Extremeist care about working in peaceful change? Or, do you think they just want blood on their hands?



Real0ne -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 5:26:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

There is an old Chinese saying:

If you concentrate only on the dog and the fear of it biting your hand off you’ll be surprised when it bites your dick off instead.[8|]


I can see how you would apply that to yourself based on your comments.



Real0ne -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/23/2007 7:03:59 PM)



Here ya go John, why not listen to those radical extremists up close and personal like?






NorthernGent -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/24/2007 4:55:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967

Hmmmm, look at India and Ghandi, Great Britian was really exploiting the hell out of India turning the whole country into a vast slave labour camp. But Ghandi managed to change the future of his country through Non violence and by saying we have a right to make our own destiny.



'Don't think so, John.

The English did exactly what the Americans are doing in Iraq today........they deployed a small armed force (70,000 British soldiers), and an army of civil servants. The aim was to modernise India for the benefit of England...sort of Anglicise them. Turning India into a vast slave labour camp is wide of the mark.

Where I do completely agree with you is the fact that they were denied the right to self-determination, ditto the Iraqis.

I suppose the one departure between the English in India and the Americans in Iraq is that the English employed a more liberal attitude, i.e. let's trade with these people and civilise them in the process, whereas there appears to be a conservative strand to American foreign policy in Iraq, i.e. the clash of cultures, it's them or us etc.

You could argue that India has benefitted from English influence, depending on your point of view: the English language, English team sports, English democracy and ideas of liberty, English banking, English style universities. The Americans could leave a similar legacy, but as you quite rightly point out: self-determination is of primary importance.



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/24/2007 4:58:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I can see how you would apply that to yourself based on your comments.



Governments love conspiracy theories because it distracts people away from the real issues is what I meant. So is today a good day to bury bad news?



slaveluci -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/24/2007 5:41:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a person who, as President speaks for the people who elected him, his country and his religion. He has set goals and is pushing steadfast to achieve them regardless of outside influence and opinion.

It's a trait we haven't witnessed in the US from any elected official in my adult voting life.

Amen to that, Merc.  I also would list Ahmadinejad as someone with some admirable traits.  Even though he says some things that are off the wall and obviously wrong (holocaust denial is a biggie), I absolutely admire his determination and the fact that he states bluntly what he thinks of the United States, Bush, etc.  Not one to be led around by the nose most definitely.  I have often said that if we had a leader as brazen and forthright and honest as he is, we'd be in much better shape.  I could be wrong but I don't think so................luci

PS....Hell, while I'm at it, I'll throw in Hugo Chavez too.  Same as with Ahmadinejad, about half-way crazy but has some brass cajones when it comes to telling the US/Bush how he feels.  I had to love it when he called Bush a "devil."  Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, I suppose, but brave nonetheless......



Real0ne -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/24/2007 5:52:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I can see how you would apply that to yourself based on your comments.



Governments love conspiracy theories because it distracts people away from the real issues is what I meant. So is today a good day to bury bad news?


another joke?

Federal employees file the greatest number of conspiracy suits than the rest of the country combined against their fellow federal employees.

Actually governments love conspiracies because people are foolish enough to forget about it over time rather than persue them to a final conclusion.  So to answer your question no today is not a good time nor is tomorrow or the next day.

When people wise up and force investigations of anything out of the ordinary governments wioll no longer try to pull shit like this on people.

You have not made a statement regarding what vaporizes steel and turns it to dust.   I mean a whole huge column at once as seen in that clip.   There are a few people out here that i know can answer that and many more that would prefer no one knows and finally those in staunch demial.  Which one are you?



Raechard -> RE: Admiring the enemy... (11/24/2007 9:29:35 AM)

Sorry are you joking?

The dust you see is a combination of the gypsum cladding and fire protection. I don't see an evidence of steelwork turning into dust. What I see is a curtain of dust hiding the structural frame as it slumps downwards. You've actually shot yourself in the foot by suggesting anyone has the kind of power to disintegrate steel anyway not even them aliens had that power in that film ‘Independence day’. Even after those nuclear tests in the desert you would still find steelwork bent and twisted out of shape as well as some molten steel. Steel is not brittle it therefore doesn't shatter no matter what force is involved, it doesn't crumble like say gypsum does. There are more credible theories if your inclination is to look for some hidden agenda. 



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