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Fidelity -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/11/2005 8:28:24 PM)

The one factor of all religions is that they are based on irrational bullshit.

I looked at Satanism,and it's no different in that regard. My ethics are based on common sense. Nothing more,nothing less. If I seem Satanic for using a few similar buzz words,don't be confused by that.

They are just as full of shit as any of the rest.



pinkpleasures -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/11/2005 8:30:30 PM)

justatoy..i am not so lacking in compassion that i could not have been a girlfriend to you while you sorted things out. i would have probably said my piece but mostly i just would have been there. i don't dump my friends when they lose their way.

As for judgmental; there is a difference beteen saying this is how i intend to live and i wanted to share it, and saying anyone who disagrees with me is bad. i don't think Fidelty set Himself as the arbiter of morality. i don't have any problem regarding the men who cheated on me as pondscum, and at the same time listening to a friend struggling with this issue. i guess i am not hurt by my friend and want to see him well and happy.

pinkpleasures



Lordandmaster -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/11/2005 8:35:15 PM)

Right, your ethics are based on nothing more than common sense, and all religions are irrational bullshit. Now if only the rest of the world would see the wisdom of your ways.

Have you ever considered that different people might consider different things "common sense"? Or are you just incapable of imagining a viewpoint other than your own?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fidelity

The one factor of all religions is that they are based on irrational bullshit.

I looked at Satanism,and it's no different in that regard. My ethics are based on common sense. Nothing more,nothing less. If I seem Satanic for using a few similar buzz words,don't be confused by that.

They are just as full of shit as any of the rest.




Fidelity -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/11/2005 8:44:55 PM)

Yes.

Which is why I discarded them. I understand all of the tenets of major religions. I simply don't adhere to my beliefs out of any regard to them.

And if you are trying to pick yet another fight,only with ME this time,give it up. I am uninterested in playing. I saw where you just went with Junkyard,and You fail to impress me as worth it.



Lordandmaster -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/11/2005 8:56:22 PM)

You know, Fidelity, way back when (as in way before ten days ago, when you joined this site), the Collarme forums were a very pleasant place.

Lately it's been overrun by boors. I prefer it the old way, and I'm going to try to bring back the good days. So people who call all religions irrational bullshit are going to get some flak. Have fun with it.



Fidelity -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/11/2005 9:01:30 PM)

Whatever. Nothing stays the same but the changes.

You can try to hold back the sea with a kiddie pool too-good luck.



DublinSwitch -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 2:51:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You know, Fidelity, way back when (as in way before ten days ago, when you joined this site), the Collarme forums were a very pleasant place.

Lately it's been overrun by boors. I prefer it the old way, and I'm going to try to bring back the good days. So people who call all religions irrational bullshit are going to get some flak. Have fun with it.


Got to agree - you know I am happy for that woman who you did not reply to Fidelity. Sounds like he did her a favour. Why you want to preach your ethics or whatever here, I really don't know. You looking for some sort of accolade??

As for labeling people that do not agree with your high and mighty 'moral/ethical' standards as dictated by your 'common sense' pondscum, well off you go, have a good day.

For someone that labels 'religious beliefs' as irrational, you seem intent on imposing your own beliefs on the rest of us.

Cheers

DS



mistoferin -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 3:25:07 AM)

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For someone that labels 'religious beliefs' as irrational, you seem intent on imposing your own beliefs on the rest of us.


With all due respect, aren't we all "imposing" to an extent our beliefs upon another when we post them in a public forum. I went back through this thread several times now and I did not see one single instance of where Fidelity had told anyone that they must change their ethics, beliefs, opinions or actions to suit him. He has merely stated repeatedly how he personally views the topic of cheating. Everyone else has also stated the ways that they feel about it. Is he not as entitled to his beliefs as everyone else is to theirs? Is he somehow worse for stating his than anyone else on this thread who has stated theirs? What makes him wrong for his views and everyone else right for theirs?



DublinSwitch -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 3:34:36 AM)

Course he is entitled to his beliefs.

However In terms of the response he has gotten, I don't think anyone else has used the term 'pondscum', stated that other peoples beliefs are 'irrational', or called a group of people 'sociopaths'.




EvilTwin -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 3:52:22 AM)

My personal view.
If the situation at home is bad enuff to cheat, then there is no reason to stay there.
I have been married twice.
#1 was an 8 year marraige that ended due in large part because I was home 4 days a month due to my job.
We were VERY up front with our problems after they had surfaced.
She needed things I didnt give her.
She found someone who would/could satisfy her needs.
We were afraid that we wouldnt be able to reconcile the marraige so we divorced.
We had 2 children together.
I talk to her weekly, sometimes multiple times a week.
I concider her one of my closest friends still.
She married the man she found while I was out pursuing a career, I go over to their house and hang out when I pick up the kids every week.
We hold cookouts and invite each other over.

We saw the problem, took what we felt to be appropriate actions, and moved on.
She cheated, and then got out of what she saw as a bad situation that caused the problem.

I have issues with a habitual cheater.
They do nothing to improve an obviously bad situation, and can potentially hurt others.

If you are leaving a person situation and have someone else, then it isnt sitting in one place... being dishonest with everyone... and being totally self serving.

Is cheating in any form bad? Yes
But there are sometimes extenuating circumstances that have to be examined.

I would never try to have any kind of relationship with a person wanting to cheat and stay in their current situation.


Jim



pinkpleasures -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 3:58:30 AM)

quote:

Right, your ethics are based on nothing more than common sense, and all religions are irrational bullshit. Now if only the rest of the world would see the wisdom of your ways.

Have you ever considered that different people might consider different things "common sense"? Or are you just incapable of imagining a viewpoint other than your own?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fidelity

The one factor of all religions is that they are based on irrational bullshit.

I looked at Satanism,and it's no different in that regard. My ethics are based on common sense. Nothing more,nothing less. If I seem Satanic for using a few similar buzz words,don't be confused by that.

They are just as full of shit as any of the rest.


Hey now guys..i am a devote Catholic..how about some respect? Of course it's irrational; it's faith. Now i acknowledge my Church has been particularly sinful but on the other hand it's been around longer than some others. i have not studied the tenets of other religions but unless they are cults i think their members's beliefs deserve respect..just as we should not run after athetists and agnosits trying to convert them.

DublinSwitch...i referred to my ex and other men who cheated on me as pondscum. But the discussion about sociopaths was illuminating.

i would like Lam and Fidelty to make Peace; i like You both. That's my 2 cents.

pinkpleasures



junkyard -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 6:27:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fidelity
I looked at Satanism,and it's no different in that regard. My ethics are based on common sense. Nothing more,nothing less. If I seem Satanic for using a few similar buzz words,don't be confused by that.


I think it began as a send-up of Christianity and then followed the usual route to dogma (at least by some that don't get the joke). La Vey's writing is often humorous though, pointing up the weird double-think and irrationality behind more accepted traditions.

Just an opinion, but real Satanists do not believe in Satan. To them, Satan is just a useful idea. It is Christians that believe in Satan, just as they believe in God.

Anyway, just trying to clarify as I brought it up. I'm not a Satanist.



mistoferin -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 6:33:57 AM)

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i have not studied the tenets of other religions but unless they are cults i think their members's beliefs deserve respect


According to the definition in Webster's of the word cult, I would have to say that all religions are cults.

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k<
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate —more at WHEEL
Date: 1617
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents



Fidelity -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 7:36:54 AM)

Dublin? LAM? I'll express myself as I see fit.

If you want to try to browbeat someone into pc submission-try finding a doormat. It's not going to happen with me.



Veav -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 7:59:31 AM)

*clears throat* I'm not religious myself, just as a preface, but I don't consider religions to be founded on an irrational basis. They have some elements I personally find a tad bizarre, but to look at the infamous foundation of the big C... bearing in mind these are general guidelines, not hard and fast rules...

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image..." If a meme doesn't reproduce, how is it supposed to stay alive? Makes sense to me. Second stanza - I can grok forbidding the worship of graven images. Having faith in icons or symbols is bad, having faith in an ideal is good.

"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain..." Never take the name of god in a vain oath. Not just lying in the name of religion, of course, but also taking the name of religion to meet your own ends and needs; depending on the translation it reads either way, and either way is sound.

"Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy." This one sounds off, I've got nothing... I'll let someone else field this commandment if they like.

"Honor your father and your mother..." Doesn't say you have to love them; just says you should honor them, and I'll buy that. They supported you for X years, and regardless of their effectiveness as parents that's still worth something.

"You shall not kill." Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Other translations have it as "shall not murder", which gives the semantic out to debates over motivation and principle, but killing people in general is bad.

"Neither shall you commit adultery." Marriage doesn't have to be a sacred covenant to be respected. See also: the rest of this thread.

"Neither shall you steal." Again, sounds like a good idea to me. I take pride in earning what I own... mostly... *eyes his hard drives and moves on* (It's still a good idea, I'm just poor. Never claimed to be perfect.)

"Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor." Don't lie? We're getting really irrational here, folks!

"Neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife." Marriage doesn't have to be yours to be respected. See also: the rest of this thread.

"And you shall not desire... anything that is your neighbor's." Jealousy and envy aren't necessarily sins, they're just unproductive. Desire should come from an unfulfilled need of yours, and be sought out accordingly, not because the grass is greener on the other side.

The only one of these foundations I have trouble with is the one regarding the Sabbath, and I'd say a ninety percent signal-to-noise ratio is pretty damn good all things considered. Some religions have destructive foundations, and those I have a problem with - anyone with a better understanding want to bring up the Middle East? But let's take a step back. Religions are not based in "irrational bullshit", they're based on ideas, and many on some very good ideas about how to be a productive and healthy member of society instead of being a disrespectful prick. Don't get hung up on what followers have built with the faith.

*waves a skull and crossbones from atop the thread's mast* Yar, me mateys.



Fidelity -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 8:01:42 AM)

We should be able to do that without an imaginary big daddy in the sky threatening us with punishment veav.

That's the difference between free will and mind control.

The problem with religion, is that it makes the rational irrational. And links common sense to pure idiocy.



pinkpleasures -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 8:21:25 AM)

quote:

Got to agree - you know I am happy for that woman who you did not reply to Fidelity. Sounds like he did her a favour. Why you want to preach your ethics or whatever here, I really don't know. You looking for some sort of accolade??

As for labeling people that do not agree with your high and mighty 'moral/ethical' standards as dictated by your 'common sense' pondscum, well off you go, have a good day.

For someone that labels 'religious beliefs' as irrational, you seem intent on imposing your own beliefs on the rest of us.

Cheers

DublinSwitch


i feel there's been too much trash-talking here. DublinSwitch; i used the term "pondscum", not Fidelty. i for one think Fidelty meant only to express how He felt and ask how others felt about a set of circumstances with moral ramifications. (As an aside, Fidelity, please lay off the religious stuff; those of us who believe and worship are as worthy of respect as anyone else.) Then the thread went off the rails and degenerated and people insulted each other...people i respect. i don't know why this happened but i wish it had not and i hope civility returns asap..i like most everyone who posted here, and don't know the rest. Looking for mutual respect to return.

<throws oil on troubled waters>

pinkpleasures



Fidelity -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 8:24:19 AM)

If they continue to browbeat, I am simply going to ignore them both pink.

Compliance will come one way or the other. I refuse to get into pissing matches with stubborn people online.



Veav -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 8:27:03 AM)

Certainly, we should, but did we? Ancient laws of the Middle East didn't call for equal respect of father and mother - you can thank the Ten Commandments for that.

Implying that religion is "mind control" is also a little paranoid, ne? You still have free will, to obey its precepts, abandon some or all, form your own religion in opposition. Beliefs can be changed.

I also disagree with your final sentiment. The rational remains rational, common sense remains common sense (and, therefore, uncommon). Claiming that one aspect tarnishes another is like saying "blue and yellow make green; I like blue, but I don't like yellow, and therefore I don't like green; not only this, I think green should be burned for including yellow".

And... "pure idiocy"? C'mon, that's not functional debate - that's just an insult.

-edit: per request, the subject is being dropped. I should know better, really. *baps self*



pinkpleasures -> RE: I seem to care more about your SO than you...... (8/12/2005 8:27:10 AM)


Veav..i could not make heads or tails of what You posted (maybe i'm just too dim) but at this juncture i think it's time to turn down the temperature. Why not begin a new thread if You wish to continue the discussion?


Thank You Fidelty...and i'm sorry Your thread was hijacked.

pinkpleasures



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