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samboct -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 3:53:42 PM)

Gack

Amazingly, I find myself largely in agreement with Sanity.  Our morals are the product of centuries of evolution.  In terms of my own actions- I tend to use a personal set of ethics which has involved keeping a relatively large circle of friends-I'm heavily invested in my friendships.  I'm also culturally Jewish, and from my perspective, that's not such a terrible thing- the precepts of Judaism work very well in survival conditions.

Over the years I've learned that all species lie or they become lunch- humans are no exceptions- I don't do this well, so I guess I'm lunch. 

I'm frequently frustrated by the observation that asshole is a successful mating strategy- if it didn't work, men would do something different.  From my perspective though- lying or not following through on what I say I'm going to do would also diminish the friendships I've worked hard to maintain- and I find it too tough to try and act one way with a girl to get her into bed, and another with my friends.  This does lead to some teeth gnashing- she's boinking him?

Such is life- it's a set of tradeoffs, that rarely end well.


Sam



Raechard -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 4:05:35 PM)

I have shared morality and I have personal morality that’s about it really.

My morality isn’t based on religion as I don’t think you need religion to have morals. My morality comes from empathy i.e. I don’t want to make someone a victim of a particular crime because I don’t want to be the victim of that particular crime.

So in conclusion:

Those without empathy need religion for morality and those without empathy or religion are probably the type that steal from you because they would rather you work then them.
 
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hands0n0knees -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 4:44:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Allowing gay marriage could hurt neocons feelings.


And is thereby a moral act in the most absolute sense?



Real0ne -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 4:50:03 PM)



i dunno man i have met plenty of people who play that empathy role like a fine tuned piano and they wait for the chance ta bend ya over and turn right around and tell ya how sorry they feel about it!



samboct -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 4:50:11 PM)

"My morality isn’t based on religion as I don’t think you need religion to have morals."

Agreed- but I suspect a lot of political viewpoints may be learned at religion's knee.  Religions which are not dominant in the world tend to be liberal- Jews are supposed to be liberals-at my Bar Mitzvah speech, I called for impeaching Nixon- what can I say?  I'm really screwed- the pulpit was bugged.  Religions which are part of the existing power structure tend to be conservative- and Catholicism, with its history of ups and downs, tends to be a little of both.

Sam



FangsNfeet -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 8:35:52 PM)

Morality, values, and ethics are all things that the majority deem what's right or wrong. Most law breakers, or someone who breaks a code they were raised on, normally have some justification excuse for the actions. Doing what's right is in the eye of the beholder. That's why it's the standards of the majority which declares what's right and wrong.

Our past societies have done many things in which we, as a majority, no longer view as being okay or ethical.

If law, rules, and law enforcment where to disapear tommorow, what would all of us really do?    



Real0ne -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 8:57:22 PM)



carry an extra clip or 3



Aswad -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 9:38:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

For you.. does morality matter?


Yes.

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When it comes to situations in general, do you just do what's best for you, or do you have other values?


I act in accord with my values. If there is significant disagreement between my values and how I feel, or my best interests (including peace of mind, etc.), I reevaluate my values, since one of those involve being honest with oneself and living true to one's nature. My morals are for my benefit, not for the benefit of others, although the two are reasonably congruent considerations in most circumstances.

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What's the basis for such values: religious, legal, values you were raised with, or otherwise?


The basis for my values are my feelings, and various axioms, including the belief that nature is not wrong. Those feelings include compassion and empathy, though. In any case, all values and morals are arbitrarily chosen, even if that choice is to accept what was handed down. That is not what I chose, however. As Nietzsche explained, the morality of the Master is one in which s/he creates values, based on Self, not in opposition to Other.

Health,
al-Aswad.



Aswad -> RE: Morality: Existence and Basis? (11/23/2007 9:39:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

If law, rules, and law enforcment where to disapear tommorow, what would all of us really do?    


The exact same thing I am doing now; there would be no difference.
Circumstances might change, though, as many let laws and norms dictate their actions.

Health,
al-Aswad.



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