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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:24:56 PM   
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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:25:43 PM   
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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:28:00 PM   
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Oh, I did it.  Just to mess with you.  ;)


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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:28:11 PM   
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Naga, I don't want either.
I want my government doing the things it should be doing like securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws.
I don't want them getting involved in the internal affairs of foreign countries.
There are too many things in the country that need doing like building new infrastructure to be involved in foreign countries.


Fair enough. If you want to decide things on policy and have that policy, I am in agreement with you. I simply feel that it is important to realize the bedrock our government and laws are based on. You may not want it, but it is already here. You sort of have to work with the hand you are dealt, unless you want to start all over again.
I, personally, would like to go back to the Constitution and the original Bill of Rights. I think we have added too much crap (the IRS, for example) and we have been managed by those with socialist leanings for too long. And I very much prefer the attitude of the Founding Fathers as concerned foriegn powers. I think it would take care of a lot of current issues, including Iraq.



Naga, agreed.
I always liked George Washington.
"We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements."

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:31:02 PM   
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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:34:36 PM   
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Bush took over the office when the problems were already firmly entrenched. That hardly makes him stupid.


Bullshit, name one fucking thing that moron did to deal with Osama prior to 9/11.  He gave the Taliban millions, course you Bush lovers probably don't even know that or the fact that the Afghan bases are sited along the lines of the oil pipeline that was the root of much of this.

I want a President who after every foreseable disaster doesn't say "who could have imagined" it would happen, especially since  much of what has happened was common knowledge.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:35:41 PM   
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Hummm... America has lost the high moral ground...

This from a church which willfully ignored the problems of pedophillia in their ranks for the last 25 to 30 years...

Who gave tacit approval of the holocaust (turning their heads the other way, even though it's been proven that the Vatican was aware of the "final solution" as it was going on), sending 6,000,000 jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and political dissidents to their deaths.

Who was responsible for the Inquisition... a little operation that makes GITMO look like a summer camp for rich kids.

Who threatened Galilieo with torture, if he didn't recant the heresy of saying that the Earth was not the center of the universe... (Which they did not retract until Dec. 25, 1968, as Apollo 8 rounded the moon.)

Who burned Bruno at the stake for his crime of saying that there may be other worlds than ours out in space... (The current count, as of this writing, of extrasolar planets is about 450.)

Religion in general, and Roman Catholosicim in specific, has done more to hold our world back from the truth than any other institution in existence. It's tortured people, burned them at the stake, threatened the families of people who had greater knowledge, and stood aside as one of the greatest evils in living memory was committed, simply becaue it was convienint for them.

Yeah, the ABC's words really hurt ME, to be sure...


You seem to be assuming that the ABC is a Roman Catholic. He's not.


I go along with bipolarber here. I see the same hypocrisy too.

But hey, why such an attack all of a sudden on the American people? Why suddenly at the end of..... November..... Why of course, it's coming up for Advent, and the 'season of goodwill' when all the Anglicans on the 'moral high ground' are going to be going out and splashing the cash, getting the booze in, getting all stressed out and pissed off at each other for the fact that there's so much traffic, the supermarket's are packed, that there's long queues everywhere, that the in laws are coming round and that they have to spend to so money and make such an effort just to have a 'decent Christmas'.

The article I guess, coming so soon before Christmas is straightforward marketing and advertising, the Church needs you, it really needs you to go to Church this Christmas and sing all those carols and listen to the same stories but most of all, please don't forget the Church, especially when the collection trays are pased round, please give generously, very generously, because the Church really loves you, it's on your side and it's fighting so hard for human rights in the world on your behalf.

Forgive me if I sound a bit cynical here, but......

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:39:05 PM   
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(1) Morality is a religious trait, not a human one...edited

(2)If you want objective morality, you need to choose something higher than humanity or else it will be a constantly shifting playing field.


Morality most definitely is not a religious trait tho' it is true that religions concern themselves with moral issues.

Objective morality is basically meaningless.

I hope thats clear lol

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:40:56 PM   
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Naga, agreed.
I always liked George Washington.
"We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements."


Both Jefferson and Franklin said very similar things. It is just important to keep them in context of their time period. Quoting the FF out of context has been a habit as of late.We seem to be determined to rewrite our history in the past decade or so.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:46:06 PM   
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Bullshit, name one fucking thing that moron did to deal with Osama prior to 9/11.  He gave the Taliban millions, course you Bush lovers probably don't even know that or the fact that the Afghan bases are sited along the lines of the oil pipeline that was the root of much of this.


That nicely dances around my point that terrorism was a problem before Bush got into office.  And your allegations that Bush paid the Taliban millions is without proof. Feel free to provide some.

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I want a President who after every foreseable disaster doesn't say "who could have imagined" it would happen, especially since  much of what has happened was common knowledge.


Of course there is common knowledge, after the fact. And what is common knowledge is that Clinton monkeyed with our intelligence community to the point where it could not be effective in dealing with threats nor in warning the President about them. Clinton didn't want his golf games interupted.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:48:48 PM   
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Of course there is common knowledge, after the fact. And what is common knowledge is that Clinton monkeyed with our intelligence community to the point where it could not be effective in dealing with threats nor in warning the President about them. Clinton didn't want his golf games interupted.





And you shall provide those links, in furtherance of 'the truth', n'est ce pas?

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:51:44 PM   
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Fair warning:  If you continue to engage in this subject, this thread will become another one about Bush, which we've had more than enough of in the past decade.


You called it, CL. Smart man.

You really shouldn't be messing around with others' messages, though.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 3:57:57 PM   
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And you shall provide those links, in furtherance of 'the truth', n'est ce pas?



Please, James Risen won a Pulizter for his article in the New York Times on the subject   "Over a three-or-four-year period in the early-to-mid 1990s," reports Risen, "virtually an entire generation of CIA officers - the people who had won the Cold War - quit or retired. One CIA veteran compared the agency to an airline that had lost all of is senior pilots . . . "

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:01:38 PM   
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The guy prays to an invisible friend, and I'm supposed to take what he says seriously?


"I've got God's shoulder to cry on. And I cry a lot. I do a lot of crying in this job. I'll bet I've shed more tears than you can count, as president." --George W. Bush, as quoted by author Robert Draper in Dead Certain

"I believe that God has planted in every human heart the desire to live in freedom. And even when that desire is crushed by tyranny for decades, it will rise again."
--State of the Union Address, January 20, 2004
 
"I believe that God wants me to be president."
--According to Richard Land, as quoted in ""Understanding the President and his God
 
 
..........and i assume we're meant to take this guy seriously as well?

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:02:32 PM   
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You called it, CL. Smart man.


Actually, pretty dumb. There is nothing wrong with the subject and with a major election coming up, it makes sense to discuss policy since that policy will most likely be changing. We need all the discussion that we can get. It is impossible to have enough.

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You really shouldn't be messing around with others' messages, though.


Can't argue that; it looks like an attempt to cause contention, plain and simple.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:06:17 PM   
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..........and i assume we're meant to take this guy seriously as well?


Personally, I can't take any one seriously who is NOT religous. How can you take anyone seriously who can't see reality? The Founding Fathers certainly took God seriously. What I have a huge issue with is those who seek to rewrite our history in an attempt to make the Founding Fathers deists (for example). Now, I don't force my religion on anyone, but the idea that someone can not be taken seriously because they are religous is simply an ad hominem attack, nothing more.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:11:06 PM   
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Actually, pretty dumb.


CL and I have vigorously debated assorted topics over the threads, and he's decidely not dumb.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:14:11 PM   
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Soon after the soviet unions collapse would be nothing that Bill Clinton had a hand in, and I have not seen anything that attributes the CIA retirement levels to any action by Billy.  That quote way above is your Risten as yours is, and by god if I see it having anything to do with presidential shit from anywhere.
Point it out for me, I only read english as she is goodley spokene:http://intellit.muskingum.edu/alpha_folder/R_folder/risencia.html


Please yourself.  Apparently your reading comprehension is so far above the norms that you possess a davinci code of sorts.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:14:47 PM   
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CL and I have vigorously debated assorted topics over the threads, and he's decidely not dumb.


The statement was not intelligent and the following action was decidely not intelligent, so while the person might be intelligent, I am not too impressed with the actions I have seen so far.

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RE: Archbishop of Canterbury says U.S. has lost the hig... - 11/25/2007 4:17:18 PM   
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Soon after the soviet unions collapse would be nothing that Bill Clinton had a hand in, and I have not seen anything that attributes the CIA retirement levels to any action by Billy.  That quote way above is your Risten as yours is, and by god if I see it having anything to do with presidential shit from anywhere.
Point it out for me, I only read english as she is goodley spokene:http://intellit.muskingum.edu/alpha_folder/R_folder/risencia.html


Please yourself.  Apparently your reading comprehension is so far above the norms that you possess a davinci code of sorts.

Ron


My reading comprehension is quite good, but I honestly didn't understand what you were saying. Would you like to try again, please?



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