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Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/25/2007 6:33:57 PM   
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My male sub gets a lot of teasing and chastity, which we both thoroughly enjoy. OK, maybe I enjoy it just a tad more than he does.  

I also happen to be one of those dommes who thoroughly enjoys my sub having the occasional full-on, bed-breaking, ceiling-hitting orgasm. Unfortunately, he has difficulty combining the two activities. He comes just fine if I let him masturbate by himself. But if I spend a week, a couple of days--sometimes even just a few hours--teasing him, he's not able to have much of an orgasm. A good, hard fuck--which I also enjoy---usually is out of the question after he's been subjected to a period of  teasing and denial. He will usually dribble a bit with any kind of stimulation, but after a certain period of teasing and denial, the target on the ceiling remains well out of reach unless he gets no stimulation for a day or so. He says that the dribbles leave him satisfied.

But it's a little disappointing. Sometimes I want a dramatic result, not to say a nice fuck. I also worry that intense teasing may be creating a negative feedback loop that ultimately will make it difficult for him to orgasm at all in my presence.

Has anyone else experienced this? What, if anything, did you do about it? What helped, and what didn't? Feel free to PM if you prefer. Comments critical of the relationship dynamic you think I'm describing, suggestions that I bring another sub into the picture, and such like, will NOT be helpful. I am looking for ideas about specific things I can do with this individual in this relationship.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/25/2007 6:49:33 PM   
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for best results, a multi vitamin, with minerals in the morning, and at some point in the afternoon, lots of sugery snacks, and lots and lots of water. Lots of water=about 60 oz.
 
get him good and hard, however you like, and then run him about a bit- literally- make him walk a few blocks at a good pace, or do a few minutes on the stairmaster. Stiffen him up again, and make him run it off a few times- maybe three-four cycles.
 
the resulting force and volume will surprise you both.
 
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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/27/2007 12:02:18 AM   
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I like that--I'd noticed a similar effect from taking multivitamins and exercise, but I didn't know of a specific regimen. 

I'd add that chastity *can* have exactly the negative effect on ejaculation that you're describing from a psychological as well as a physiological basis.  For there's a dash of performance anxiety... because he feels he should be able to cum hard enough to push you into the ceiling, but he can't.  What I would suggest is this: have a day where you make him cum either through sex or masturbation as much as possible.  Avoid chafing (tragic personal experience, there) because you want him functional in a couple days.  If he can go 7 times, make it 7.  If he can only cum 3 times, make it three. 2 orgasms are not enough, 3 is the min. I'd say.  Then instead of a day of 'chastity' give him a day of 'recharging.'  Make it clear that you expect him to have a normal sex drive at the end of day 2, but not an exceptional one...  and that you're horny enough that you can't wait any longer.  That it's not about him cumming, you just can't wait that long to have his dick in your pussy.  Then 'spontaneously' decide you absolutely must feel his cum inside you.  Not the 'jet', the liquid itself.

Wash, rinse, repeat.  Pavlov his ass; make 'feeling his cum inside you' exciting for him, and a reachable goal, even after a day--then two days, then three, but not much longer than that IMO--of no sex.  Eventually, he'll associate those abstinent periods with a monster orgasm at the end of it, followed by a period of milking him dry.  Then after about a month and a half of this, drop the milking portion of the program--unless you decide you enjoy it--and go straight for the abstinence. 

After repeated and prolonged abstinence, there are negative changes in the male physiology--the only credible studies I could find relate to prostate cancer, but there's a wealth of anecdotal evidence that suggests that sex drive, overall health, and mental acuity all suffer if you keep him waiting too long, no matter how explosive it comes when you finally relent.  Especially as he gets older.   So you might want to keep that under consideration when doing this kind of play.  Then again, do what feels right; everybody's different.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/27/2007 12:37:20 PM   
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See, now you make it look like a science experiment, so NOW the whole tease/denial thing is more interesting to me.  Dangit.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/27/2007 10:44:24 PM   
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I have and I'm guessing it's from the chastity as they tend to start to rely on it which makes sex with orgasm hard for them.  I would make it known to him that's it ok and expected and do all the vitamin stuff, however I really believe it's more of a psychological issue personally.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/27/2007 10:58:43 PM   
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AS far as I know, neither of my boys have had any sort of adverse effect from chastity and teasing/denial since i have had them. Neither are in any sort of devices, but after having waited a bit (for Fox its never been more than a few days, Angel has gone 4 weeks without stimulation) I have noticed that they are capable of multiple orgasms in a shorter period of time. The first comes quickly, sometimes, but the second tends to be after quite a while of stimulation (different stimuli for each boy) and is much more powerful. I do tend to couple any sort of sexual outlet for them with either a lot of dirty talk, or a good deal of other foreplay. Positive associations with good orgasms definately help.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 11/30/2007 8:23:10 PM   
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Thanks, all, for the helpful suggestions and comments. I'm going to use all of them in one way or another.

Here's another one. I'll have him go without for a couple or three days, which is about what he'd do if left to his own devices. Maybe I'll add an extra day for good measure. At the appointed time and without the preliminaries that right now seem to be messing things up, I'll tie him up good and tight, and then stimulate him with whichever part of me feels like playing. I'll have him give me a LOT of feedback--faster, slower, more, higher, don't-stop-I'm-about-to-come, etc. And I'll let him come, every time. This regimen might last for weeks--whatever it takes to get him back into the habit of coming when I want him to. Once he's able to come hard at the appropriate times, I'll occasionally use his feedback to ruin his orgasm, as discussed in another recent thread. Intermittent reward works well, right?

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/1/2007 4:58:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

I have and I'm guessing it's from the chastity as they tend to start to rely on it which makes sex with orgasm hard for them.  I would make it known to him that's it ok and expected and do all the vitamin stuff, however I really believe it's more of a psychological issue personally.


Many male subs won't talk about it, but chastity conditioning over an extended period of time can seriously affect their ability to ejaculate at will.  Ditto for conditioning where a sub is not allowed to ejaculate without permission.  In the latter situation, the sub teaches his body to shut down it's natural response when he'd normally ejaculate.  When finally given permission, he can't exactly turn his body's natural response back on like flipping a light switch.  Eventually this leads to problems for him ejaculating with his Mistress or in extreme cases, ejaculating at all.
 
The problems these kinds of ejaculatory control games can cause are serious and not easy to undo.  They may have a combination of physical, psychological and emotional elements to them in various degrees depending on the type of conditioning the sub has experienced.  It takes a lot of patience to undo the effects of this kind of conditioning.  I'd caution the OP and others to consider carefully what they're doing and the effects their actions might have on their sub before they they go too far with what  they may have planned.
 
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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/1/2007 7:34:40 PM   
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Pixel is very right about this. I've done the total orgasm control thing before, and while it was pretty exciting for a while I did get to the point where actually ejaculating was difficult and eventually even becoming aroused was next to impossible. No chastity devie involved either.

I think basically what happened was my body started to figure out that getting excited would be unpleasant and killed the drive before anything started to happen. It took about a month of being "free" before I was back to normal, and this was from a pretty tame relationship. It's most definitely something to be careful with.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/1/2007 7:38:57 PM   
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Cdn and ps, I agree with both of you although I didn't put that much detail in my post I have experienced the same with a male sub and that is why I won't do it except for short duration and infrequent.  I'm sorry when I said psychological I mean emotional from the effects of the chastity, not pyschological problems or something negative, I'm not sure that was clear.


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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/1/2007 9:58:31 PM   
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I didn't take it as negative at all, I just wanted to back it up with some personal experience 

There are a lot of people that would come in and say it's a myth that a guy could end up having trouble with the plumbing as a result of this kind of play. Kinda hard to make that argument with someone who has gone through it.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/2/2007 8:58:23 AM   
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Long-term chastity, with or without a device, seems more and more like one of those things that should remain a fantasy. That is, unless you want asexual subs--which most assuredly doesn't apply to me. The more I think about it, the more I rather like the idea of letting him ejaculate a lot, so that he is used to it. That way, when I make him go without, he'll see it as that much more of a ... challenge, shall we say.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/2/2007 12:27:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CdnExplorer

I didn't take it as negative at all, I just wanted to back it up with some personal experience 

There are a lot of people that would come in and say it's a myth that a guy could end up having trouble with the plumbing as a result of this kind of play. Kinda hard to make that argument with someone who has gone through it.



CdnExplorer and laurell3,
Thank you both for speaking up following my post to validate what I'd said.  I have personally been affected by this kind of conditioning myself and am still working on undoing it's effects on me.  I'm fortunate to have a new Mistress who is patiently working with me to overcome the effects of the previous conditioning. 
 
It's truly not an easy thing to do after experiencing years of conditioning where I either had to wait for permission to ejaculate with my former Mistress or would be locked up for the night when it wasn't given.  Neither the body, nor the mind are equipped to handle those kinds of mixed signals for an extended period of time and still function normally. 
 
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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/2/2007 12:53:31 PM   
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Pixel, my email isn't working--dopey interface!--and so I have to ask publicly: What is working for you to undo the effects of that conditioning? Sorry to have to ask in public, but I can neither receive nor send email; and I'll understand if you prefer not to respond.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/2/2007 1:01:32 PM   
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To me, chastity is all about the mind fuck, not whether or how I actually climax. Giving that control to another, completely, is what turns me on. As is chastity being used as a tool to humiliate me. I love being made to beg, being made to give a woman as many orgasms as she wants while she teases me about how much pleasure she's taking while denying me. I love being brought to the edge over and over, never knowing if I will be granted release, not knowing how I may or may not be granted that release, not knowing if she'll ruin my orgasm by taking away stimulation right as I'm about to ejaculate or if she'll grab the base of my cock right as I start to climax, waiting until my spams have stopped to let the cum dribble out, not knowing if she'll wait for me to get soft and use a vibrator to swiftly and almost painful extract my orgasm, not knowing if she'll simply walk away leaving me bound and frustrated, or if she'll simply lock me back up. *ahem*

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/3/2007 7:54:58 AM   
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Pixel, my email isn't working--dopey interface!--and so I have to ask publicly: What is working for you to undo the effects of that conditioning? Sorry to have to ask in public, but I can neither receive nor send email; and I'll understand if you prefer not to respond.


I suspect the reason your email (CM Messaging) isn't working is that you don't appear to have a profile on the other side.  When I clicked on your screen name next to your post, CM couldn't find it.  You may only have a forum profile that allows you to read and post on this side of CM.
 
The question you ask is not a simple one to answer and applies specifically to me along with the problems I've had from the conditioning.  What we've been doing wouldn't necessarily apply to all others as they may have been affected differently.  That said, I'll try to say more about the approach that we've taken toward helping me with the issue and trying to overcome it.
 
Let me first say that Mistress lives several hours away, often works 6 days/week, and that I am a father who now has extended visitation with my 2 unmentionables essentially every other weekend.  Prior to October, I had the 2 of them for several nights usually during the early part of each week from Sunday forward.  That combination of circumstances made it difficult for us to coordinate schedules to see each other, often leading to something more like a very long distance relationship where we couldn't get together for very often with extended periods of time in-between; sometimes as long as 6 weeks or so.  An increased freqency of our being able to see each other would certainly make things easier both on our relationship and on helping me with this problem.  We're working toward arranging things so we'll be able to see each other at least twice a month, but it's still not like it is for D/s couples who are local to each other who can see each other several times/week or are living together 24/7.
 
That being said, Mistress encourages me to masturbate or ejaculate any time I feel the urge or need.  I'm able to stay erect for long periods of time with the normal increases and decreases in hardness that men will have as the length and intensity of play varies as time passes.  Wearing a an o-ring is something we've found that helps maintain the consistency of the firmness of my erection and increases my sensitivity (I'll be 50 this month, so it's not like I'm 17 anymore either).  I should further mention that I can ejaculate without any problems while masturbating.  My problem is primarily related to intercourse, where I was conditioned to wait for my former Mistress' permission before I was allowed to ejaculate. 
 
Because of that conditioning, my mind eventuall began to immediately put all thoughts of ejaculating "on hold" or suppress the urge.  Over the course of many years I unconsciously taught my body, particularly my penis, to "numb out" when intercourse was initiated.  I started trying to focus on enjoying the pleasures of being inside my Mistress from the start, which greatly has enhanced the experience for me.  It's now about enjoying the process and not focusing on any end goal (ejaculating). 
 
So where the problem now begins for me is when I feel the urge to ejaculate.  There's still the conditioned response to wait for permission, even though I know I implicitly have it from her.  This is where she can help by repeating to me that I have her permission to cum or by saying things she knows especially turns me on and may push me over the edge.
 
More than anything though, this is where I need to do the work myself inside my mind to undo the conditioning I've undergone; to give myself the permission I need to enjoy what I'm experiencing and I know my Mistress wants me to have.  It's when I need to tell myself that it's okay for me to cum and continue to enjoy the experience to it's fullest.  For me, that's the difficult part that I'm still working on.  In part, I think there's a performance anxiety associated with it that ejaculating inside her represents for me along with violating the conditioning I experienced that taught me it wasn't okay for me to ejaculate until I was positive my Mistress was totally satisfied.  It taught me more than anything over time that my pleasure wasn't really important. 
 
So when I feel the sensation that tells me "I can" or "could", that's when I need to immediately tell myself inside my head (the big one) that "it's okay" and give myself permission to go ahead and let myself release.  Very often I seem to run out of steam before I can do that as that's when my mind seems to still be conditioned to automatically cause my penis to go numb on me or otherwise reduce it's sensitvity.  That's when I need to revert back to the just enjoying the experience of being inside my Mistress and take the focus off of ejaculating while inside her instead of trying to force it to happen.  Trying to stay in that mode of thought when the urge strikes is where I think succuss will ultimately be achieved without triggering whatever it is that causes my penis to begin to numb out when the sensations which tell me I can or could ejaculate begin to appear.  I don't know the answer to solving this part of the equation for certain.  I can only tell you that it's something which often frustrates me and we're still working on solving it through experimentation.  Were we together more frequently, which is something I don't have control over, I believe we'd likely have figured it out and because of having more practice, be there by now.  Each time we spend time together, we seem to get closer to success, leading me to believe we'll overcome the problem together in time.
 
I should add, one thing which I think particularly helps and has contributed greatly toward making the progress I've made is the emotional connection between us.  Without it, I don't think I'd have come as far as I have.  I don't think it's something one can resolve through casual play with a partner where there isn't a strong connection and some kind of basic commitment or intent to work toward a more solid commitment.
 
I hope you and the others who read this board find this post helpful as it's very personal and not something that many men would publicly post about problems they're having of this nature.  But I also felt it was something important to share if it might help even 1 sub out there who has been conditioned as I was or cause a Domme to decide against playing with this type of conditioning with her sub as a result of the knowledge gained from how it could affect him in the long term.
 
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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/3/2007 4:01:27 PM   
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Thanks, Pixel. Actually, a more or less offhand comment you made somewhere else on these boards a couple of months ago, is what alerted me to the probable source of my sub's trouble when I noticed it recently. So you'd already helped even before you posted this. This post, with its specificity, is even more helpful.

Thank you again, and best to you and your Mistress.

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/4/2007 10:04:25 PM   
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You're very welcome Reigna.  I'm glad I could be of further assistance.
 
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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/11/2007 5:05:26 PM   
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please pardon this long multi faced prismatic view of my experiences in chastity.

it takes along time to learn how to transcend these strong urges in your body. the hardest for me personally was learning how to stay fully submissive and devoted after orgasm, to the point of actually 'recycling', eating my own ejaculate. sounds hot before you cum, can be quite a challenge.

all this discussion of chastity and asexuality just confuses me.
chastity increases the libido. there is a point where it becomes a dull ache, but this is not simple. all these facets of us are quite organic and malleable and do not conform to typical goal oriented quick thinking. the body moves slowly, not at the speed of your will in these areas. (eg, when you go on a diet, how long does it take for the body to begin showing changes?)
it is entirely based on conditioning, i suppose.

i have been into chastity and practicing it pretty regularly since 1999. i have read so much chastity mythology online. some people actually think if you lock it up it is going to go away. phew. the opposite, try all you can think of! and with a Mistress constantly amping up your desire, you end up wrapped around Her finger, in this heady intoxicating lust spell that lasts for weeks. i suppose it should be stated that the more tease energy you get, the more energy you have and the more effective chastity and or orgasm denial are. without the tease, without that edge, it seems empty.

when i hear of Dommes saying "why would I want to lock it up? I am not asexual," i can only think, whoa. who says a slave locked in chastity can't be unlocked, double condomed to reduce sensation, and used as voracious, virile exciting lover, until Mistress is pleased, and then locked back up without orgasm. how does that deny the chastity dynamic? why is it supposed to be asexual? we take on the guises of a sexually repressed past (Victorian era, which gave us the male chastity device, the 1950s etc) as a way of eroticizing our pain, of a sexually negative society. but this is the opposite of who we are. i mean, you are not reading collarme because you have no interest in sex, right?

and let me say this, please, male masturbation is not a negative thing. we are not prudes, this isn't the prohibition, we need to transcend these attitudes. masturbation is healthy!!! sex is on the male mind like more often than you think about food. sex positive attitude is much more enriching. this is a game we engage in, acting as though it is bad, to deny it. the reason you deny your male is to focus his energy pin point on you. for him it has this major spiritual benefit, enriching his energy and his daily life, once he learns to deal with the energy and the feelings, which are strange and unnameable at first. done properly over time, with the proper spiritual elements, this can be a transformative process.

the hardest thing for me was learning to see beyond urges and hormones. how to deal with myself after i was totally teased, and dropped, and left alone to work. how to take that energy in a positive way into my work, into my life without going through mood swings or expressing my frustration, taking it out on people. i had to learn to control this monster inside of me. that really has helped me grow. eventually the frustration becomes intoxicating. exercises and massage really help with the frustration. giving into his need to orgasm doesn't.

i started out in this as a regular guy. if i had sex like 3 times in a row i could i last alot longer, that was about it. with chastity training, i have learned how to make love for up to an hour without losing my erection and not orgasming. i have as of this fall experienced not ejaculating orgasms. i never even knew that was possible until i read a bunch of tantric stuff. there are long cultural histories of people actually using their sex energy even to heal themselves, in Taoism, and Tibetan Buddhism. when i first experienced it i had that 'whoops i messed up and went over the edge and lost it' feeling, but no fluid releases of any kind, but a shot of pure energy going straight up into me. i felt so energized and so strong, liek i could lift a building.

as a boy who has been subjected to much tease and denial and chastity training (i once belonged to a Mistress whose fetish was perpetual blue balls, achieved through at least 3 edgings daily, usually my hand directed by her, sometimes left with no device on, honor chastity, and i had to 'masturcise' to the edge multiple times daily, sometimes in conjunction with being locked up to 3 weeks straight in a chastity device, to being sexually teased with every fetish i have, over time) i have learned many things about how my body works and my hormones and my mind, but only through thorough training and many disappointments.

there are many challenges. one is mental - the expectation of performance is way greater when you have been locked up. the pressure that makes some men impotent times 100. and the first orgasm is a relief, but does not rock. also, you have been trying to overcome these sensations, to not loose it, so you have been fighting orgasming for a long time, and maybe it is possible for a sub to become 'orgasm retentive' and not actually want to give this energy up, or not knowing how to finally let go once allowed.

another is physical. do you use a device? that can mean the penis can take up to 36 hours to be normal again, until well trained. there are many different phases of denial, extended denial and chastity. i would say its iffy the first week, and Women who are giving their men orgasms that frequently need to study their men's responses closer. the chastity over drive really sets in between 10 days and 14 days, the third week was always insane, and i was able to do things i couldn't do other times. some were related to submission, others were physical. though i am sure the submissive stuff is partially brain chemicals of some sort. (it took me years to be able to see straight over those surges and rushes, and to be able to stay full submissive AFTER orgasm). i suppose the edgings and masturcising have trained me how to override certain sensations, and be able to last for the longest i can possibly last. after that kind of training, i was then trained as in what Mistress liked to call "Rocco" sex, based on the popular Italian porn star. i was actually trained to last for a half hour of straight steady aggressive animal sex, rock hard, many positions, totally doing Her, could last up to an hour, i never felt like stopping, like an energizer bunny, but Mistress would stop me when She was finished. my body would get used to this treatment and not cumming. when i finally was ordered release, it was never the big thump, it took like 2 or 3 orgasms to get back straight. plumbing gets closed up, like a summer cottage in the winter. what hasn't been moving for a few weeks takes some time to get back to normal.

the slow physiological adjustments of the body are often lost in our fast paced results based culture. we need to respect nature and the subtle natures of chastity training...

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RE: Teasing and chastity: The result - 12/11/2007 5:09:52 PM   
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If you do this to someone too long,they sublimate thier sex drive to cope with with tension.

Which can lead to sexual dysfunction. Fun for a power trip-lousy if you want the guy to have sex with you.

(in reply to Reigna)
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