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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:24:50 AM   
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Nobody is saying that they aren't at all active. Jerry Springer is able to get a couple of geeks to dress up in robes whenever he needs them.

And nobody is saying that there aren't new groups taking their place.

But the claim that the Klan itself is still powerfully active in the sense that there are are hundreds of citizens in every community openly proclaiming KKK membership and conducting public lynchings, as was the practice in the past, is a figment of Thompson's imagination, just like his cowardly lie that I and other veterans here have never served in the military. 


alumbrado...you ARE delirious if you really believe that crap you spew!  The KKK has never been ‘hundreds of citizens in every community openly proclaiming KKK membership and conducting public lynchings…”  It is generally a few pompus, small men who hide in pillowcases and conduct such ‘manly acts’ as throwing bricks through windows in the dark, burning crosses in the dead of night, and spewing sanguinary filth and bigotry at anybody who will listen.
 
You are mistaken if you think they are not alive and well, as you yourself are.
 
As to Thompson, he is no coward here and regularly and steadfastly refuses to let such filth go on unchallenged.  While I’ve seen his apologetic posts when he gets something wrong…by and large he seldom has the need to do so.
 
Beverly

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:30:48 AM   
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I am intolerant of any views that advance verbal and physical harm and violence towards others - guess that makes Me a "bigot". *rolls eyes*


There are less obvious ways to  promote violence... such as deflecting attention away from real problems with the imaginary bogeyman of the current Klan being undiminished since the days of overt lynchings, or  'clever' blame-the-victim race baiting.

The current pathetic crop of Jerry Springer guests in Klan costumes are no longer the main problem.

People who condone the covert racism that has taken the place of the overt Klan are a big part of the problem. 

The next time someone thinks it is OK to use violence against someone they look down on, they are more likely to be influenced by the former. 

And I'm going to continue to call BS on the 'clever' expresions of covert racism when they appear here.


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As for helping Thompson or whatever - I'll be honest. I didn't read the whole thread, and My eye just instantly caught the quips on military vets. No masquerading here - it's just tiring and disappointing to see vets pooing on each other. That's all.


Sorry if you got splashed. My intention was to keep the heat on his deliberate mistatements.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:31:37 AM   
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And a noose can be a good thing too!
I still enjoy watching that video of Saddam Hussein dropping into eternity!
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:35:12 AM   
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Canada has nationwide laws prohibiting hate crimes. I see no reason we don't. There is a fine but definite line between promoting hatred and expressing free speech. Similar to the line that separates free speech from 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' to use Oliver Wendell Holnes' line.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:35:38 AM   
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:40:16 AM   
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alumbrado...you ARE delirious if you really believe that crap you spew!  The KKK has never been ‘hundreds of citizens in every community openly proclaiming KKK membership and conducting public lynchings…”



"In 1915, a second group was founded in Atlanta, Georgia using the same name. Inspired by power of the modern mass media, including sensational newspaper and film, it attracted recruits, mostly in cities, because of anxieties and tensions aroused over the massive social changes of rapid urbanization, migration of rural whites and African Americans to cities, as well as massive immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century by mostly rural peoples from Southern and Eastern Europe, and the postwar climate of returning veterans after WWI. These different groups met in the cities, and confronted each other in competition for jobs, housing and social place.[1]
The movement of the 1910s and 1920s gained the most membership, but also diminished sharply in power by the late 1920s. The second KKK was a formal fraternal organization, with a national and state structure, that paid thousands of men to organize local chapters all over the country. At its peak in the early 1920s, the organization was active in numerous cities of the Midwest and far west as well as the South, such as Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, Portland, Denver, Atlanta, Memphis and Knoxville, and Dallas.[2]
Estimates varied as to membership, from 2-5 million men.[3] Higher estimates of 4-5 million represented about 15% of the nation's eligible population.[4]Some local groups took part in lynchings and other violent activities. Its popularity fell rapidly in the late 1920s. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan



http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/kkk_lynching1.jpg
"Historians in recent years have obtained membership rosters of some local units and matched the names against city directory and local records to create statistical profiles of the membership. Big city newspapers were unanimously hostile and often ridiculed the Klansmen as ignorant farmers. Detailed analysis from Indiana shows the stereotype was false:
Indiana's Klansmen represented a wide cross section of society: they were not disproportionately urban or rural, nor were they significantly more or less likely than other members of society to be from the working class, middle class, or professional ranks. Klansmen were Protestants, of course, but they cannot be described exclusively or even predominately as fundamentalists. In reality, their religious affiliations mirrored the whole of white Protestant society, including those who did not belong to any church.

The Klan was successful in recruiting throughout the country and in Canada, but the membership turned over rapidly, and since the Klan was a secret society, it is difficult to determine accurate membership numbers.

This Klan was operated as a profit-making venture by its leaders, and participated in the boom in fraternal organizations at the time. Organizers signed up hundreds of new members, who paid initiation fees and bought KKK costumes. The organizer kept half the money and sent the rest to state or national officials. When the organizer was done with an area, he organized a huge rally, often with burning crosses and perhaps a ceremonial presentation of a Bible to a local Protestant minister. "


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The fact that you are willing to lie about something doesn't make it true.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:55:22 AM   
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alumbrado...you ARE delirious if you really believe that crap you spew!  The KKK has never been ‘hundreds of citizens in every community openly proclaiming KKK membership and conducting public lynchings…”



The fact that you are willing to lie about something doesn't make it true. 


Obviously you have never been taught how to read effectively, or how to debate politely.  I am not lying anymore than EVERY community experiences hundreds of KKK members openly proclaiming their membership or EVERY community conducting public lynchings.  Learn to read, boy. 
 
I'm done with you.  This is an example of how people like you and the udderly one make visiting Off Topic Discussions so ugly.
 
Beverly

eddited to add:  And here we go again with the 'you're a liar' crap!   <sigh>


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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 9:59:13 AM   
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 10:02:47 AM   
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If 'that crap you spew' is your idea of debating politely, you can keep it along with the rest of your bag of tricks.

You said :

The KKK has never been ‘hundreds of citizens in every community openly proclaiming KKK membership and conducting public lynchings…”...

The 'never' part of that statement is what made it a lie, and I've proven it to be so.

Feel free to run away after ridiculing the truth in your promotion of myths about the Klan.


As to Thompson, he is no coward here and regularly and steadfastly refuses to let such filth go on unchallenged.  While I’ve seen his apologetic posts when he gets something wrong…by and large he seldom has the need to do so. 

More untruths.. feel free to join him in running away from his fraudulent claim that I never served in the military.


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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 10:33:29 AM   
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 10:35:02 AM   
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Cheaper than Wal-Mart... How in the fuck do they do that?

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you go to bed in one of them nightrobes, your slave will get the idea that it ain't gonna be her best night, by god.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 12:50:33 PM   
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Now to return to Y/your regularly scheduled Op; it would take a Constitutional Amenment to make flag burning a federal crime.  Why should noose hanging enjoy less protection?  Because hatred of America or its policies is somehow acceptable, but hatred of races and religions is not?  To be free don't we need to continue to legalise outrageous speech and activity that arouses great hatred?  Is it really the same as "shouting fire in a crowded theater"?
 
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 12:53:55 PM   
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The 'shouting fire' example depends heavily on whether or not there is really a fire.  And sometimes there really is a threat behind symbols.

The trick would seem to be how to determine which noose is the bad noose....

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 12:55:09 PM   
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I find your impromptu speech outrageous, saying words hurt when it is only sticks and stones.  It should be outlawed.  You see the comparison, I think, mssupremejustice.  Oh, my light is on. Thanks.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 1:33:24 PM   
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More BS from ThompsonX... Metzger was not sent to prison for lynching, and the KKK of the first half of the 20th century does not exist in any meaningful fashion today. 
Totally fabricated, much like the 'cocaine is not addictive' quote from his imaginary PDR, and his claims about military service of others.

Alumbrado:
Once again you appear to have ensconced your head in a position from which it cannot receive the body's primary source of vitamin D.
It was the KKK that the lynching reference was to and not Mr. Metzler.
As I mentioned to "slaveboyforyou" your contention that the KKK does not really exist anymore was the same thing the founder of the KKK told congress in 1871.  It was not true then and it is not true now.
The PDR is not imaginary except to you. 
As to my statements as to the military service of others.  I will restate unequivocally that "Thadius" never served in the USMC.  I base that on his contention that he had a lateral transfer from the Navy to the Marine Corps without going to Marine Corps boot camp.  That is not possible.  If you would care to verify that simply call your local Marine Corps recruiter.
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Don't hurt yourself backpedalling so fast.
No back pedaling going on here.

You clearly said that Metzger was in jail for a lynching. When proven to have promoted an untruth, changing your story doesn't make you honest.
The post you are referencing starts out speaking of the KKK and then references Metzger and Duke.  Then continues speaking of the KKK still lynching people.  I am sorry your comprehension skills cannot follow the sentence structure.  When I post a second time to explain my meaning to you...you call me a liar.  It strikes me that you are seeking an argument and not a discussion.

You also claim to have a copy of the PDR with no page numbers, which contains the quote 'Cocaine is not addictive"  That PDR is imaginary.
In the thread that you are referencing it was brought out not only the page number but also the phone number and the address of the company which manufactures the cocaine so that you could contact them personally.  Again you seem intent on an argument and not a discussion. 

And you have claimed that I among other veterans here, have never served in the military,
Perhaps a link to said statement would be in order.

with no more proof of that than your other phony assertions. When called on it, you ran away, as usual.
I am right her right now...so speak up.


That is a not only a lie, it is a cowardly one, and making it up shows you as a lying coward.
Now we have degenerated to name calling....oh my.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 1:41:49 PM   
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Cheaper than Wal-Mart... How in the fuck do they do that?

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Yeah, sheets cost a lot more than eleven bucks!
I wonder, do those sheets come "pre-stained?"

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 2:24:56 PM   
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And you have claimed that I among other veterans here, have never served in the military,
Perhaps a link to said statement would be in order.


No backpedalling from you at all, at all... 


You say you are here now, and aren't running away from your claim that I never served in the military.

Well, I am here now, calling you on it, and the best you can do is to suddenly develop a conveniently faulty memory to avoid providing proof?

If you can live with that sense of 'honor' go for it.


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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 3:21:52 PM   
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And you have claimed that I among other veterans here, have never served in the military,
Perhaps a link to said statement would be in order.


No backpedalling from you at all, at all... 


You say you are here now, and aren't running away from your claim that I never served in the military.

Well, I am here now, calling you on it, and the best you can do is to suddenly develop a conveniently faulty memory to avoid providing proof?

If you can live with that sense of 'honor' go for it.


Alumbrado:
You claim I said something.  Post it and show the forum.  If you cannot post it that would necessarily indicate that you are mistaken.
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 3:25:04 PM   
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If I cannot post it, that would neccesarily indicate that there is a 50 post limit on searches, and you ran away from your claim for more than 50 posts, to avoid providing any proof.

Being succesful at dishonesty doesn't make you honest. 


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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 3:25:35 PM   
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Thompy, good luck with that... your efforts are laudable.

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