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FangsNfeet -> RE: This doesn't look good (11/27/2007 8:48:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira So, if someone can disprove it; please do. I'll call Bull Shit on a few reasons. It's easy to point out conspiricy theroies long after the facts. Great, so every winner who ended up with cash and political influence was really the bad guy? I guess Hitler didn't see the FDR Empire comming after him. When it came down to Franklin or Adolf, which side would you really want to be on? Why would this film just focus on those who came out on top after tragidy? It's not like the loosers were innocent pawns that weren't pulling strings. Instead of Good versus Evil, it's turn into a who is the badest contest. No matter how you look at it, some of these wars, battles, attacks, etc... where inevitable. One example is WWII. With or without Japan, Germany would have eventually made an attack on the USA. It was just a matter of time. I don't see the need of having to piss off Japan so we can be attacked by them. I'm not debating that there is profit/spoils of war with the aftermath. I'm only calling BS that it was all planned and about the money.

thompsonx -> RE: This doesn't look good (11/27/2007 9:26:58 PM)
It's always about the money because money equals power. thompson

FangsNfeet -> RE: This doesn't look good (11/28/2007 7:18:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It's always about the money because money equals power. thompson So do you believe in the Chaos Theory for people to prosper? http://www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=35&qid=147 After all, Zeitgeist seems to suggest very firmly in it's video that we need Chaos to obtain Money and Power.

charmdpetKeira -> RE: This doesn't look good (11/28/2007 8:27:24 PM)
Most of what I am going to say here is meant more as questions then flat out statements. In other words; I believe in a system of check and balance. If I am wrong I wish to know, but do not intend to change my prospective without good reason. quote: As a left wing commie pinko fag loving socialist this film is a crock of shit. I have no doubt Bush/Cheney knew ahead of time Bin Laudin was going to strike due to inside knowledge (daddy does after all deal with the Bin Laudin family) and probably cancelled some investigations to prevent its uncovering. I cannot believe they knew how or when he was going to strike, in their position you wouldn't want to know that much. They needed 9/11 ala PNAC's "pearl harbor type event" but the less they knew the better. Isn’t this like saying “I know my friend is going to steal a tv from the store we work at, but since I don’t know when or how I’m completely innocent”? Cheney is in the list of his family bloodline. quote: Anyone who thinks that any part of the actual 9/11 attacks was "faked" either by missles, planted explosives or anything other than a military strike by by Al Queda bomber pilots is a nutjob. Same goes for the supposed "standdown" of the air defenses. Too risky, too many people would have had to have been involved to ever keep it a secret. Besides, there was no need, step back and let Al Queda strike, ZERO risk of backlash. Name calling is not necessary. An example of what I don’t understand about the idea we have been lead to believe can be given by saying “If I am having a dispute with my neighbor and disagree with someone else; it seems absolutely foolish to go to the third party, do something that I know is going to completely piss them off, knowing full well from experience, they will soon join in the fight against me.” It would be similar to my saying, “Oh hell, I may win here, I’d better go get my opposition some reinforcements.” quote: Imagine if a plot by the military/Bush/martians was uncovered to pull off 9/11. What do you think would happen to those people? Risk alone is rarely a deterrent from taking chance. Especially when those involved believe they are above the law. quote: I can't stand Republican's on many levels but most,while slightly misguided in my opinion, love America, love freedom, and would pull the lever frying anyone involved. Perhaps we have forgotten; America is not just a piece of land, nor a group of people; it is the ideals; all “men” are created equal and freedom of choice, which we have yet to accomplish. I think my first real wake up call to the hypocrisy of what I was being told to what was actually happening, was when the seatbelt law started to take effect. It was then, with license plates stating “live free or die” blaring in my face, that I realized I was not even free to die if I did not feel I was living free, unless it was under their terms. quote: Yeah, Bush's grandfather was a banker for Hitler and IBM helped Hitler kill the jews more efficiently, there was even a coup against Roosevelt, (all true by the way) One can dredge up all sorts of connections about past politics because it was all inbred east coast elites. It might be wise to ask, from where. quote: Don't forget, Teddy Roosevelt was related to Franklin Roosevelt, two very differnt men from very different parties. Both also in the list. quote: Connections do not equate to conspiracy. True. Is the term “guilt by association” unjust? Sincerely, k

Alumbrado -> RE: This doesn't look good (11/28/2007 9:48:11 PM)
It is unproven... How do you define 'just'?

thompsonx -> RE: This doesn't look good (11/29/2007 6:14:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It's always about the money because money equals power. thompson So do you believe in the Chaos Theory for people to prosper? http://www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=35&qid=147 After all, Zeitgeist seems to suggest very firmly in it's video that we need Chaos to obtain Money and Power. FangsNfeet: I suppose it may be the perspective from which you view the film. From my perspective I see those seeking power creating chaos in order to further their goals,not vice versa. Your question makes the disconnect that prosperity and "money=power are the same thing. Being prosperous and using money to bludgeon people are two different concepts. thompson

MasterDragas -> RE: This doesn't look good (12/2/2007 3:02:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It's always about the money because money equals power. thompson So do you believe in the Chaos Theory for people to prosper? http://www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=35&qid=147 After all, Zeitgeist seems to suggest very firmly in it's video that we need Chaos to obtain Money and Power. FangsNfeet: I suppose it may be the perspective from which you view the film. From my perspective I see those seeking power creating chaos in order to further their goals,not vice versa. Your question makes the disconnect that prosperity and "money=power are the same thing. Being prosperous and using money to bludgeon people are two different concepts. thompson Money isn't the only source of power being shown in the film. These people have power through intelligence, connections and networking, and from that military power and the power of information manipulation. I don't think that all those that seek power create chaos in order gain power or more of it but instead act as oppertunists and take ahold of the situation to their advantage. As it's been said, its not the man that makes him great but oppertunity to become great and the bravery to grasp the oppertunity. These people tend to be selfish and only care about their family and friends because they are what ultimately make them happy, and because a majority of their family and friends do not disapprove of their actions but instead support them, they feel no guilt for their actions or the consequences it might have on others.

needsOwner -> RE: This doesn't look good (8/2/2008 4:14:13 PM)
i watched it today, and no matter what anyones belief or ideas i think everyone should watch this. no one can argue what is presented in a majority or part 2 is history, not statements- but fact.

DomKen -> RE: This doesn't look good (8/2/2008 5:02:08 PM)
I'm going to respond to a bunch of points but quoting it all would be pointless. As to the family trees showing all kinds of relationships between people supposedly connected by some elaborate conspiracy, how many first cousins do you have? Do you keep in touch with all of them. Now back up a generation at a time. Do you even know any of your second or third cousins? Now go look at these supposed family ties what are Cheney and GWB? I couldn't find a link through all the stuff about Obama being related to both but based on what I could find I'm guessing they're related as about 8th or 9th cousins which is likely true for hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. Then there is the argument that if these bluebloods weren't keeping track and only marrying into other power families how would they know. Which is answered by the simple fact of modern research into geneaology. The planes did hit the WTC towers. Beyond direct eyewitness and video accounts we also have the incontrovertible evidence as laid out in the Popular Mechanics article. As to why did OBL do it? Because he thought we'd do exactly what we have done. By acting like imperialists and trampling all over the people of the mid east we have made OBL a hero on the arab street and set back our relations with the region by decades. We still have not dealt with the problem of the unpopular royal family of Saudi Arabia. Probably the only thing keeping an al Qaeda led coup from happening is the nearby presence of 100,000 combat troops. Sooner or later though OBL or his successors will make a try for the throne and we best be prepared for it to succeed or to find a way to oust a regime that holds Mecca without setting off a wave of terror attacks of unprecedented dimensions If Bush etc. had actually been part of a conspiracy to allow the attacks or to commit the attacks themselves,.somebody somewhere would have been a mnor figure unaware of the entire plot and would have come forward with the crucial lynchpin to proive the whole thing once the horror of what he had been part to became clear. The plot would have been too large for that to have not happened by now. Seat belt laws aren't to keep you from dieing they're to keep you from being injured or killed in such a way that it costs society a lot of money. You want to kill yourself plenty of easy ways out but we as a society disapprove of you doing it in such a way that you don't die and it costs us many thousands of dollars saving you. Of course Teddy Roosevelt and FDR are on that list of people related to each other. They were fifth cousins but more importantly FDR married Teddy's nice Eleanor. As far as I can tell, I have biographies of both men on my bookshelf neither had met the other until the wedding when Teddy, the sitting POTUS, gave away the bride.

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