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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 3:37:48 AM   
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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 6:54:51 AM   
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Once again, it's that "one true way" thinking. It distorts all sorts of systems of belief, poisons philosophies, causes perfectly wonderful thoughts to rot and darken. People using their beliefs to hate others who don't agree with them. We see it every day. Both overseas, here in the US, and even within our our community. (Hell, even here on CM!) Once you get tot he point of calling other people "abominations" and saying that you'd rather "spit on them as talk to them."... well, as one stand up comic says... "there's your sign."

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 8:14:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		This teacher is probably one of those liberal types that bleat on about how the developed world owe the developing world a carbon debt. Now maybe she realises why the developing world has its own problems stopping it from developing rather than just blaming the western world for everything.

An interesting thing I noticed the other day is that the secretary of the school who reported her had a western first name. I would be interested to know more about this other woman and if this was the first dispute between the two women.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 10:56:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		This in my opinion has nothing to do with religion, but religion is being used as an excuse. Clearly the parents who originally lodged the complaint are of the ignorant types and I am sureprised that they are the so called "elite"...I lived in Egypt and while different and much more developed than the Sudan, the elites there were much more westernized than the peasants or middle classes. In any case, this seems like a case of "punishing the British" and using this poor woman as a representative. Why she chose to go to the Sudan is a mystery, I wouldn't even be caught going there by mistake.

The British government also needs to grow some balls. By that they need to put all the pressure on this pathetic Khartoum government and take this as a case of defending Britain in the world. The British have been way to lenient, allowing Mugabe in Zimbabwe to kill and kick out their fellow British and their descendants in Zimbabwe withouth any retributions to that country and now this.

I hope these backwards sheiks of Khartoum let this woman go.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 11:54:37 AM   
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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 3:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been watching this story with interest, and the last I heard was yesterday's demonstration where the religous nutters were saying they wanted this teacher killed, beheaded and one said he would behead her himself if he got to her.

Now with thought running to this magnitude, where are the Sudanese authorities going to falsely imprison this woman, where she will serve the sentance they imposed on her and come out the end of it unscathed, unscathed in that no-one has injured or tried to kill her.

The thought being with the religous beliefs of these people, even those on guard could do the deed and be absolved of any crime because they would be doing it in defense of their belief ?

As to the British Government talking about compromises, what is there to compromise, why are our authorities talking about reaching agreements for her release and yes, why are our representatives, the government so soft on matters?

Sometimes I just feel the fight has gone out of this country.

We must remember, not every part of the world is the same, this teacher went there of her own free will, whether she was trapped or not, I just hope it serves to remind other comfortable westerners what peril they can put themselves in by going to these countries.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 3:39:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		It reminds of me of the cartoons a year ago that some guy in Europe made that insulted Mohammad and the entire arab world started to demonstrate.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 3:52:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Raechard

This teacher is probably one of those liberal types that bleat on about how the developed world owe the developing world a carbon debt. Now maybe she realises why the developing world has its own problems stopping it from developing rather than just blaming the western world for everything.



Yeah, and I bet she enjoys long walks in the rain, her favourite colour is teal, she's a cat person, votes in civic elections but not state or national ones, loves reruns of Friends and Seinfeld, has size 7 1/2 feet, trims her pubes, collects glass owls, loves sushi, hates garage sales... I am such a good judge of character too.

Unless she actually one of those conservative types who believe that their religious beliefs must be foisted on others regardless of the absurdity of her own cult fictions and who has to save the heathens even if it means killing them...

Making up the truth is certainly more entertaining than seeking it, right?

The Middle east and much of Africa certainly has plenty of problems not stemming from western interventions but don't pretend the west is blameless. Where you see long, straight borders in those reigions you see the arbitrary imposition of western jurisdictions (for western benefit) and where you see those long, straight, arbitrary borders there is a greater chance of conflict then elsewhere.


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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 5:08:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The past is the past how much longer can people be blamed for the actions of the past? I’m sure someone will point out if Africa had all its diamonds back it would be a rich continent: wrong because diamonds are of value because the west placed value upon them, oil has value for similar reasons. A fair price is that which someone is prepared to pay beyond that nothing else matters. Go back to the bartering system and see if they have anything you want?
 
As far as I know the British empire is more than 50 years dead and the lines you see on the map are the territories of the warlords you sell your guns to. We have no influence there and nor does the US.
 
Yes I know the type I hear them talk about how the west has no social conscience all the time I find it hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy. I heard someone talking the other day about how no one cares, I thought it funny they speak for everyone and they are some kind of super wonderful being and yet here they are in the west ashamed of the fact their ancestors had an industrial revolution, sipping coffee in a Starbucks.
 
A million dollars in Africa buys you nothing if you are stranded there. What is she going to teach the children how to sow a seed or the laws of economics? Why not teach them English because that’s going to help them isn’t it? Maybe some maths? History? The perfect solution that’s open a load of car factories there or maybe make some cheap slave labour Nike crap, nope I’m thinking that’s what happened in China.
 
Population is the biggest problem facing Africa and the rest of the world and what does the west have to do with that?


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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 5:21:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Raechard, I think you are quite jaded when it comes to Africa, and in a way I share that belief, however, education is the best thing and most important thing any country can have; from education comes responsable citizens and contributors to society, such as doctors, lawyers, agriculturalists, businessmen, whatever. While the Sudan will not start an industrial revolution tomorrow or maybe in the next 50-100 years, they can start with education leading to intellectuals who can be social-economically aware and take the country out of its current stagnation. Then they can start exporting agricultural products and begin small...Singapore and Malaysia if I am not mistaken also started exporting rice and agricultural products a mere 50 yrs ago before they became what they are today: economic powerhouses. The problem is that in order for that to happen a country has to be pacified (by force or by agreement of society) and sacrifices made, and all of society trying to bring about the aim of development.

I think the European powers do have some minor blame in that it chose by and large (with some exceptions) to not educate the locals, and used divide and conquer tactics on them. I do think however that the biggest blames lies with inept African governments who have done nothing but swindled their own people of money, dreams, livelihood, and a better future. The west also interfered in negative ways like trying to bring Mugabe to power in Zimbabwe and forcing Ian Smith to step down as prime minister because he was "white". Idi Amin Dada in Uganda was also supported by the west at some point before he kicked out all the Asians in his country.

In any case, rather than a war to invade Iraq, a case could have been made for the Sudan to kick out that backwards regime that rules that country.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 5:36:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you are right I am jaded by the whole Africa story because I have to apologise for the fact that I’m a lucky individual all the time. They can’t blame us if we leave them be so that’s where my future vote is.

Yes education is important but you realise that most of the African dictators are those that were educated in the west? It seems if someone there has an educational advantage over others they are just a likely to use it for their own self interest than help their nation. Everyone has a right to emigrate wherever they please so all you end up with is those with western educations moving out into the west and how does that help the rest left behind? It’s just brain drain. They have to develop on their own I’m sure they already have enough people there to fill teaching jobs and actually teach things of practical purpose to the locals.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 5:52:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif

This in my opinion has nothing to do with religion, but religion is being used as an excuse. Clearly the parents who originally lodged the complaint are of the ignorant types and I am sureprised that they are the so called "elite"...I lived in Egypt and while different and much more developed than the Sudan, the elites there were much more westernized than the peasants or middle classes. In any case, this seems like a case of "punishing the British" and using this poor woman as a representative. Why she chose to go to the Sudan is a mystery, I wouldn't even be caught going there by mistake.

The British government also needs to grow some balls. By that they need to put all the pressure on this pathetic Khartoum government and take this as a case of defending Britain in the world. The British have been way to lenient, allowing Mugabe in Zimbabwe to kill and kick out their fellow British and their descendants in Zimbabwe withouth any retributions to that country and now this.

I hope these backwards sheiks of Khartoum let this woman go.


Your first sentance answers the question you posed in the second one. You are correct that this is probably politically motived, maybe to stave of criticism of the current atrocities in Sudan.

That said, just how would you apply pressure. The current government in Sudan dont care about feeding the populace, much of that is done through aid from the UK and the West. If sanctions were brought in, it isnt the government who would suffer. What action to take doesnt have an easy answer. It`s much the same with Mugabe, the only sure way to get rid of either government is to invade, but do you advocate that ?  Personally i would rather the UK had gone into Zimbabwe than Iraq

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 9:50:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a crazy situation. The teacher didn't suggest nor made the kids name the bear Muhammad. Why are the students in jail? Why aren't the students parents in jail for not teaching that it's wrong for naming stuffed animals after your holy profit?

The truth is that this is an exsuse to get rid of the British woman teacher and use her as an example that they don't want any more British women teachers there ever again.

After all, the class named the bear Muhammad out of respect for there profit. Not to mock him. It's time I go to Build a Bear so I can have my own Jesus and Buddha sandwiching Muhammad in a three some. Let's see what Saddan has to say about those apples.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/1/2007 9:52:48 PM   
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The teacher's students named the bear and SHE is in trouble?! Yep, that makes a LOT of sence.  I think I know some officials who are going to be eligible for next year's Darwin awards or at the stupid awards. Sheesh 


Sorry to tell you darlin but you can only win a Darwin award when your actions take you out of the gene pool.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/2/2007 4:42:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Face it everyone that teacher is topping from the bottom. I don't like to accuse people of this but it has to be said.

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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/15/2007 4:02:28 PM   
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RE: .teddybearteacher. - 12/15/2007 4:12:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's a bit disturbing, do people like that exist?

Quite talented to talk without his mouth moving though or was that just my slow internet connection?

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