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bittermoonlight -> Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 9:20:55 AM)

Hello. I've noticed a lot of people here who make their own toys and things and was wondering if I could benefit from your collective experience. I've done costuming for years, and I've made lots of things, masks, armor, ect. I've made a few things from leather, but I'm being cautious with it, as it is a material I would like to do as much justice to as possible; therefore, research!

It's my understanding that in some leather work, holes are punched first, and then thread is hand-threaded in with one or two needles. Is this 'stronger' than machine-sewn things? But in that case, how do so many custom leather items get made? I can understand if it was being used for something like heavy duty cuffs (for suspension play, frex) or corsetting but what about leather blindfolds or hoods?

Also, no sewing machine I've tried has ever been remotely fond of things like leather or vinyl. Those of you who work with these things, how do you choose to work with them? What works better for you?




azropedntied -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 10:28:31 AM)

It really depends on what your making and what it is going to be used for .Example if i am making a cuff there is no need to sew  as it shall be rivited and maybe some leather weld used on it .If i am making a hood then that would be garment type leather and  just about any sewing maching  can do one maybe two sides of that thickness .Use a walking foot  and leather needle to ensure a good result .I have seen the hole punch method i just  have not used it  since i made a wallet  long ago .




subbie333 -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 6:42:01 PM)

The answer will depend upon the thickness of leather that you are working with.

3 to 5 oz leather (a.k.a. garment leather) can be sewn with a regular sewing machine using a needle for leather.  Any leather thicker than that requires punching holes ahead of time (with a punch, chisel, or, maybe nippers).  With thicker leather, small projects and repairs can be handled with a hand sewing awl.  Otherwise, you need a sewing machine made for the thicker leathers.  This will cost you hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.




BootBlackBlast -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 6:46:29 PM)

Even when sewing garment leather I'd make sure to use an industrial based machine. The leather is going to destroy someone's $99 Wal-Mart special sewing machine. Most motors aren't designed to handle it. Also keep in mind that any hide of leather has different grains and thicknesses so it will want to pull in every which direction. Be PATIENT, go slow, and practice lots.




bittermoonlight -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 7:08:07 PM)

Thanks for the replies. I have access to some decent sewing machines and have used them in previous leather projects. I've yet to work with heavy leather, but intend to do so at some point - so basically, still working with garment leather. 




Gwynvyd -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 9:04:33 PM)

Greetings,

For working with Vinyl or Garment leathers I use my 1940's Singer Feather Weight machine. It will handle up to 6 layers of heavy canvas with out breaking a sweat. ( I call her Bruenhilde... Love that machine ) For the heafty duty stuff like armor I use a leather awl, and sinew (senthetic). For medium weight I have a leather sewing machine. It is broken and missing a peice from a rough move.. *sighs* but it worked great once apon a time. There are certain seams for butting two peices of thick leather together seamlessly.. and ways of stiching seams perfectly in leather garments to take off the stress, since it is basicaly the stretchy skin of an animal. Try Flat Felled Seams http://www.sewneau.com/how.to/flat.felled.seam.html  or French Seams. http://www.sewneau.com/how.to/french.seam.html   Both will work wonders and are worth the extra work to keep the leather garment from ripping at the seams. If you are sewing garment leather with a machine use wedge-point machine needles to sew leathers, suedes and vinyls. The shape of this needle will create a slit (rather than a large hole) through which the thread will pass.  Speaking of threat I prefer to use Upolstery thread. It is thicker, stronger, and pre waxed.

Here is a leather awl http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ZAA002-542-599.html   schmitz sewing needles are what I always use.

Good luck. Let me know if you need any help via my email ok?

Gwyn




Elegant -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (11/27/2007 9:09:22 PM)

The majority late model home sewing machines are not capable of handling anything much thicker than garment leather. Older models (before circa 1970's) have all metal gears and parts and can withstand slightly heavier leather. (some new home models are this sturdy also but the price is high.

I use three different machines, depending on the task: a 1950's Morse, a newer model White Jeans Machine and a Consew industrial.








bittermoonlight -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/13/2007 7:01:18 AM)

Thanks again for everyone's help. I've come to the grudging understanding that none of the three or four sewing machines I have access to are leather friendly, but have managed to work with it some anyway. I have this thing for deer leather, which is particularly unfortunate, since it's tough as hell to sew.... In any case, I'm looking into getting an older more industrial strength machine. Out of curiosity, how did you more experienced leatherworkers get started? What project made you say that you really wanted to do this?




lovesthekink -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/13/2007 6:31:36 PM)

My old Bernina 707 minimatic is fabulous. It can chew through 2-3 layers of chap weight leather. It cant really handle anything more than that but its tip top for anything smaller. Look for old and metal. <crotchety-generalization>These new-fangled plastic machines just cant handle leather.</crotchety-generalization>

~LTK




BootBlackBlast -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/13/2007 7:11:58 PM)

I don't have a machine as of yet, I too am waiting for the sewing machine fairy to come drop one in my lap. And in SF that is tough as everyone wants a machine that can do leather and vinyl.

But there isn't any one project that told me I had to do this. It was just sitting around Paul Johnson's (www.OffRampLeathers.com) one man three machine shop that spoke to me. He's begun to teach me pattern cutting, things to look for, the godliness of 3M double sided adhesive tape (it's similar to the tape used on fedex envelopes and such), some rivet and stud work, and basic construction. He hasn't been able to teach me to sew because he's just too fucking busy. But he did tell me to get a machine and sew everything I could find to get experience.




MasterofScyn -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/13/2007 9:37:33 PM)

I'm looking to get into leatherworking as well.. Since this one answered one of my questions.. Other question is, are there some websites or books recommended for making such clothing. I really want to make a leather corset at some point, perhaps a few other things along those lines. I've made some cuffs that came out really nice and now I'm kind of hooked on the idea of making my own things instead of paying an arm and leg for a leather bra!!!
 
Scyn ~




Gwynvyd -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/13/2007 9:48:52 PM)

I would try making a regular corset first.. that is difficult enough.... then move onto leather after you have the basics of corsetry down and the exact shape and size you need. ( leather is expensive and a pain in the ass to deal with if you are not used to it)




Gwynvyd -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/13/2007 9:53:25 PM)

As for 1st projects... in sewing ~ since I was a little girl I made costumes. I do medieval re-enactments.. and my mum taught me how to sew.
In Leather ~ I was a sub to a excellent Dom who had a leather biz ( yeah lucky girl eh ) many many years ago. Leather Stu ( as he was known and has since passed ) taugh me lots about leather working. I helped out in the shop and with making stuff.

Gwyn




Maya2001 -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/14/2007 8:11:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BootBlackBlast

Even when sewing garment leather I'd make sure to use an industrial based machine. The leather is going to destroy someone's $99 Wal-Mart special sewing machine. Most motors aren't designed to handle it. Also keep in mind that any hide of leather has different grains and thicknesses so it will want to pull in every which direction. Be PATIENT, go slow, and practice lots.


As mentioned the different grains on either side affect the way the leather is drawn into the foot so tends to pull, that can be resolved using special feet,  it could be walking foot, roller foot or teflon coated foot,  if you plan to be doing lots of sewing it can be worthwhile in investing in a heavy duty machine and I don't necessarily mean industrial, their  are older  all metal portable machines that  will do the jobs just fine   you can go to a sewing machne sew some will buy customers old machines tune them up and resell  often with a warranty, ask them what old vintage models they would recommend,  you could try ebay but may need to take to a shop to have oiled, cleaned and adjusted, some seller will buy older machines and replace the motor with heavier duty ones and set them up for  heavy duty use like on leather

I don't really recommend if you want to used for heavy leathers but good for garment leathers
example older cast metal husqvarna/viking made in sweden  with rotary hook with slant foot
the pfaff 130  or 230 was originally  made to be a sailmakers machine  so was designed for  heavy duty use

306 singer another that I have heard recommended

I started out a business making designer dog collars with webbing and trims  and needed a machine that could punch through 3 layers of webbing and used an old viking as my first machine before moving up to an industrial machine and later added one designed specifically for leather as even industrials  are designed for different uses so a industrial meant for regular garments does not have the same strength as one made for leather  so even they can be killed with heavy use if not designed for but one designed for garments will handle garment leather fine but heavy leather will take their toll on them  they can also be purchased off ebay  as complete units I think I paid about $500 for my heavy duty  industrial pfaff with walking foot which was reconditioned and tested before selling shipping was probably another $100 which beats paying over $2000 for machine and motor often alone with table, thread stands, lights  as  extras.  I keep another ebay purchases lighter duty industrial on hand  incase I have machine problems   with the leather machine so can still complete orders but mostly that is used for dog coats, and I have a couple older portables  just for convenience mostly  home use, the one big thing with the industrials is getting used to the speed, as they will operate at much faster speeds so it takes getting used to or  you can purchase special motors(servomotor)  that allows the sewer  to reduce the speed or buy what is called a speed reducer which is simply and extra wheel/pulley that you add in with a belt from the motor and another from the pulley to the machine  to reduce the revolutions the machine runs at.  Different feet and attachments for industrials can also be purchased off ebay


For hand sewing a a special wheel is used to mark the thread holes so they are evenally spaced  and an awl is used to punch thru the marked hole placements then you use a leather sewing awl that has a spool attached to e needle  to sew the leather 

Thread should be a heavier nylon which is rot proof and very strong such as #69 or 92 they tend to be difficult to use in most home based machines

If using lighter leathers for cuffs example less than 10  stitching along the edges helps to prevent the leather from stretching 










bittermoonlight -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/15/2007 10:59:56 PM)

I was lurking around craigslist for a machine, seems like a better bet than ebay, since its local and there are no shipping fees. I've seen a few old sewing machines in thrift stores but unfortunately have no idea if what I'm looking at is what I want, or would work, or has all the right parts.




bluewench -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/17/2007 9:01:36 PM)

wow guys, this is exactly what i wanted to know! :lol: i want to make myself a corset from leather also, well for me and the enjoyment of others *giggle*
i'm a fashion major in college, so i have an industrial machine at my fingertips. but do those machines also require a different needle? where (online) would y'all suggest i buy the leather? over here we just have JoAnns *barfs* and i'm quite sure they don't have actual leather. one last thing, does anyone have a pattern that works really well for a corset? i have a Costume one, but it seems more for halloween and cheap tricks than actual wearable..ness...(don't mind me making up words LOL)

thanks ^.^




CalifChick -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/17/2007 11:00:14 PM)

Elizabethan corsets:  http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ .  Click on "Elizabethan underpinnings" on the left hand side, then look for "Corset Page" in the main panel.  Patterns, pattern generator, etc.

There is a discussion of period corsets and several links here:  http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_corset.htm .  The corsets I have experience with were similar to what is demo'ed on that page, but we put the steel boning so it ended under the breast line, leaving the "cup" area unboned. 

Greenberg & Hammer out of NY is the definitive source for supplies; buy your boning in bulk and cut and dip it yourself.  http://www.greenberg-hammer.com/

The book Corsets and Crinolines by Nora Waugh has good info, and patterns (although not necessarily step by step instructions).

Some 18th century stuff here, no directions:  http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/schnitte/s1700a.shtml

Victorian:  http://www.softcom.net/users/unicorn/corset.htm

Cali




beachbum96761 -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/18/2007 3:46:28 AM)

My favorate spot for leather is,
http://www.hidehouse.com/
And theres a great spot for used or leased industral machines in Sacramento. Will look for the addy tomorrow at work.
Bob




bluewench -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/18/2007 8:55:50 PM)

thanks so much! [sm=hello.gif]




beachbum96761 -> RE: Sewing leather, leatherwork (12/19/2007 8:36:52 PM)

Best spot on the west coast for sewing machines is   Meissner Sewing Machine Company out of Sacramento. Also believe they do leasing and have some used equipment.




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