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shootingstar67 -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 4:00:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Shootingstar, Are you going to try topping for a while so you can be a better submissive? Yes.

shootingstar67 -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 4:03:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Another misconception about Old Guard, Try reading Leatherfolk and get a little better nderstanding that not everyone did the bottom up as a slave, there were even then 1950's and 60's folks who apprenticed under various Masters to learn their craft but were not slaves before they became Masters. It was a path that many took and some localized communities did require time as a slave, but to ever think that Old Guard was a monolithic structure of any values, traditions or methods, is to ignore some very important facts. The community in NYC was different than the community in LA which was different than the community in SF, which was different than the community in Chicago. Sounds like you need a trip to LA'AM (Located in Chicago, Serving the World) Leather Archives and Museum. Or even maybe a little more reading of Books rather than internet websites. I do need to read more books. Problem is they are too expensive and I can't get them at the library. I still think it is a good idea to switch roles.

Vanatru -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 6:40:11 AM)
I definitely don't have the wires for bottoming, but while learning various impliments I had them used on me so I knew what they felt like. Such practice never elicited anything other than knowing if it stung, if it felt sharp, soft, thudded, etc. But then, for me, pain is something to be managed, and not a source of enjoyment.

BrokenSaint -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 6:59:50 AM)
I've done it before in the context of a relationship. My first experiences with the whole kit and kaboodle really. While occasionally I did enjoy the woman taking control (not nearly as much as I enjoy being in control, but the enjoyment was definitely there) this was generally in instances of nonpain. Essentially I believe it was more of a matter of, well she's loving the hell out of it, it's a new experience, and I'm still getting sex. Can't complain. I can't say I dislike candle wax much either insofar as my abdomen and chest goes. I do think a year might be a bit on the extreme side though. Is it a worthwhile experience to experience bottoming for once? As much as any new experience is worthwhile. It depends on what you take from it. On a humorous note I also learned that when I am deprived of air my mind takes on a "HULK ESCAPE! GRAAAAAHHRRR!!" cast to it. Thankfully I was unrestrained at the time.

julietsierra -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 9:17:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Qithoras one could argue that Doctors should inflict injuries on themselves so they know how their patients feel. I do not think I can express my feelings towards this matter any clearer than my first two letters: No. Not now, or ever. Well, I could argue the benefits or the lack of benefits both ways. I have topped before and while it's definitely not "me," I have also gained some significant insight into just how difficult, exciting and complicated it can be to be in the top position. I believe that that experience has afforded me the opportunity to be a much better submissive/slave. (Although it wasn't the reason I set out to do this) So, I can definitely see the merit in such an endeavor - whether it's a submissive/slave experiencing a top postion or a dominant/Master experiencing a bottom position. However, what's right for me is not necessarily right for anyone else and I don't presume it should be. On the other hand, since you used this as your example of why this shouldn't happen, medical students in some schools ARE put in situations where they can come to appreciate how patients feel when it comes to tbe bedside manner/ attention/compassion (or lack thereof) of their physicians. In fact, for some medical schools, it is an important part of their educational experience. So yes, one could argue that doctors should and can come to a better understanding of their patients' concerns by putting themselves in the position of being a patient for a while. In fact, that's exactly what's happening. Oh, and just because I've played in the position of a top does not make me consider that my M/s relationship with my Master makes me any more or less equal than we ever were together, so that, to me, is a fallacious argument as well. juliet

TotalState -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 10:19:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam I have bottomed and been in service to serve my friends (in different ways) as well as to explore myself (I learned I'm a servant, not a slave...big difference for me). I learned valuable stuff each time I did it. I didn't go into any situation with the expressed desire to 'do it to be a better Master'; I did it to be helpful and to be a better PERSON. Master Fire So I guess the best people in the world are transsexual/crossdressing switches, because they understand all sides best? I don't buy it. I'm sorry, but it's not about knowing "both sides". The sides are in fact as many as there are people, and you can never learn all of them. Learn the person you are with, not some generic role. If more people realized that it's not about knowing how to be "a good X" but rather about knowing the one you are with, we'd all be a lot happier.

AMaster -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 3:45:49 PM)
No. I have always know I was born to be a Master.

CelticPrince -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 5:48:18 PM)
star, NO! CP

feralcat -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/1/2007 7:26:12 PM)
Topcat, Thank you for sharing. I really enjoyed the part about restraint,the blindfold and thought....very well put. Warm regards, Ms Feral

finitememory -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/2/2007 10:51:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shootingstar67 So Masters I am asking you. Would you ever consider bottoming? Not because you'd enjoy it but because it would make you a better dom? No. Subs are not all the same. It is my responsibility to explore, learn, and know how an individual ticks in order to manage the individual properly. What would I learn from bottoming? Nothing I don't already know (i.e. "I don't like this."). And the person domming me would learn the same. The old adage, "Walk a mile in my shoes..." works both ways. Those shoes are uncomfortable for subs trying to dom to be a better sub. It's irrelevant experience. I won't expand this to an analogy of a workplace, because analogy example are horrid arguments. All that's been said in this topic has been said well.

MistressDoMe -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/2/2007 11:15:56 AM)
Nope, if I wanted to bottom I would call myself a "switch".

Valyraen -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/2/2007 12:08:17 PM)
I was the submissive in my first relationship, back in my vanilla days. I've got absolutely no interest in going back to that. Furthermore, I don't believe that bottoming can make someone more sensitive or understanding... to borrow from the old adage, you don't need to walk a mile in someone's shoes to empathize with the blisters on their feet. Kitten and I tried some role reversal in the early stages of our relationship. Handcuffed and tied up, the only response I gave any command I was given was, "Fuck you, make me." It wasn't a conscious choice of response, just a reflex. I'm simply not designed to submit.

subspace08 -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/2/2007 4:36:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gorgeous1 quote: ORIGINAL: Qithoras Anne Rice? Read one of her books back in High School, but I thought it was overrated. Why do you say that? Sorry for butting my little sub butt in here, but I HAVE to comment on Anne Rice's books. I totally understand why you, as a man would find Rice's erotica books to be overrated. I JUST now posted a comment in the Sub Forum, saying that the Beauty Trilogy is the BEST D/s PORN written for a female...EVER!!! For a woman, I think Rice fulfills the dreams of a woman more than a man. I found that she was able to completely get into the slaves' heads and captures the inner struggle that many of us have- that unbreakable human spirit and pride, the need to surrender it all, the fear, the shame, the excitement, the temptation to rebel...utterly delicious and eternally arousing. When I read the Beauty Trilogies, I thought my head was going to explode. Exit to Eden was OK, but not as good as the Beauty Trilogy, although the scene where the girl is stripped naked in the car, and then enters the house naked on her knees, and then is laced into the corset and the boots and the gloves....YUMMY... One book that I felt was terribly overrated was The Marketplace. It was a brilliant idea, but poorly executed. The writing was cheesy throughout the entire book until you get to the epilogue where Chris is being worked over by Grendel...the writing was HOT there...finally you feel as if you are right there and you can feel the heat and intensity of their relationship and how close they are to falling over the edge, with Chris having NO LIMITS and Grendel being afraid that he just might take everything Chris is surrendering...damn if it hadn't been a scene between two dudes I would have bought the second book. I really wish there was some better written Pron out there...I have written several short stories involving an Edwardian era school for girls that involves quite a bit of OTK spanking, but all that's already in my head and I'm just spilling it out onto the paper. I wish somebody else would write something yummy. Anyhooo...since I already butted in, I'll put my two cents worth in. As a 100% sub (meaning I have ZERO desire to be in control or wield a riding crop) I would never survive being a top. The thought of my husband ever having his bottom spanked or having his...er...extremities clothes-pinned totally turns me off. I don't think I could ever get that thought out of my head...eeeew! When we get new toys, he tests them on his arm, and then we have a "test run" with the equipment before we play. We take a very clinical approach to the sensations, the mechanics, etc., and I give him total feedback on it and tell him where I think my limits might be, and if it's something I like...we transition into play mode. I am a woman who really hated the Beauty Trilogy. Over rated? Yes. I tried to like them since I paid so much for them. In concept, they seemed hot. Actually reading them though..yawn. Have not read "The Market Place" but since our tastes differ..I could try them someday

MissOchistic -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/2/2007 10:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Shootingstar, Are you going to try topping for a while so you can be a better submissive? As much as I agree switching positions isn't neccessary, topping has given me a whole new kind of respect and admiration for Dminants. and how much work it can actually be. I would encourage anyone to give the other side a go (not for a frikkin' year, that's insane, but just for a session, or maybe a specific thing like a flogging) to see if they can get a better understanding and perspective.

arayofsunshine55 -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/3/2007 2:33:15 AM)
Daddy is just wonderful. He learned his art of leadership in the workplace and it works wonderfully for me. He's tried bottom and it isn't his cup of tea. I'm good with that. As to suggesting to others that they might try bottoming? Why bother? People have decided their roads. Some times those roads work for you and some times they do not. Move on IMO.

happypervert -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/3/2007 5:18:46 AM)
I would try bottoming though haven't yet. But that would just be me being a physical experience slut because I already know I'm unable to submit mentally.

MissSCD -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/3/2007 5:26:58 AM)
I am not a male dom, but rather a Domme. I feel comfortable with the "Old Guard". I was trained that way. I started as a sub, and I would not change that training for the world. It makes you a better Dom/me. Regards, MissSCD

Wildfleurs -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/3/2007 7:44:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shootingstar67 In the old guard you earned the title of "Master" by serving as a 24/7 slave for a year. I am sure they didn't like it but they paid their dues by doing it and earned the right to rule. That was never universally true, its become some myth to justify switching and its alleged necessity. C~

HalloweenWhite -> RE: would you consider bottoming? (12/3/2007 8:40:25 AM)
I wouldn't consider bottoming, no. I don't think you need to, really. I think reading books that are recomended from one source or another, talking to as many people in the lifestyle as you can, going to events and soaking up the atmosphere are all valid ways of learning. The important thing is that you remember there are probably hoards of people who know more than you and you'd do well to keep your mouth shut and eyes and ears open.

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