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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 3:10:35 PM   
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My wife is switch with leanings towards dominance and when I let her top me I have to be the most boring bottom in the world.  I just kinda lay there paying attention to whatever it is that I'm doing unless I get hit really hard then I usually have that whole "turn around and look at you like you've lost your mind" thing going on.  I think it's because I have never found myself in 'subspace'.

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 3:22:44 PM   
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I'm quiet at first and somewhat still and as the play builds, it brings out my reactions. Once I get going, then there's squirming, gasping, laughing, moans, exclamations, comments, yips and cries depending.

I tend to be still for singletail sessions unless the hit is particularly fiery. The ones who top me for singletail prefer me to be still to take what they deliver and for a bit of added safety and I'm comfortable with that.

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 3:56:11 PM   
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the answer is : stand like a statue but moan like a porn star !

Ha ha ha ha ha - yep. Chairman loves it. i was taught that flinching is pulling away so i hold still as much as possible (til i can't *grin*). But i most definitely react.


Ditto.

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 5:42:15 PM   
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oh ok,

I see whats happening here. Because i have a fair bit of pain tolerance it takes a while for me to be warmed up.

I definitely do react, but not in the initial stages. Push me into subspace and im moaning and pushing towards the implement etc. And have even been known to lose my temper and then cry.

So, I guess its the lack of experience with me that the Dom's are having trouble with. Not having learnt where i can be pushed to.

Thanx everyone,

Feel 'normal' again....hahaha .

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 6:51:38 PM   
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It was pointed out to me recently that I dont flinch when im being cropped. (Nor do i when im being paddle, flogged, caned or whipped unless u really really hurt me)

lol ... I didnt know i was supposed to flinch. Ive always enjoyed the pain flowing thru my body and releasing the endorphins. Flinching just ruins it.



When I learned to shoot I was instructed not to flinch. I understood that to mean that I shouldn't react in an anticipatory way to the big bang and jolt which was about to happen as I pulled the trigger.

That's what I think of flinching as, a response--not so much to what actually comes as to what is expected. If a blow fails to land, whether accidentally or intentionally, and I see tensing, let's say, that might have been the response to an actual blow, I count that as a flinch rather than a reaction. Nothing that happens after the strike counts as flinching for me. What happens in the milliseconds before the strike might be one.

You're free to use the words any way you like. I find this usage of "flinch" as opposed to "react" as a handy way to denote in language a distinction I see in practice. For me flinch and react are almost antonyms rather than almost synonyms, in that particular sense I've tried to describe.

I generally don't prefer to see flinching. I've sometimes enjoyed training it away. As for reactions after the fact, there can be all kinds and I enjoy exploring the whole range.

... well, a whole lot of it. Things like coma and death are too edgey for me.

Sometimes I want a stifled reaction, sometimes the reaction I want is no overt reaction at all. Sometimes I like to see it all hanging out.

As for why I tend to dislike flinching (in my restricted sense of the word), well who knows why we like or dislike things? I'm suspicious of theories about things like that. I guess I can offer that I see the absence of the flinch as a very active sort of passivity, a willingness and openess. In short a very submisive way to be.

Then again, some sorts of anticipatory squirming can be so cute ...


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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 8:21:21 PM   
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I would think that if you do not react, even flinching is a reaction of a sort..then you take away their sadistic enjoyment..so I guess you just let it all hang out and see what develops...Tempting

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/29/2007 11:06:07 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kails

It was pointed out to me recently that I dont flinch when im being cropped. (Nor do i when im being paddle, flogged, caned or whipped unless u really really hurt me)

lol ... I didnt know i was supposed to flinch. Ive always enjoyed the pain flowing thru my body and releasing the endorphins. Flinching just ruins it.



When I learned to shoot I was instructed not to flinch. I understood that to mean that I shouldn't react in an anticipatory way to the big bang and jolt which was about to happen as I pulled the trigger.

That's what I think of flinching as, a response--not so much to what actually comes as to what is expected. If a blow fails to land, whether accidentally or intentionally, and I see tensing, let's say, that might have been the response to an actual blow, I count that as a flinch rather than a reaction. Nothing that happens after the strike counts as flinching for me. What happens in the milliseconds before the strike might be one.

You're free to use the words any way you like. I find this usage of "flinch" as opposed to "react" as a handy way to denote in language a distinction I see in practice. For me flinch and react are almost antonyms rather than almost synonyms, in that particular sense I've tried to describe.

I generally don't prefer to see flinching. I've sometimes enjoyed training it away. As for reactions after the fact, there can be all kinds and I enjoy exploring the whole range.

... well, a whole lot of it. Things like coma and death are too edgey for me.

Sometimes I want a stifled reaction, sometimes the reaction I want is no overt reaction at all. Sometimes I like to see it all hanging out.

As for why I tend to dislike flinching (in my restricted sense of the word), well who knows why we like or dislike things? I'm suspicious of theories about things like that. I guess I can offer that I see the absence of the flinch as a very active sort of passivity, a willingness and openess. In short a very submisive way to be.

Then again, some sorts of anticipatory squirming can be so cute ...


Just a few more taut little threads in life's rich tapestry.





Noah,
Your description of flinch is the same as mine...i thought that was just a given but i'm glad you made the distinction....will be interesting to see what replies come after.

This is also why i don't think i flinch when i am bound. i usually am blind folded, in a hood or have my eyes clamped so tightly that i have no idea what is coming, unless he wants me to (like cracking the single tail for example)...i also know that no matter what it is inescapable anyway.

As for reacting, i always react in some way, tears, yelling, moans....Sometimes i move too...but it is different....it isn't anticipatory movement it is reactionary movement.


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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 11/30/2007 12:14:41 PM   
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It is generally considered wrong to "fake" an orgasm. Are you seeking some kind of approval to "fake" a flinch?

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/1/2007 3:51:01 PM   
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Sounds like a challenge.  How much pain does cause you to flinch?

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/1/2007 3:57:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane
I'm quiet at first and somewhat still and as the play builds, it brings out my reactions. Once I get going, then there's squirming, gasping, laughing, moans, exclamations, comments, yips and cries depending.


I really don't mind if a sub wants to take it stoically and not flinch, but I want her to be vocal. I almost never gagged my former sub for that very reason. I love to hear the cries, the moans, the (non-safeword) pleas to stop, if only for a moment.

Les (Illegitimate son of  Marilyn Monroe and Marilyn Manson)

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/1/2007 4:07:10 PM   
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A flinch is an attempt to prepare oneself for an expected blow.  i think perhaps some masters see this as a way the sub controls what is happening to her.  It's not totally submitting to whats happening to you, at least in my opnion.  During face slapping it's almost an involuntary action to flinch because you can see it coming, but it can be trained to stop, with enough effort.  

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/1/2007 5:07:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill

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ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane
I'm quiet at first and somewhat still and as the play builds, it brings out my reactions. Once I get going, then there's squirming, gasping, laughing, moans, exclamations, comments, yips and cries depending.


I really don't mind if a sub wants to take it stoically and not flinch, but I want her to be vocal. I almost never gagged my former sub for that very reason. I love to hear the cries, the moans, the (non-safeword) pleas to stop, if only for a moment.

Les (Illegitimate son of  Marilyn Monroe and Marilyn Manson)


<grins> Oh I'm not a bit stoic about it, it just has to build to a certain level or intensity before it draws out noticable reactions from me aside from moving my body in silent enjoyment of the lighter sensations.

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/1/2007 5:25:23 PM   
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I have fairly high pain tolerance, so I purr a lot when I bottom--I tend to play with dommes who are actually nice people, and enjoy making me purr (and occasionally whimper...)

Now if you don't feel like purring OR whimpering...um, that may be a problem. Something about beating a dead horse...

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/1/2007 8:09:51 PM   
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It is generally considered wrong to "fake" an orgasm. Are you seeking some kind of approval to "fake" a flinch?

I had a similar thought.  In a former thread called "Hard to Read," I made a post along these lines.  The thread is a good read:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1086937/mpage_1/tm.htm

luci

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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/2/2007 10:42:28 PM   
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Oh, I guess I can understand that.
I get a great thrill out of knowing they're a little scared and anticipating. If they didn't flinch, I'd feel like I was boring them.


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RE: When a sub doesn't flinch.... - 12/3/2007 2:40:06 AM   
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I only flinch when my body thinks he's gonna slap my face.  Otherwise I react a whole lot but flinching would not be the descriptive word.  Sometimes what I do is move into the blow rather than away.  It's a dance we do together and we both like it.

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