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Real0ne -> Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/29/2007 9:10:20 PM)




WTG Spain!




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/29/2007 10:06:06 PM)

Did you post a link Real?  It's not showing up on my end.




pinksugarsub -> RE: Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/29/2007 10:26:23 PM)

On November 7, 2007 Spain's Constitutional Court ruled on the case of Pedro Varela, the well known Spanish human rights activist and publisher. Pedro Varela was sentenced initially (Nov. 16, 1998) to five years in prison by a Barcelona court for selling books that were considered to contain articles of racehate and holocaust-denial. In fact, they were books that disputed certain aspect of the modern holocaust dogma. On April 30, 1999, the highest appeal court of Catalonia overturned the verdict and denounced the original verdict, as well as the law the verdict was based on, (article 607.2 Spanish penal code) as illegal. Three judges came to the unanimous conclusion that such a law is violating human rights by depriving every individual from his or her basic human rights (UN-Charter, Article 19).
 
It's a little disturbing to see any erosion in hate crime legislation where Nazis are concerned, but it is still true that a freedom of expression right belongs even to the most despicable person.
 
 
pinksugarsub




luckydog1 -> RE: Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/29/2007 10:35:18 PM)

The link works Slave Boy, yet another one of Real's Neo Nazi sites. 

I do have to agree though, I do not think Holocoust denial or (Neo) Nazi Glorification should be a crime.  It is far better to let people see the stupid ideas put forward by these people and thier followers.  I wish everyone could see what kind of crap they put out.   I have the same opinion about 911 KOOKS.  Sunlight is an amazing disinfectant.  Plus it lets the authorities identify and keep an eye on these idiotic monsters.

Here is the link to the English home page, not surprisingly the entire site is mirrored in German.  http://globalfire.tv/nj/english.htm




Zensee -> RE: Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/29/2007 11:23:54 PM)

That pic of the poor, oppressed, handcuffed "human rights activst" looks posed and photo-shopped to me.

quote:

MEIN KAMPF is the bestselling biography in the Islamic world, in Russia and many other countries. MEIN KAMPF, outlining his world view on "Jewish influence and power", has become a bestseller in Turkey, the officially secular but mostly Muslim nation. Adolf Hitler's work is even sold in Israel. Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin would have been faded into oblivion a long time ago if they had not been Adolf Hitler's foes. It is he, who guarantees that these wretched figures achieve a certain status through his historical dimension. "Hitler, the German, is not only the most well-known European, but beside the religious founders Mohammed, Jesus, Buddha or the slayers Genghis Khan or Stalin perhaps one of the most well-known figures of all time." (Weltwoche, Zurich, Issue 29/2004)


Just a little blurb about one of the books available from their "spiritual internet shopping market".

Is hate speech, free speech? One would hope people would make more of such a precious thing than to promote lies calculated to incite the gullible to violence.


Z.




popeye1250 -> RE: Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/29/2007 11:36:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

On November 7, 2007 Spain's Constitutional Court ruled on the case of Pedro Varela, the well known Spanish human rights activist and publisher. Pedro Varela was sentenced initially (Nov. 16, 1998) to five years in prison by a Barcelona court for selling books that were considered to contain articles of racehate and holocaust-denial. In fact, they were books that disputed certain aspect of the modern holocaust dogma. On April 30, 1999, the highest appeal court of Catalonia overturned the verdict and denounced the original verdict, as well as the law the verdict was based on, (article 607.2 Spanish penal code) as illegal. Three judges came to the unanimous conclusion that such a law is violating human rights by depriving every individual from his or her basic human rights (UN-Charter, Article 19).
 
It's a little disturbing to see any erosion in hate crime legislation where Nazis are concerned, but it is still true that a freedom of expression right belongs even to the most despicable person.
 
 
pinksugarsub



Pink, true again! (You're on a roll.)
I despise Nazis!
But the thing about free speech is that I want those bastards to have the right to speak and to use that right in public so that everyone can hear their sick twisted shit.
They're their own best/worst enemy.




LadyEllen -> RE: Madrid abolishes Thought-Crime-Law (11/30/2007 7:54:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

quote:

MEIN KAMPF is the bestselling biography in the Islamic world, in Russia and many other countries. MEIN KAMPF, outlining his world view on "Jewish influence and power", has become a bestseller in Turkey, the officially secular but mostly Muslim nation. Adolf Hitler's work is even sold in Israel. Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin would have been faded into oblivion a long time ago if they had not been Adolf Hitler's foes. It is he, who guarantees that these wretched figures achieve a certain status through his historical dimension. "Hitler, the German, is not only the most well-known European, but beside the religious founders Mohammed, Jesus, Buddha or the slayers Genghis Khan or Stalin perhaps one of the most well-known figures of all time." (Weltwoche, Zurich, Issue 29/2004)




Thanks for posting this Z - very interesting to be honest, if baffling. I have a copy of Mein Kampf here that I bought ten years ago. I thought it would be an interesting read and perhaps shed some light on things in one of my main areas of interest WWII.

I have to confess, I have read only about the first twenty pages since I bought it - and that was an effort, despite my interest.

It is the biggest load of absolute shite I think I have ever come across. The subject matter could be interesting debate material - except that really there is no debate to be had. The repetition of the exact same material on every other page is irritating to say the least - it does not develop a theme or an argument but simply states conclusions. And worst of all, it is written in the most abysmally poor expression, rendering it of interest for a full reading only to those for whom a full acquaintance is some sort of mark of distinction.

My copy is an English translation incidentally. I also tried it in the original German - which was a worse experience.

Quite why anyone might think it a worthwhile read on which to spend their time is beyond me.

E




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