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MissAnthropic -> BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 3:38:59 AM)

BDSM Opinion Poll

I was asked what I thought of this survey and I gave my honest opinion, that it wasn’t factual or correct:

pub40.bravenet.com/vote/vote.php?usernum=3365590678&cpv=2

What’s your opinion?

I disagreed with several things in the poll, the first being that BDSM stands for Bondage and Discipline, Sadism and Masochism, and Dominance and submission.

The second being that the options or parameters were far too narrow to be realistic. The choices given are simply far to few and limited, what  if you prefer to be tied up standing utilising a St Andrews Cross or tied into a set of well constructed stocks?

The third was a question that was later changed, when I pointed that spanking was done with or implied a hand and not a device, ie a whip or cane. The question was then changed by the author to the wording device or instrument.

The forth was that poly simply means many and that questionnaire should have said polygamy or polyamourous, and that the authors views appeared bigoted against both as viable personal choices by consenting adults.

I pointed out these obvious problems when asked, to be slammed for daring to disagree that this probably wasn’t the best questionnaire on BDSM or even a reasonable one, and it was likely to make the author look like a fool rather than knowledgably. I told the author of the poll that I wouldn’t like them to lose face in front of friends and acquaintances, and that I would happily assist on Monday when I didn’t have commitments with children and could give the matter my full attention.

I apologised for inadvertently hurting the feelings of the person who created the poll, despite the fact that he asked my opinion then got upset when I was slightly critical. The person stormed off and has ever since behaved appallingly, punishing me for daring to give him not only good advice but for being right.

The author of the poll and I were going to meet in the next week and get to know each other, after  considering each other for a lengthy period of time as potential partners. I had written some small journal entry saying how upset I was at this sort of treatment, and he demanded I remove it from my journal, which I did, just to keep the peace. I didn’t promise not to write something else  and dare I say better *chuckles*

I’d appreciate some feedback, particularly from other masters, if your girl were to be critical of your work; would you punish her for it? Would you break of the relationship because she disagreed with you, not in public but in private and gently, all the while saying she loved you and that everything else of his was so exceptional that this would be lowering people’s opinions of the author of the poll, people who hold him in high regard in the BDSM online community?

Is it wrong to be honest? Because my gut instinct tells me that honesty is the foundation of BDSM that without complete honesty between partners, there is little hope for that relationship to flourish.  Further, I would expect to be punished for doing something wrong, like lying to him. To me that would be as serious a crime against my Dom as cheating on him, unforgivable.


I’m obviously very hurt and confused by all this, I’ve broken up with someone I care about a great deal, or rather he’s broken up with me, and I can only suppose that he really didn’t care, because he wouldn’t be going to this sort of trouble to fuck me over. I’m totally lost as to why anyone who says he loves me would do this to me, especially someone who knows my history.

But this isn’t intended to solicit sympathy, but to get some feedback from Masters/Mistress’s and Dom/me’s as to whether I should have behaved differently.  Would you have been furious at your sub for lying to you? Is integrity more important? IMHO there is no such thing as a little white lie.

Thanks in advance for those who respond.

Cheers

jess










Level -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 4:26:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAnthropic


I’d appreciate some feedback, particularly from other masters, if your girl were to be critical of your work; would you punish her for it? Would you break of the relationship because she disagreed with you, not in public but in private and gently, all the while saying she loved you and that everything else of his was so exceptional that this would be lowering people’s opinions of the author of the poll, people who hold him in high regard in the BDSM online community?

Is it wrong to be honest? Because my gut instinct tells me that honesty is the foundation of BDSM that without complete honesty between partners, there is little hope for that relationship to flourish.  Further, I would expect to be punished for doing something wrong, like lying to him. To me that would be as serious a crime against my Dom as cheating on him, unforgivable.




Honesty is required from me, but coupled with the proper attitude. Someone doing that should have nothing to fear. If I were interested in bullshit, I'd go hang out in a pasture. [;)]




juliaoceania -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 6:02:31 AM)

quote:

I’d appreciate some feedback, particularly from other masters, if your girl were to be critical of your work; would you punish her for it? Would you break of the relationship because she disagreed with you, not in public but in private and gently, all the while saying she loved you and that everything else of his was so exceptional that this would be lowering people’s opinions of the author of the poll, people who hold him in high regard in the BDSM online community?



I rarely critique anything my Daddy does, and I would only do so for his benefit. He asks me my advice, and I give it honestly. My brain is his asset, and he never lets me forget that.

quote:

Is it wrong to be honest? Because my gut instinct tells me that honesty is the foundation of BDSM that without complete honesty between partners, there is little hope for that relationship to flourish.  Further, I would expect to be punished for doing something wrong, like lying to him. To me that would be as serious a crime against my Dom as cheating on him, unforgivable.



Honesty is expected from me, but truth should be given in a way that has sensitivity.. brutal truths are not always necessary when they are not even asked for. People need a filter on what comes out of their mouths and how they state things. In other words, there is being honest, and then there is lacking tact. There is also speaking up about something that was not even asked of a person that maybe none of that person's business.

quote:

I’m obviously very hurt and confused by all this, I’ve broken up with someone I care about a great deal, or rather he’s broken up with me, and I can only suppose that he really didn’t care, because he wouldn’t be going to this sort of trouble to fuck me over. I’m totally lost as to why anyone who says he loves me would do this to me, especially someone who knows my history.



I know you are asking masters and doms, but I have lived awhile, and I can say the people that seemed hellbent on hurting me were actually in pain themselves... and we often hurt people we love, in fact we rarely go out of our way to be hurtful to people we are not emotionally connected to in  some way. I do not know your situation, but human nature being what it is, it does not mean he does not love you because he has been hurtful to you. I have had this experience before, and him not loving me was the last thing that his behavior was about... in fact he felt betrayed by me in some ways...

If you want to email me on the other side, please feel free. I may not be a master, but not only masters have wisdom about human nature.

I may not be able to answer right away as I am going to my Daddy's house today. But I will get back to you when I can if you wish it.





Vanatru -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 6:02:39 AM)

yeah, honesty and communication work for any relationship, including alternative ones.

Edit: As far as approach, I can't really say much cause I have no idea what was said. I don't really see anything untoward in what you stated in the OP, but then, there are guys that get offended about having what they say questioned.

For myself, even though I don't particularly care for bluntness, I'd prefer that over someone NOT being honest at all. No matter the dynamic, everyone still has feelings and opinions, desires and dreams.




mnottertail -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 6:12:44 AM)

If you are solicited for an opinion, and it is constructive, but negative; no.

If meeting both of the first two clauses, you are safe as in god's pocket.

If not meeting both, your ass is at  incomprehensible risk.


Ron




kc692 -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 8:37:15 AM)

I clicked on the link and did not get the poll.




pinksugarsub -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 10:32:33 AM)

*missa* i'm very sorry this happened. 
 
pinksugarsub




MissAnthropic -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 9:18:41 PM)

Hmm Interesting answers, thanks for the input. It's blown me away that someone so "nice" can turn over something so very trivial.  Sadly he is displaying particularily childish and bitchy behaviour, which I would have said was uncharateristic. He's a very nice bloke, but I suspect there's some underlying insecuritys. I would have happily helped him through them, but he simply wont talk to me, at least not in a mature and reasonable fashionable. Im actually appalled at his behaviour. It was probably best I found out now than further into the relationship.

Thanks for the input anyways :D

cheers jess





laurell3 -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 9:27:09 PM)

The first day we met for coffee I was babbling about a work problem and my now partner stopped me and said I think you have it all wrong.  He's not in my profession, however, his advice about dealing with a person that I hadn't even considered turned out to be correct and I changed my approach accordingly and found it was great advice.   Had I not listened or been offended I would have missed out on having a better understanding of how to help someone.

I'm always open to his suggestions and they are always constructive, he would however I'm sure tell you that I don't always follow his advice.




LadySeraphina -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/2/2007 9:28:03 PM)

I only saw 8 or so questions, so not nearly the depth of questions you describe. Based on what's there, I don't even see a point in the questionnaire - what was it being used for?

As for the criticism, I don't welcome it when it's unsolicited, but when asked for and politely given, there should never be a problem with it.




BrokenSaint -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/3/2007 12:32:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAnthropic

BDSM Opinion Poll

I was asked what I thought of this survey and I gave my honest opinion, that it wasn’t factual or correct:

pub40.bravenet.com/vote/vote.php?usernum=3365590678&cpv=2

What’s your opinion?

I disagreed with several things in the poll, the first being that BDSM stands for Bondage and Discipline, Sadism and Masochism, and Dominance and submission.

The second being that the options or parameters were far too narrow to be realistic. The choices given are simply far to few and limited, what  if you prefer to be tied up standing utilising a St Andrews Cross or tied into a set of well constructed stocks?

The third was a question that was later changed, when I pointed that spanking was done with or implied a hand and not a device, ie a whip or cane. The question was then changed by the author to the wording device or instrument.

The forth was that poly simply means many and that questionnaire should have said polygamy or polyamourous, and that the authors views appeared bigoted against both as viable personal choices by consenting adults.

I pointed out these obvious problems when asked, to be slammed for daring to disagree that this probably wasn’t the best questionnaire on BDSM or even a reasonable one, and it was likely to make the author look like a fool rather than knowledgably. I told the author of the poll that I wouldn’t like them to lose face in front of friends and acquaintances, and that I would happily assist on Monday when I didn’t have commitments with children and could give the matter my full attention.

I apologised for inadvertently hurting the feelings of the person who created the poll, despite the fact that he asked my opinion then got upset when I was slightly critical. The person stormed off and has ever since behaved appallingly, punishing me for daring to give him not only good advice but for being right.

The author of the poll and I were going to meet in the next week and get to know each other, after  considering each other for a lengthy period of time as potential partners. I had written some small journal entry saying how upset I was at this sort of treatment, and he demanded I remove it from my journal, which I did, just to keep the peace. I didn’t promise not to write something else  and dare I say better *chuckles*

I’d appreciate some feedback, particularly from other masters, if your girl were to be critical of your work; would you punish her for it? Would you break of the relationship because she disagreed with you, not in public but in private and gently, all the while saying she loved you and that everything else of his was so exceptional that this would be lowering people’s opinions of the author of the poll, people who hold him in high regard in the BDSM online community?

Is it wrong to be honest? Because my gut instinct tells me that honesty is the foundation of BDSM that without complete honesty between partners, there is little hope for that relationship to flourish.  Further, I would expect to be punished for doing something wrong, like lying to him. To me that would be as serious a crime against my Dom as cheating on him, unforgivable.


I’m obviously very hurt and confused by all this, I’ve broken up with someone I care about a great deal, or rather he’s broken up with me, and I can only suppose that he really didn’t care, because he wouldn’t be going to this sort of trouble to fuck me over. I’m totally lost as to why anyone who says he loves me would do this to me, especially someone who knows my history.

But this isn’t intended to solicit sympathy, but to get some feedback from Masters/Mistress’s and Dom/me’s as to whether I should have behaved differently.  Would you have been furious at your sub for lying to you? Is integrity more important? IMHO there is no such thing as a little white lie.

Thanks in advance for those who respond.

Cheers

jess



To completely ignore a valid opinion that may bring up valuable information outside one's own perspective is not dominance. It is ignorance and hubris. Such things as a habit are the death of intellect and wisdom. I do not believe, given the information provided, that you were in the wrong .

However human nature being what it is (and ultimately fabulous in its complexity, as well as it's ordinary across the board nature, might I add) one can never be sure of this.  Though having composed many surveys and psychological tests I would also add that such things are sometimes ridiculous. One can never approximate even closely the actual number of answers in any question (providing one does not provide simply a blank space rather than multiple choice answers. Which would provide some difficulty with scoring). It is likely I think that he simply did the best he could. While that is no excuse for a childish reaction, it is not beyond the bounds of understanding that one could take offense. Though such offense would have been misdirected, the true wrong in the end.




MissAnthropic -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/4/2007 4:10:06 PM)

Hi Guys,

I think one of the biggest problems is in written communication, it's so easy to read things that arent there into what is said.  With out voice inflection and body language its so easy to take offense at a small innocent remark.  *sighs* Such is life, I'm afraid I've seen a side of him that I truely don't like at all. Even should he get over it, I'm afraid that there would be no future for us, I'd be constantly watching what I said instead of being myself.

I also think he had an idealised and or romanticised ideal of who I was, and didnt realy take the time to know me. I'm just a normal person with all the usual faults, and I'm afraid he will be lonely if he wont accept that we all have out faults and work through these lil problems.

I appolagised for days, then had enough and said I think we should call it quits. Things have simply gone downhill from there, which is quite sad. I find pride such a strange thing, he seems unable to accept hes overeacted to something trivial. That he's displaying behavior that for me personally places his dominence into question, he's not in control of his own emotions and his own behavior and doesnt have a hope in hell of winning my trust and respect back.




KatyLied -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/6/2007 7:13:59 PM)

He has displayed his behavior in another thread.  Unfortunately.




Grlwithboy -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/6/2007 7:23:42 PM)

I enjoy having a slave who's older than I am, more widely experienced in the world of work than I am and at least as often right about things than I am. It's great having a resource like that to draw on.

I hope this answers your question.





Abraxxas -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/7/2007 12:34:57 AM)

I happen to know the Dominant in question here, and I assure you whats been typed here is not the full story as the saying goes: "Theres always two sides to every story" this was first posted in missanthropic's journal and as you can all see now posted here. It makes me sad to think someone has to misuse a public forum to air their dirty laundry and justify it by trying to make it look like they seek opinions on something as trivial as a poll.
What I do know for sure is the said Dom certainly wouldnt feel the need to retaliate with a reply to a very one sided "version" of the events, there is no mention here of her drunken, disrespectful emails, or lies.
The fact  is, that a simple apology given at the time (not 2 days later) things might have been different. Upon seeing a side of this girl the said Dom decided to finish things, before this budding relationship went any further.
Incidently I have seen the poll and the questions are quite good ones and have been well recieved by the community that the poll was setup for to review.
Sounds to me like sour grapes!




Maya2001 -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/7/2007 3:55:35 AM)

quote:

Sadly he is displaying particularily childish and bitchy behaviour, which I would have said was uncharateristic. He's a very nice bloke, but I suspect there's some underlying insecuritys. I would have happily helped him through them, but he simply wont talk to me, at least not in a mature and reasonable fashionable. Im actually appalled at his behaviour. It was probably best I found out now than further into the relationship.


Had you not went into as much detail and the added to your OP with comments like above I might have considered this truly to be a question of  whether being honest was truly the matter of heart, but some of the included  details and further comments like above  has me viewing your post as nothing but a payback for him dumping you by trying to embarass him publicly, and since he has not posted to the forum  prior to your post suggests you contacted him to rub his face with it aspart of the vengeance,  so just maybe there are 2 black kettles here.  with one being no better than the other




CelticPrince -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/7/2007 5:20:38 AM)

MA,

Just a couple of points, some "D"s do have fragile egos and are senative to negative comments, especially from someone they believe they rule over.

secondly, keeping it offline might have been appropriate.

CP




kc692 -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/7/2007 5:21:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Abraxxas

I happen to know the Dominant in question here, and I assure you whats been typed here is not the full story as the saying goes: "Theres always two sides to every story" this was first posted in missanthropic's journal and as you can all see now posted here. It makes me sad to think someone has to misuse a public forum to air their dirty laundry and justify it by trying to make it look like they seek opinions on something as trivial as a poll.
What I do know for sure is the said Dom certainly wouldnt feel the need to retaliate with a reply to a very one sided "version" of the events, there is no mention here of her drunken, disrespectful emails, or lies.
The fact  is, that a simple apology given at the time (not 2 days later) things might have been different. Upon seeing a side of this girl the said Dom decided to finish things, before this budding relationship went any further.
Incidently I have seen the poll and the questions are quite good ones and have been well recieved by the community that the poll was setup for to review.
Sounds to me like sour grapes!


Just because the thread that very same dom started addressing this very one was pulled does not mean that the rest of us do not remember that the very said dom did in fact make comments and address it.  You said that dom had sour grapes??????  Hmmmm........




MissAnthropic -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/7/2007 11:06:30 PM)

My sincere appolagies to everyone for witness this public display of silliness by someone who shall remain unnamed, but who has volunteered his identity for no apparent reason. I was unaware of him being a forum member at all as he had never posted previously and thus was sure he would be completely unknown and annonymous. I sincerely just wanted advice on my conduct as i found it puzzling to say the least this incredible reaction to an innocent remark. FYI the poll was changed to be slightly more acceptable and corrected of inaccuracies but still has no purpose.

cheers

jess




laurell3 -> RE: BDSM Opinion Poll (12/7/2007 11:07:57 PM)

It's pretty much silly on both your parts at this point in my opinion.




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