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Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/3/2007 6:10:38 PM   
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This one really looks legit. I am impressed. These people are good, but not quite as good as me. They are so good that a little piece of me actually think they might be for real.

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/3/2007 6:12:34 PM   
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(Wanna let us in on the gig....or are you just going to wiggle in your chair on this one?)

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/3/2007 7:50:40 PM   
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Don't get your panties in an uproar Gris, my PC fucked up. Damn XP.

DO NOT CLICK WHAT LOOKS LIKE LINKS IN THIS
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U.S. District Court Settlement Administrator
P.O. Box 290
Philadelphia, PA 19105-0290

PRESORTED
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PAID
SMITH-EDWARDS-DUNLAP

After the adress it has :

U.S. DISTRICT COURT APPROVED REFUND NOTICE

According to the text contained, we are somwehow entitled to a check for $25. It seems they caught themselves overcharging for foreign transactions. This is supposedly a class action lawsuit and if I act quickly I can get a check for a whopping $25.

Option one : Request an Easy Refund of $25. This option is recommended if you traveled outside the US for less than one week or had foreign transactions of less than $2,500 using your eligible cards during the 1996 to 2006 period. OR

Request a Total Estimation Refund based on typical spending during travel and your answers to a few questions about your own travel outside of the U.S. This Option is recommended if you traveled outside the U.S. for more than one week or had transactions of more than $2,500 using your eligible cards during the 1996 to 2006 period. Refunds will be a maximum of 1% of estimated foreign transactions. (Blue Form) OR

Option 3 Resquest a refund based on information you provide concerning your Annual Estimated foreign transactions during the 1996 to 2006 period. This Option is recommended if you had extensive foreign travel or foreign transactions and are willing to provide year-by-year information. Refunds will be a maximum of 1% to 3% of foreign transactions. This is the only option you can use to get a refund for corporate card use.

Enclosed are three forms, one for each Refund Option. You may also online at the Settlement Administrator's website www.ccfsettlement.com, using your Refund ID on the top of this letter. Please note that if the volume of claims is unexpecedly high, it may be necessary to adjust refund amounts.

Please disregard ny earlier Notices that you may have recieved. Additional information is available online at www.ccfsettlement.com or by telephone at 1-800-945-9890.

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I gotta admit, this one looks really good, I doubt I could do better. Got this from my Dad, the one who taught me, and it almost got him. He said "Maybe I should send it in and see if I get a check". I told him no.

Man this guy is good, you should see the document, and the forms. The forms look like tax forms I am impressed. But it is clearly a scam, if for noithing else than to glean information. Notice the target, people who can afford to travel abroad. Moreso people who spend alot of money abroad.

We are joint holders of a couple of credit cards and I can tell you this, neither one of us has ever left the country in our lives. So really all this scammer knows is that we have credit cards, but who doesn't anymore ? Somehow he got the name and address right, but that info could be gotten from damnear anywhere.

You should see this thing, I might scan the forms, how they look, it is just so official looking that I am sure it will fool many. I mean it has blocks for you to update your name, address, all that. Like where you put the numbers in on a 1040.

I am telling you that many many people would be fooled by this, but I see it as a blatant digging for new information. They always want that, they sell it. The only way I caught it is by thinking backwards, thinking about their motives.

There are clues for those who can see them. Now you might just find out part of the reason they call me Terminator.

First of all the barcode is right under the address, not at the bottom of the bifold face, equivalent to an envelope. There is also a barcode right under their return address. There is no logical reason for this, except one, they want to look legit.

I know what the fuck I am talking about here folks. Another thing is that they capitalized the word option. That is another enticement for the stupid.

What's more, I dunno if y'all have any credit cards, but each one of them comes from a bank. A bank that communicates with you monthly. Of course they want their money. If something like this was for real, it would come with your monthly statement. It would say something like "We have been ordered by a federal court to refund you X charges, this will be reflected in your next statement".

Thing that bothers me is that this one is so good, it is going to fool alot of people.

See what you all have to understand is that I grew up in a day and age that you could pretty much trust big companies, but that is no more. This joint could be the biggest law firm in PA and you can't trust them. Believe me. They are doing what is called mining information.

Remember this about ANY piece of mail you get, if they want info, that is because they don't have it. Lemme clue you in on something, and this goes into how it is. Many years ago I got an insurance dealer to sell me car insurance retroactively. He confided in me that they can't get your record. That is why a company known as Choicepoint exists.

Choicepoint provides a database for insurance companies, and since insurance is now mandatory, the law states that they, actually your insurance company is notified when you get a ticket, they in turn tell Choicepoint. This is all legal.

So why did they run this scam ? I can see it. They offer a blanket twenty five bucks to every Tom, Dick and Harry, but if you are willing to provide more info you get more. Hell they might even really cut you a check. But what do they have now ? Another little piece of your privacy.

After while, if you have a brain you don't settle for the $25, so you fill out the form, they send you another form. Then they get details about where you go and for how long.

Out of all the people who respond, they can build a database of those who travel abroad. Those who can afford to do it, and when they do it. Advertisers would cut their own Mother's throat for that kind of information.

Hey pink, are you with me here ? You live close, you might want to come and have a look at this. It is BY FAR the best I've ever seen. I am considering playing them. When they want numbers always make sure at least one number is off, tell then that we frequently fly to Europe and all that. Waste their time.

I really don't like scammers. If I say 5242 instead of 5424 for my Citibank card, how the hell do they know ? Some of us are sharp enough to know that the fiorst four IDs the bank. If you know stuff, you know that 5424 is the beginning number on every Citibank MC. All Visas begin in 4, all MCs begin in 5, American express I am not sure, either they or Discover always starts in 6. I can almost tell your birthday by your SSN, but not quite.

This is the information revolution here friends, and most people give it up freely. I do not. Like any scam, it always starts with an offer, of a check or whatever. Then they get you. You find yourself filling out a hundred pages for $25. That's if you ever get it. How many people send it all in and then forget all about the check because it was only $25 ? That is what they are counting on.

As time goes by you completely forget about it, but they sold your info to whoever and they got their money.

That is how the world works now.

T

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/3/2007 10:46:25 PM   
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Just curious, have you turned any of this over to the police or FBI?

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/3/2007 11:53:38 PM   
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HaveRope, are you kidding me ? they would laugh so hard I would have to hang up to hear the TV, if it were on.

What they are doing may be legal, when they said U.S District Court Approved, that only means so much. That means they have one cite, a published case supporting this. That is all they need.

What one needs to understand is that SMITH-EDWARDS-DUNLAP means nothing. No company name means anything anymore. It could say SQUIRE-SANDERS-DEMPSEY, which used to be one of the most prestigious law firms in Cleveland, but it proves nothing about integrity or honesty. Nothing at all.

In today's day and age you must watch every bill, the gas, the cable and electric. Whoa be unto thee if you have any automatic payments setup. Many times a year they will try to slip new charges on the bill, some surcharge or something. When you see it and call them they say "OK I can take that off for you Mr _____", but if payment is automatic they "automatically" get money for nothing. They can make up anything they want, and frequently do. They count on those who pay them automatically to just give them this money without question, and indeed the sheeple do.

You can't even trust a fucking car dealership. I have seen people driving around thinking they have two years to pay off a $7,000 car at two hundred a month, not knowing that they were only leasing it. People are not all that smart.

A friend of mine, pickup truck doesn't pass emissions. So he gets a commercial plate for it. In this county commercial plates burn in April, his birthday is in November. He got a partial year plate for about what a full year plate should cost. Didn't have a fucking clue. A good friend, a good guy, but didn't have a fucking clue.

Makes me wonder what ahppened to this nation, the one that put a Man on the moon, or did a damngood job of trickery ? What happened here. When I was young we loved telescopes, chemistry sets, electronics kits. We played Monopoly, spades, pinochle and Twister. You hardly ever hear of these things anymore.

What happened ?

T

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/4/2007 12:41:31 AM   
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umm would it be just a bit obvious to point out that people offering you refunds for things you have no clue about are almost if not always scammers...

the word "refund" is a huge red flag....a refund should be for something you bought knowing that you were going to get a refund for it...companies don't give out suprise refunds after the fact, that is just bad business...

edited to add: and the government is even tighter with their money, if you don't think so, ask someone on SSI or SSDI


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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/4/2007 1:02:21 AM   
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That's not a scam.  It's a form letter relating to a class-action lawsuit.

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/4/2007 1:17:25 AM   
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Chelly, you are right. The word refund in and of itself it indicative of a scam. When there is a class action lawsuit you get a settlment check.

Now I wonder how many people are going to fill out the form and get another form asking if they would like their Refund credited directly to their credit card. I wonder how many, because it looks like a tax form, will fill it out, giving not only the card number and expiration date, but the three digit on the back as well as the phone number. Maybe even the PIN code !. As long as it goes in those little boxes it is official right ?

Sure is, if nothing else this is an official intelligence test. And I didn't flunk.

People's perception is more important to them than reality, and when I start my business, my advertising will fully use that theory, and in spades, on steroids, however you want it put. I do not play games to lose, I play to win, and I play for keeps.

I had to type all that shit out, but I thought I would bring it in here because it is one of the best I have ever seen. You just don't understand, I could do even better, but I choose not to. I am not a scammer, but I do have sufficient skill to be. I would just rather earn it.

I would estimate that if I discarded my morals I would be a millionaire within a month. What I could do is way beyond what this dipshit did. It would hurt me in ways I can't explain right now. And that is the reason I brought it up in the first place, so people do not get duped. One like me of course wants to discourage this activity.

Fuck this asshole, he is not stealing a loaf of bread for his tarving family, he has access to a laser printer, and a Pitney Bowes machine. I don't quite think this is  guy who can't afford a pair of shoes.

Like I said you should see this, it is indeed a masterpiece. It is by far the best one I have ever seen, If I get a chance I'll scan it and upload it, I mean I want to meet this asshole. This is nonpariel they say ? Something like that. I bet the person who did it makes some money. I am not even talking about stupid people, even people of average intelligence might be fooled, alot of them. Even people who are smart, but have not lived in my world for 47 years.

Life is a trip, and I don't mean when you take a journey, I mean when you fall down.

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/4/2007 1:19:06 AM   
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LAM, no way, there are too many contraindications.

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/4/2007 5:51:03 AM   
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OK, you can believe whatever you want to believe, but I know for a fact that it's not a scam.  Or just search all the principals named on the disclosure.

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/4/2007 6:28:46 AM   
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I have lead on a scammer. Some guy claimed he was coming to the US with his church to do habitat for humanity- and went on to nigeria spiel. [on messenger]  so whe confronted - i said things like praise the lord- and the will of jesus.  ok- a corrupt govt, -untimely death= i went on about a proper burial....  it waqs a riot lol

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 9:11:52 AM   
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Here's one that popped up at the workplace......guy called to file a report about a death threat he got via e-mail.  Apparently, it stated that someone had hired the sender to kill him, and for X amount of money from the "victim", the hit man wouldn't do it.  Apparently, the last one an employee got was sent to the Forensic Computer guys at DPS (State Police), and they tracked it to Nigeria. 

If I ever got that one, I'd just send 'em back a reply of "Get in line, Dude!  And you'd better be a better shot than I am!"  Go figure!  People are sooooo easy!

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 9:25:02 AM   
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i don't know about scam but received almost word for word a letter like this from the company that holds my student loan. Sallie-Mae.


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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 10:50:21 AM   
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Termyn8or...

This is no scam. It's a notification of a resolution of a class action lawsuit for those eligible credit card holders who may be due a refund as a result of inappropriate currency conversion fee practices by the credit card holders. It is a very valid, legal opportunity for those who have an interest in this to recoup some money back for being overcharged during that ten year period.

You would not see this notification enclosed within your monthly bank card statement unless the district court so ordered it. It's common practice for such notifications to be disseminated in the method you've described; through the legal entities that represented the plaintiffs in the case.

I've received enough of these notifications in my life over a number of different issues: a class-action case against the NEC corporation having to do with CRT monitors; a class-action case against Microsoft for the bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows; another class-action case against Microsoft having something to do with other software products; and one or two others resulting in class-action cases against loan originators for improperly calculating loan interest, thus due a refund.

These notifications are sent to everyone in a particular class of consumer that has done business with the defendant companies during the designated time period. At some point earlier in the case, you should have received a notification that would have allowed you to opt out of being lumped in with the rest of the class; that notification usually was sent in an envelope or other packaging that made it look like junk mail. By not completing that opt out form, you were automatically included in the class, thus a recipient of the current notification.

It's entirely up to you as to whether to participate in the refund program or not. Be aware, though, that if you choose to participate, you will have to give up personal information and possibly proof of the transactions involved using the currency conversion process (otherwise known as international transactions). If you are eligible for the refund and choose not to partake, your rights are limited to the point where you can no longer take your own action against the defendant companies to claim refunds on your own; you would have generally needed to opt out of the class status earlier in the process in order to protect your own rights in that regard (provided your case was significantly different enough to warrant not being part of the class action).

Again, this is not a scam. It is a common practice notification of obtaining what's due as a result of a class action lawsuit.

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 7:05:00 PM   
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So it fooled two of you. Told you it was good.In other words I am still rejecting it for a few reasons.

First of all they did not mention any card numbers or bank names. For this to be legit it would more likely say "if you have a credit or debit card issued from the following banks, and have had a significant amount in foreign transactions you may be entitled to a serttlement pursuant to case number _________________. " . Even for the court to award EVEERY holder of cards from that issuer is not just, and I have some doubt as to whether any court in their right mind would issue such a settlement.

What's more, the court would not order that banks pay into a settlement fund if they were not a defendant in the case. Further they would not order that class action settlements be paid to just everybody, not just those who were wronged.

You see if this case even exists, it's a scam in and of itself. This is PAPERWORK, the defendants were not even hinted to, now I could see if they said "if you have a credit or debit cars issued by Citibank, Capital One, etc. etc, I would say OK. But it applies that ever Ton, Dick and Harry who has a credit card can get $25 for nothing. If a court ordered this, I would be surprised.

There is a possibility that there is a second step, which of course would be to list all of your credit cards to make sure you are eligible. Then when you cash your "bounty, they most likely get one of your bank account numbers. All they have to do is pay for their checks' reurn.

At this point even if there is a real court case, they have gleaned quite a bit of salable information. Think of this, instead of targeting the ones to be setled with, what did they do ? You would think this to be an extreme mass mailing. It would be cheaper to find out who is entitled, and direct the mailings to them.

Now I have an interesting situation that gives me a piece of information others do not have. Never mind that other point at the moment.

I am a joint cardholder on at least six credit cards. The other person does not have ANY credit cards that I am not on, but I do have one that they are not on, I am the sole holder. The other is principle on therr or four and I am principal on three or four. We also have all the major gas cards.

Now why do you suppose I did not get one of these notices ? That is because they got the other's name from other than bank or credit reporting sources., you actually got the notice's name from a mailing list. We live in the same area to say the least, and there is no other reason for this. Remember the lack of specifics.

This lack of specifics along with the fact that I did not get one also, is a RED FLAG.

I am telling you, even if such a court case exists, this company is mining information. This is the information age, it is worth money. Note also the lack of any reference to a case number. Even if the case exists, by not mentioning it we can't determine eligibility.

Any ruling by a court of equity should ask for proof of eligibility. They ask for you to verify name and address on the following pages, which as I said, looks alot like an IRS tax form, with the boxes for your letters, like the IRS has for your numbers. And they do not even have the SSN, and they do not even ask for it.

I'm tempted to say send it in, and see the next form that comes. But then again, no. I would be contributing to their response quotient for this operation. That would be wrong.

And there have NEVER been any international transactions on any of these accounts. This I know for sure.

This is a scam, it might be a legit scam, look at their words " U.S. DISTRICT COURT APPROVED REFUND NOTICE ". And then note the lack of any court refernce at all. Remember I am not saying the case does not exist. This firm could be billing the defendants for their time checking out public response.

Either way, I don't need the $25 so bad I would take the deal.

There is one more reason yet unmentioned. No law exists for the basis of such a trial. Suit may have been brought but there is a tenet of law involved. We are not limited in our ability to contract. Hell it has been debated whether or not you could, by contract, sell youself into indentured slavitude. The legal crux iof that matter is that it would be impossible to enforce without wrongful imprisonment.

Now let's take the case of a credit card. YOu take their money and agree to pay it back. There are charges for certain things. Overdrafts or going over the limit. One of my cards went about a dollar over the limit a couple years ago, and it cost me forty bucks. And it was not even over for a day, next morning a bunch of stuff was returned. This involved buying things with a core charge, along with a few things we didn't need. So for a dollar overnight I paid forty bucks.

You see, that is in the cardholder's agreement. That is what it costs, and that is a contract. As long as no laws are broken, it is enforceable. Therefore they have the right to charge you any amount they want for any service. That means that if they decided they could charge $100 for each foreign transaction, and there is not a thing you can do about it. So even if a suit has been filed, it's not going to win and this law firm is going to have alot of personal info about alot of people.

In my eyes that is a scam.

T

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 7:14:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Chelly, you are right. The word refund in and of itself it indicative of a scam. When there is a class action lawsuit you get a settlment check.
T

I've been part of several "classes" (each were news to me) and I never got a check.  I had to fill out paperwork to get any money (never bothered).

thornhappy, who also got a settlement letter

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 8:06:34 PM   
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If it's a scam, it's among the most elaborate ones I've ever seen.

If one Googles ccfsettlement.com, there are many pages which comment on it and many who have investigated it.  From one site I gleaned the following site related to discussion of the topic:
http://www.creditcards.com/preliminary-approval-granted-in-credit-card-foreign-currency-transaction-fee-settlement.php
or
http://snipr.com/1utwr

The ccfsettlement.com website is registered to a huge Philadelphia certified public accounting firm with matching information on their standard web site ( http://www.heffler.com/ )  There was also a link to the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (say that five times fast, I dare ya!) and the judge, William H. Pauley's page there.

On searching the Motley Fool's site, I ran across a couple of postings on their forums which also seem to authenticate the case, including a link (now apparently defunct but still retrievable through Google's cached copy ( http://snipr.com/1utxq ) (original at  http://www.jpml.uscourts.gov/Pending_MDLs/Antitrust/MDL-1409/mdl-1409.html ) which indicate the case was transferred to the United States Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation in 2001.

Here's a link to the Motley Fool's discussion: http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=25494081&sort=whole&terms=ccfsettlement&vstest=search_042607_linkdefault
or
http://snipr.com/1utyd

I guess the final word is that you should always be careful when looking at these sorts of things and always with a grain of salt and a magnifying glass.  Throw them away if you feel the need but if you want to, also be prepared to do a LOT of homework.






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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/5/2007 9:33:46 PM   
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The question remains, why didn't they send it to me ?

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/6/2007 6:47:36 AM   
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I thought I sen a form that Canadian sales tax could be re-imbursed to -if an American paid it. [great grammar...lol]

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RE: Scams, this one is good, one of the best. - 12/6/2007 4:55:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

OK, you can believe whatever you want to believe, but I know for a fact that it's not a scam.  Or just search all the principals named on the disclosure.


He's right - it's not a scam, but a class action lawsuit settlement.  I got one today and confirmed it.  Why don't you call your credit card company and ask? 

Edited to add:  You don't have to disclose any additional financial or personal information to submit two of the three refund options.

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