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Re : Satanists - 12/3/2007 10:42:53 PM   
Termyn8or


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I do not care if you are Satanist or what, notice how I capitalized that word.

Here is what you do. Don't take my shit or fuck me up, I will do the same for you. I do not care if you worship Satan, Jesus or a fucking brick. You can worship your olady's panties for all I care. Be cool with me and I will be cool with you.

But some don't see it that way.

While I don't want those who did not understand this to be belittled, and I also do not want to bore those who do, certain things must be said.

Religious people believe because they want to. This is irrefutable, because damnear nothing can be proven. Now if you want to believe something, there are certain psychological things going on. First of all you want to believe more.

Secondly you want others to believe with you, thus people who won't shut the fuck up. When Christian, they feel as though they are some sort of messiah, bringing the word to the world, as if 80% of us hadn't already rejected it. They think that they can make a difference, save a soul.

I know it is not right, we all know that. But people will do it anyway. What happened is that they weren't really taught, they were indoctrinated.

Just what does it mean to believe "in" something ? Doesn't that patently mean that you do not believe it ? When you believe in something you have given up logic, you have fallen into a belief that is not proven to you, and there is no evidence, but you believe it anyway. If you are the type of person who does this, no amount of logic can undermine your brainwashing.

People who buy into the bullshit generally do not succeed. They are busboys and cab drivers, laborers and other types of grunt. They think God is going to take care of them. They think that is they shot a few people when they were young but it is all forgiven.

This is from a self centeredness they get from religion. They think Jesus can forgive them for killing Fred. In reality the only one who can forgive you for killing Fred is Fred, but then Fred is dead so he can't.

Christianity gives people a blanket to hide under, an alter-reality. They never come to grips with the crimes they have commited, they ignore the guilt. Let me tell you something, the only reason I do not go do what I used to do is guilt. I remember every minute of the nasty shit I did. I live with that. There is no way Joshua bar Joseph can forgive me, I did nothing to him, it is not up to him.

All you have to do is be the nastiest MF in the world, take everything you can get, step on everyone to get what you want, and then on your death bed repent. Everything is fine. Folks, I almost puked as I typed that.

I am a Man, and I mean in the mind. I do not want universal forgiveness, even if it means going to hell. I'll take mine if they get theirs. I mean people who have raped the environment, the people, and the good name of this country, Satan, chain me up right next to them, that I can bear my punishment.

You read it. Perhaps you have gleaned by now, that I do not want, nor will I ask for forgivness. But here is the thing, universal forgivness is bulshit. I do not want the politicians and the rich to be let go, I want to see them pay for the crimes they did not pay for in life, in death.

Actually the Christian doctrine has been perverted, and now contributes to many people's hell on Earth. People think they can do anything thery want because they are of a certain religion. Poppycock. Let them die of cancer.And there is alot of that going on.

Let me put it plain and fucking simple, you are personally responsible for everything you do, and anyone who tells you otherwise is completely full of shit. It may sound good but it is not reality.

Any Satanists around ? I know what Chriostianity says, but what about Satanism ? I would say most likely Satan says you will pay for your sins, that is why he set hell up. To me, a diety like that should result in better people, people who might just fucking think before they act.

But Christianity teaches us that we are all children. Fuck all that. I am 47 and have gotten to the point where I am as smart as most Jews. They know the score, but then so do I. You couldn't sell me Christianity if you gave me a million bucks to take it.

Buddy of mine told me "Don't try to sell that shit to a grown Man". Same with Satanism, both of these things are complete myths, don't you understand ? Neither exists. You can't believe them, you have to believe in them.

Even Satanists are dumb as a box of rocks. Satan is just as mythical as anything else. Draw the pentagram on the floor and get stupid with some chicken blood. It means nothing, unless it means something to you. In that case the box of rocks will be administering your IQ test.

I am only going to say this a few times, so get your reading ears on.

NOTHING IS SUPERNATURAL.

If you die and go to the perly gates and St Peter is indeed standing there, there is nothing supernatural, that is a part of nature.

If your Grandmother who has been dead for ten years flys down and helps you fix a flat tire on your car, that is not supernatural. If you see a ghost who tells you the combination to a safe that nobody knows, that is not supernatural.

This all by definition. Once we accept that definition, that is that if it happens on Earth it is natural, the least of conclusions, it then follows that we do not know everything, even about our environment. And this is true. Common knowledge.

What happens when we shed these notions and really get down to reality ? We start to look. We start to see. We learn to understand things that leave others beffuddled. We start to think CLEARLY.

I am not a Satanist, nor am I a Jesusist. Some people would have you think that it's one or the other but it is not. It is for me and me alone to forgive those who have wronged me, sometimes I do, other times I don't. But that is MY perogative, not that of someone who died 2,000 years ago. It is MY choice, noone else's.

At least Satanists do not try to shove that bullshit down your throat about forgiveness. I can forgive, but I do it when I see fit. And if ever wrong you, I look for forgivweness from you, not some statue or picture on the fucking wall. If I wrong you in some way, you and only you can forgive me. That's it.

There is alot more to this, but if I keep it up, this post will be ten pages. Let's put it this way, we get in a car wreck. There is no insurance. I pay for your cast because I broke your leg. I come over and help you motivate and do what you have to do. I would do that, in a perfect world. But in this world I would call a lawyer who does not eat pork. Business is business.

And mentioning that he does not eat pork is apparently racist now, fuck all that. Grow a fucking skin.

And let me make it known now, I am not pussyfooting around here anymore. I will talk about who I want to talk about. Took me a while, but I know the rules. Even Mod11 isn't going to kick me off for "doesn't eat pork". It took me a while to learn the rules, but I have a whole hell of alot to say about Israel, I'll get around to it. And I will do it without insulting anyone or putting anyone down. Abe Foxman might not be pleased, but I will get it done.

Like Dalton in the movie "Roadhouse", I will always be nice. As head of the bouncers he said "until it is time not to be nice". One of them asked "How do we know when ?". Dalton replied "You don't know, I'll let you know".

Just so you know, if I wasn't being nice I would be thrown off here. My opinions are so out of mainstream they shock people. My opinion on abortion, murder, euthenasia and many other things.

So let some Jesus freak copy this text and put it somewhere to prove that I am a Satanist. What I have written here is not proof of that to any sane person. The only one little trifle of evidence is that I capitalize the word. But I usually capitalize the words man and woman, but there is a certain rule to that. But because I capitalize the word satanist I am one. Notice I did not. That is because I am talking about the word. A Satanist is a person, and has every right to be what they are as I do to be what I am.

I will be happy to debate any Christian who wants to paint us like that, and I am probably the best Man for the job. If it gets down to the nitty gritty, this MF who is my opponent had better be damn good. If it goes down, history stands with me Because it is a proven fact that Christians have fucked up the world, killed people, even entire races, all on the word of their God, which none of them have heard. On the other hand Satanists pretty much do not bother anyone.

Has anyone ever heard of an extremist Satanist ? I mean of you are in their house you MUST use the fork with your left hand, pet their black cat, shit like this ? If you eat there instead of saying grace you are forced to participate in some ritual involving a goat's head ?

Perhaps I should become a Satanist. It really means just as much nothing as going the other way, but I think I would meet alot more interesting people.

Back the truck up here a second, I just said perhaps I should become a Satanist. This in response to something written, supposedly, by a Christian. Now who's the lamebrain ?

This was just a passing thought, but in expressing it did I impel anyone to consider becoming a Christian ?

Case fucking closed, for now.

T

BTW, that doesn't mean my mind is closed or that I do not want responses, even flames. But if you can't refute the base logic you are wasting your time. I am not going to become a Satanist any more than I am going to become an Easterbunnyist.

Figuratively, when you take this whole ball of wax out of your mind and let some air in there, you can see things. You learn. You learn real stuff, no more bullshit.

And there is one other thing, if we are indeed Satanists, we are in good company and we should all be rich. It is said, and not denied I might add, that Bush and Co. are. All of them. Bohemian grove, all that. But I don't care. What they do in their off time does not concern me, they can drink chicken blood out of a goat's ass for all I care. But when you get to the office support and defend the country goddammit !

Satanists indeed. If that's the case, Satanists can be the best people you ever met. Or the worst. Hmmmm, where have I heard that before ?

Hail------------

What would be the proper saying there ? Come on, someone must know in this evil organisation here.Plus, what do we say to each other in the waiting room for hell ?

Now you see why I sometimes start a "Re" thread. It is entirely possible that nobody wants a piece of this one.

Be well.

T
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RE: Re : Satanists - 12/4/2007 12:47:41 PM   
youngsubgeoff


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these are called the 9 satanic statements. this is basically what the "church's" doctrine is.

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
 
Basically, they use satan as a figurehead, sort of how the royal family works in the UK. If you want to know more, heres theyre website.
 
http://www.churchofsatan.com

note: I am not a member of the church of satan, mainly because I do not wish to pay the membership fee.

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RE: The Too-Long Rant - 12/4/2007 1:55:03 PM   
Lumus


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The Bible represents concepts that various religions [Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity] translate to varying degrees.  Notice the word:  translate.

Read my story about being a minister's son in Argh.  You'll see from that story that I am not a man who is religious by nature.  I'm versed well enough to tackle your post, though.

Every single thing you've listed as something you dislike about Christianity is in and of itself a debate in the religious community.  Not everyone chooses to translate things in the same way.  Forgiveness?  Well, research the arguments still going on about turning the other cheek as opposed to an eye for an eye.  Some of them stem from quotes in the book of Mormon.

Similarly, the concept of absolution is by no means absolute.  Catholicism embraces the idea, but Judaism isn't so hot about it - they'd rather see sincerity in the request for absolution.  Sincerity, in this case, means that all those bad things you did are things you have to recognize as bad, and be willing to repent for.  Even repenting takes on a new meaning if you dabble in Dante's Inferno.

Supernatural occurances are, by most of the aforementioned religions, defined as unnatural acts actually brought about by Satan, not God - with the inference that Satan creates the act in order to lead men away from God.  That type of thinking is what eventually brought about the dark history of Salem.

So now we're back to translation.  Ignoring the argument about whether God is real or not for a moment, the mere mortals who try to follow the moral edicts illustrated in the Bible [or Torah, if you prefer] all define said edicts under different lights.  If atrocities are committed using the excuse of God, are you going to blame the concept of a universal force or the likely mentally ill person who incited the atrocity?  If I suffer from a mental illness and say God told me to do it, then lose my religion and say Mary down the street made me do it, would you yell at Mary?

No one has to embrace any ideology.  Those who choose to do so may be overly optimistic - but you can't equate optimism with stupidity.  "Positive people are retards" is catchy, but I doubt it'll fly.  Why?  Well, let me ask, have you never committed a positive act in your life?  If you did, were you a retard for doing it?  Perhaps, then, attacking an idealism promotes an ideal in and of itself if we assign it the strength of an absolute.

Be a Christian.  Be a Satanist.  Worship Rupert for all I care.  I would ask one thing, though.  Take the time to consider what I've said here.  If you don't like it, c'est la vie.  At least you can then say you've given another viewpoint consideration.

I know, you probably have no desire to do so, this was probably just meant as a rant.   Well, you asked for responses, I gave one.  So there.  Nanner nanner poo poo.



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Satanists - 12/4/2007 2:37:30 PM   
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Supernatural occurances are, by most of the aforementioned religions, defined as unnatural acts actually brought about by Satan, not God - with the inference that Satan creates the act in order to lead men away from God.

This position doesn't stand up well to challenge. God not only is the cause - but wants the credit, per his book, for such things as the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, the killing of Egypt's first born, flooding the planet - save for one family and its pets, and, in one of his more 'playful' moments his interaction with Job.

Too old testament? Consider the demarcating 'New Testament' events. One of the local celebrations of the birth of Jesus was the death thousands of babies ordered by Herod; maybe he got the idea from his religious upbringing and study of the old testament. The death of Jesus Christ on the cross wasn't caused by him forgetting his safe-word. God needed to make a point by killing his 'son' in order to establish a religion whose poster child should be one of its priests sexually abusing an alter boy? Of course suffering always seemed important to the Catholics and I'm grateful to have 16 years of Catholic education providing much that I now drawn upon for both humiliation and impact play.

Religions have us rationalizing and accepting behavior from a god that would result in people crucifying the poster if such behavior was directed to a submissive or slave. This all knowing, all powerful, creation of humanity's self doubt results in more death and destruction daily than all the secular sources combined. But your argument is that it's satin behind all religious based evil done in the various names of god? If so maybe your worship is misplaced, or is it you just preference worshiping the weaker power? Any god with the power to destroy cities, and kill babies should have the ability to stop or at least curtail any counter move by a defrocked angel of his own creation. Good thing Michael was around for that original battle huh?

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Be a Christian. Be a Satanist. Worship Rupert for all I care.  I would ask one thing, though. Take the time to consider what I've said here. If you don't like it, c'est la vie. At least you can then say you've given another viewpoint consideration.
That's a good way to end this post too.

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RE: Satanists - 12/4/2007 3:18:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Satanists was the title of this thread. Is your belief and need to compel others to subscribe to religion so strong that even the adversary of your god can not be mentioned?



I don't know whether this was directed to my post, but going on that assumption, my only response would be this:  I don't encourage anyone to believe in anything but themselves.  I will relate, do my best to see how they perceive their chosen beliefs, but I'm fervently against compelling anyone to pick up religion, the same way I'm against telling people they can only think one way.  It's just not me.  That's why I'm cool with people who call themselves Christian or Satanists or Wiccans or [insert label here].  That's their thing, not mine, and I'm not about to make them something else...what's the point?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

This position doesn't stand up well to challenge. God not only is the cause - but wants the credit, per his book, for such things as the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, the killing of Egypt's first born, flooding the planet - save for one family and its pets, and, in one of his more 'playful' moments his interaction with Job.



Even my father, when he was a minster, would make this statement:

"And who wrote the Bible?  Why, men did."

The media can tell you a story and you can assume it's true.  Or, you can look at the reporters.  I have personally found more compelling rhetoric wrapped around the idea that old men who wanted to control the masses used religion to do precisely that.

Never mind the man behind the curtain.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The death of Jesus Christ on the cross wasn't caused by him forgetting his safe-word.



Don't be so sure.  Rumour has it that the safe-word was actually a catch-phrase:

"Pansy Romans, think that hurts?!"

Meh.  Maybe Jesus was a SAM.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I'm grateful to have 16 years of Catholic education providing much that I now drawn upon for both humiliation and impact play.



I have several friends in the scene who are Catholic that have aped those very words.  Who am I to argue?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Religions have us rationalizing and accepting behavior from a god that would result in people crucifying the poster if such behavior was directed to a submissive or slave. This all knowing, all powerful, creation of humanity's self doubt results in more death and destruction daily than all the secular sources combined.



I beg to differ.  Men using religion as an excuse have committed atrocities.  Again - who are you going to blame, the invisible entity or the actual perpetrator?

o/` You do it to yourself, you do...you and no one else... o/`

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

If so maybe your worship is misplaced, or is it you just preference worshiping the weaker power?



Umm...I'm not religous.  My views on religion are printed in black and white on Argh.  Give me a moment to go to the testing forums; I'll find out how to make a link, then jaunt back here and make a link to the post for you...since you clearly didn't take the time to find it and read it...

I appreciate your points, but I think they came from the assumption that I'm some kinda Jesus freak, which I don't remotely resemble.  That's the purpose of this response, clarification.

Edited to add - Here's the link; I have yet to learn how to make it look like just a word, but this will serve in a pinch:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1208040/mpage_862/key_temple/tm.htm#1450540

You may have to scroll down some.  You'll have to forgive the newbie linker.



< Message edited by Lumus -- 12/4/2007 3:24:37 PM >

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RE: The Too-Long Rant - 12/4/2007 4:03:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lumus

Every single thing you've listed as something you dislike about Christianity is in and of itself a debate in the religious community.  Not everyone chooses to translate things in the same way.  Forgiveness?  Well, research the arguments still going on about turning the other cheek as opposed to an eye for an eye.  Some of them stem from quotes in the book of Mormon.


Since you're replying to geoff's reply to the OP,  I'm going to play Devil's Advocate(pun intended) here and state that he really wasn't listing things he disliked about Christianity.  He was listing what Anton's lil clusterfuck list as their "Satanic Statements".

Also,  let's remember there's a difference between members of the Church of Satan ( LaVeyan Satanists) and "devil worshippers" ( ie Theistic Satanists ).  LaVeyan Satanists usually don't even believe in a spiritual being commonly called Satan.  They're more hedonistic than diabolical.  Of course,  the more frothymouthed of the biblethumpers would consider anything not of their own congregation as being "of Satan".

Theistic Satanists,  those who actually worship the biblical Satan,  would more correctly be called a very twisted offshoot of Christianity.  After all,  to believe in the being one would have to believe in the rest of the mythology which created him.

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ORIGINAL: Lumus
Be a Christian.  Be a Satanist.  Worship Rupert for all I care.  I would ask one thing, though.  Take the time to consider what I've said here.  If you don't like it, c'est la vie.  At least you can then say you've given another viewpoint consideration.


Other points of view are always amusing to take a look at.  I see it as getting future ammunition.

Personally,  I give less than a damn what others believe or practice.  The only time it matters to me is when it harms others.

Then again,  take what I say with a grain of salt.  After all,  I derive great pleasure from mindfucking proselytizers who come to my door.  Disturb me in my home in order to "pass on the glory of the word" and I'll do my very best to cause you to question your own faith simply for my own amusement.







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RE: The Too-Long Rant - 12/4/2007 4:26:10 PM   
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Since you're replying to geoff's reply to the OP,  I'm going to play Devil's Advocate(pun intended) here and state that he really wasn't listing things he disliked about Christianity.  He was listing what Anton's lil clusterfuck list as their "Satanic Statements".



Fair enough.  I got a "Christians can go fuck themselves" vibe and thus did wear the mask of the Advocate Devil, like yourself.

*hands you a pamphlet*

*waits for it*



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RE: The Too-Long Rant - 12/4/2007 5:16:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lumus

*hands you a pamphlet*

*waits for it*



Why thank you. 

* files it in with the Chick Tracts,  Mormon pamphlets,  North Korean propoganda pamphlets and other hilarity which I've collected over the years. *


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