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lovingpet -> Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 7:44:40 PM)

I am wondering if anyone can give me insight into what a submissive who has been abused can potentially anticipate experiencing if release to subspace occurs.  I realize the answers will be as different as the individuals that experience it, but hope to reassure someone who is hesitant to let go because she does not know what to expect given her past.  As this is the first question I have posted on the messageboards, I apologize for the intimate and intimidating nature of it.  I only hope I will be able to gain insight that will help her experience this new life to its fullest.

Kind Regards,
lovingpet




domahpet -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 7:47:11 PM)

hi pet. i just hope your Dom is aware of your past and will be able to care for you no matter where you may go....
he will need to be prepared for anything, depending on your level of past abuse.
good luck to you
~Pet




lovingpet -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 7:59:26 PM)

Thank you for your caring post.  That responsibility will fall on my shoulders, however, as I will be dominating a close friend of mine.  I will take all the precautions and aftercare I can, but want to be prepared for what she may experience.

I have not been to subspace myself yet, so really have no idea what it is like in the first place and given her history, I am all the more concerned.

Thank you again for your kind words.

lovingpet 





angelikaJ -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 8:09:47 PM)

Little things can mean alot: warm blankets, fluids to drink...but also being aware of what her possible triggers may be going into it.
From my perspective the quality that makes me feel the safest is the ability for someone to just be present with me...in the moment.




lovingpet -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 8:16:03 PM)

Thank you for your post.  I only hope that in this process she will find healing and the ability to trust fully once again.  I want to be there for her any way I can and informed of what her needs will be.

lovingpet




angelikaJ -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 9:40:55 PM)

has she had any type of therapy?

and an observation from my experience.. tenderness can trigger deep emotions for me... it will be different things and on any given day the outcome of any act is unpredictable... .

She is lucky to have you.

jenn




laurell3 -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 9:44:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I am wondering if anyone can give me insight into what a submissive who has been abused can potentially anticipate experiencing if release to subspace occurs.  I realize the answers will be as different as the individuals that experience it, but hope to reassure someone who is hesitant to let go because she does not know what to expect given her past.  As this is the first question I have posted on the messageboards, I apologize for the intimate and intimidating nature of it.  I only hope I will be able to gain insight that will help her experience this new life to its fullest.

Kind Regards,
lovingpet


If I understand your question correctly you are afraid a past abuse will surface during subspace?  For me personally, subspace isn't like hypnosis, it's more like a natural floating high feeling where you have no cares or worries.  It's never brought up any bad memories for me, in fact, quite the contrary. 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 10:18:34 PM)

In the centering beginning part of the scene, simply take her mind to a calm and safe spot, reinforcing an order that all past issues will remain aside- that if they come up, they will simply fall back again, not repressed but simply left alone for now and that if she gets upset, she is to communicate it to you and allow you to handle it.  Something akin to hypnosis, but more direct and dominant.

Half of the problem with these issues is that the sub feels bad for "ruining a good scene" due to her issues.  If you can allay those fears to start with that even if the scene ends 10 minutes after it starts that it's not going to be a problem that will help as well.

But be sure you are ready for these waters, some people really are too fucked up to be playing.




breatheasone -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 10:22:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I am wondering if anyone can give me insight into what a submissive who has been abused can potentially anticipate experiencing if release to subspace occurs.  I realize the answers will be as different as the individuals that experience it, but hope to reassure someone who is hesitant to let go because she does not know what to expect given her past.  As this is the first question I have posted on the messageboards, I apologize for the intimate and intimidating nature of it.  I only hope I will be able to gain insight that will help her experience this new life to its fullest.

Kind Regards,
lovingpet

Wow...I'm not even gonna touch this one(my sexual history isnt exactly pretty)....but my Master has some interesting "subspace" tales we have been through already. He handled what happened with caring and grace. I honestly believe most men would have not wanted to continue to see me.[:(]




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 10:41:55 PM)

Subspace (or, more generically non-ordinary reality) is such an individual thing, there's no real way to say she will go here and here and feel this and this. In a lot of ways, she will just have to let go and jump. But, read my sig. :-)

Master Fire




decstorm37 -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/4/2007 11:31:16 PM)

It all depends. I was raped as a kid, got therepy for it,and moved on. Or so i thought,about a yr ago i found out one thing i can not stand is to have my shoulder pinned down and to have someone on my chest. I am 37 now and was 9 when i was raped. Did not know this was an issue. Until the guy i was with pinned me down and was on my chest. Lets just say it was not pretty at all for him or me. 
The reason i bring this up is you or she may not know what will trigger something for her. Just take your time with her and watch her body for signs on how things are going for her. If she is able to talk about the abuse maybe talk to her about the details of if,but only if she can talk about it. Hope this makes sense to you. I wish you the best in this.




Stephann -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 10:01:54 AM)

The first few times will be hardest.  Both you and your partner should know this.

Getting past that first four or five times, will give you new, hopefully healthy and positive experiences to go on.  I believe that's critical for getting past abuse.

Stephan




charlotte12 -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 10:58:46 AM)

I'm not sure why exactly i freak out but sometimes i do. It is usually harder the first few times with someone new and after a while i start to trust more fully that i'm safe with them. This is not to say that issues stop coming up but i am usually much more able to get out of the negative space quickly. What helps me is when Master holds me just lets me cry. I need to feel his strength in those moments without feeling like i'm being forced to do anything. Usually these things are not triggered in subspace though. I tend to "feel weird" as i call it either before i even make it to subspace or after i come down from it.

My main words of advice would be to listen to her. Some people need to be comforted and held but some need to be given some space for a while. I always want him to just hold me without talking for a bit. Because i seem distant he might ask me if i want him to leave but i never do. It's nice just to know that he's there and we'll get through it together. As i feel more safe with him and trust that we can work through the hard spots they become less powerful. :)




DesFIP -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 11:01:28 AM)

I have never had a bad episode as a result of subspace. I have had emotional triggers hit during play, but then I certainly don't space. If she knows what is most likely to cause flashbacks, then avoid those until she feels ready to tackle them.




lovingpet -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 11:53:08 AM)

I must say that I am thankful for all the replies I have received so far.  I see by the numbers that there are far more folks visiting this thread than are posting.  My guess this is a needed subject for many, but not all are comfortable with sharing.  These wonderful people have given of themselves to post these comments on such a difficult subject with hopes that others can benefit from what they write.  I hope any visitor will consider sharing or posing further questions for discussion that may be helpful.  You are all lovely people and we appreciate the help that is being given.

lovingpet




lovingpet -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 12:02:39 PM)

She has had some therapy, but she is finding that there are new things still surfacing that she had no memory of.  I have been her best friend for some time.  This is just a new phase of our relationship.  We hope that the experiences we have together can bring deeper intimacy to our friendship.  We both have past issues of varying kinds and have helped each other through a lot already.  I only want to hasten her healing, not traumatize her further.  I want her to experience good in life again.

Thanks,
lovingpet 




lovingpet -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 12:05:51 PM)

I hope I have not upset you with this question.  I am glad you have a Master that is so understanding of you and cares enough to be supportive.  I hope this can be the way for us as well.  Thank you for taking the time and emotional investment to write.

lovingpet




carlie310 -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 1:11:28 PM)

Fast Reply:
I'm one of those who has been checking in for responses. But since you invited me to share, and I just love the sound of my own fingers typing. . .

I have no real life sub experience, but am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, so am very interested in what others have to say.  I've spent a lot of time, money and energy dealing with my abuse, which ended over 20 years ago. I don't know exactly what 'subspace' is, because it seems to have something in common with Schrodinger's cat in that it can't be adequately described until you open that box for yourself.  Jumping off of something that LA said, though I know that in times past, when I've been triggered and had an out of proportion response to something, whether in more vanilla sex or something more random, the more tender/caring the other person involved is, the easier it is to deal with.  That's something I'll be up front and tell any person with whom I'm intimate, but particularly a play partner. Most abusers blame the victim--you did this to me, etc.  Taking the blame becomes a natural reaction.  But really, there's no shame in being triggered; everyone has hot buttons on their psyche.

She may begin to deal with issues she'd thought she'd put behind her.  When I move to new phases in my life, my view of the past changes and I can see different facets of the abuse that may be painful, but become positive over time.  It's a spiral staircase; you pass through the same points on the cycle, but are a little higher up each time.

The last thing I want to say is a thought that I've had as I've read other threads on abuse survivors here, about the supposed causal relationship between being a sub and sexual abuse.  I don't know if there is one, I can only speak out of my own experience.  For me, my sub tendencies predate my abuse, but they also set me up as a prime target for being victimized.  (In the threads I've seen, the speculation of causality is that the abuse caused the sub tendencies.)

I doubt that anyone here will be edified by what I've typed, but at the same time, knowing that someone else has made it through does help.  If your friend hasn't read The Courage to Heal I highly suggest it.  I don't agree with everything in it--it's just a book, not holy writ--but it is a good source overall.




goodgirl08 -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 1:16:08 PM)

I hope she is really ready for it...sometimes healing shouldn't be hastened, know what I mean? You know her the best but I hope she is not turning to this as a desperate effort but rather something she is preparing for...it definitely sounds like you are doing your best to prepare for it though.




burningdesires47 -> RE: Sexual Abuse and Subspace (12/5/2007 2:04:37 PM)

I was abused as a child, when I was 6-8, and raped again at age 20, both by very trusted individuals in my life. My first Domme was trying to train me right around the time I seriously started facing my childhood abuse (at 16/17), when I was still surfacing repressed memories. We parted ways amicably, both agreeing that I was not ready to train until I had healed some.

At 23 I have conquered most of the problems... I don't have flashbacks or panic attacks in general "vanilla" life or dating or sex anymore, but BDSM scenes are still difficult. I've had a few along the way with friends and lovers, but no consistent Doms and never been involved in the community until this year.

I know my triggers, for the most part, though I expect a few surprises once I get more in depth with the play. I have a lot of practice getting thru those moments of panic, and letting myself not feel guilty about them as they happen--but that's almost 8 years of active effort to get to this point, and I've still yet to have an intended scene (versus kinky sex) where I didn't at least hesitate at least once due to my past. I'm finally to the point where I don't have flashbacks at all, but I am occasionally slammed with emotion that seems to come from nowhere.

Being comforted is helpful. NOT being pressed to respond in any way, but being made welcome to as I'm ready is important--it's very difficult to talk sometimes when I'm flooded with emotion and memories, at all, let alone about what I'm feeling. Sometimes talking about it just makes it worse, less therapeutic, not better. Also, it being assumed that the scene will stop and not restart makes it very difficult... sometimes you have to get right back up on the horse or else you just never will. But taking it at her (my) cue is always the best idea... I try to indicate my desire to continue in a way that doesn't put pressure on either of us to make a big deal out of continuing... if that makes any sense. More that it's better for me to slip right back into it rather than give me the opportunity to over-think restarting the scene.

For example... Bondage is a very nerve-wracking trigger for me, but also one of my favorite pleasures--until I have played with one person for a while and can grow more comfortable with them, I require any bondage to have a way for me to get myself out (because if I panic I may not be able to say I need out, or a safe word, or anything at all, which just ends up building the panic. But if I just let myself go, I can usually calm down and get back to it). During a scene, I was cuffed, and panicked, and simply let myself out for a minute... cried for a minute, got myself calmed down, and asked to be re-bound. I was, and the scene continued with little more than a comment about him being proud of me.

Putting too much emphasis, constantly reminding me that I have this reason to be scared, almost makes it harder to deal with. I have to be able to tell myself that this is a part of me no more and no less important than any other part of me.

Of course, there are triggers I may never be able to completely shake. These are the things that even thinking about them makes my heart skip a beat, my throat start to close, and not in a good way.


I suspect the fear of subspace is more the fear of letting her mind wander unbidden--keeping control over the thoughts you let yourself think is certainly an aspect of dealing with the abuse. However, there's a difference between DEALING with it and IGNORING it, and peace comes from the acceptance that there really is an elephant on the coffee table. You acknowledge it, maybe you try to shove it outside, or coax it to go away, but eventually you just move your chair so you can see the TV and toss it some peanuts occasionally.

Now maybe drinking tea with the memories of past abuse isn't the most likely outcome (or even goal), but trusting herself enough to get thru it is difficult--turning the fear and anger and yes even guilt into a weapon or motivation can be downright paralyzing. There is no room for hesitation, and coaxing her will make it harder on her. If you both can consider this her journey, on which you are simply moral support, I think you'll be infinitely more successful.

Be there for her to help her pick up the pieces. Have comfort foods at the ready, warm blankets, good movies, and nothing strenuous or social planned for afterward--she may decide she wants to get out, but the need to withdraw into the quiet of one's own mind to process emotions shouldn't be cut short by social plans and the pressure to be conversational and happy--or anything, if possible. Be ready to make decisions for her if needbe. I feel so stupid being asked questions that should be so simple (Do you want red jello or orange jello? Do you want a blanket? water? nap? movie?) and being overwhelmed by so much information, let alone having to decipher it AND make a decision. Drape her with a blanket--she can always shrug it off. Bring her the jello--if she truly wants the other kind, that's actually a MUCH easier decision to make. The water won't go bad if it sits for her to sip later.


That's the insight and advice I have... hope it can help someone. Also please feel free to ask me questions, I'm pretty open about my experiences, but I avoid getting explicit without prompting because it can be a trigger for others.




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