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Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 7:10:09 AM

lovethewhip

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What is the purpose of a contract between a Master and slave? What type of kinds should one include in a contract? Are term limits acceptable, i.e. a one year contract?

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 7:32:42 AM

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To solidify agreements that have been negotiated, the I will do and you will do.
Limited life agreements are common.

What should be included, if you go the contract route is the major agreements, then the ommissions and act of god clauses (what you gonna do when the house burns down kinda thing..yanno, the shit you didnt think of or some overwhelming thing like you get sick and are on bedrest) in other words, there has to be a structure in place for problem resolution and negotiation of the unforseen.

There is alot more, or alot less, it depends entirely on you two (or three, whatever)

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 8:01:57 AM

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There has already been an proper answer to your question. I'll like to add a comment though.
The contract itself is part of the life style. The contract is also a strong mental part of it. Signing the contract is a step up the D/s ladder. Knowing that there is "a bound set of rules" that one cannot escape until a certain agreed day tickles and triggers your mind so much more.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 8:34:30 AM

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The only time I have used them and the only time I have seen others use them that made sense to me is short term relationships that have various boundary issues that made sense to put down on paper so that the relationship was clearly defined.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 8:49:07 AM

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Just remember that the important part is what you are doing now,negotiating the contract.
The final document is of minimal importance because it mearly represents what you have negotiated and agreed to.
Don't rush through the process, because it is the process that is important much more so than the finished document.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 8:54:56 AM

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Personally I think they are worthless.......
I believe in direct communication in understanding how it is i am choosing to live, taking the initiative to ask, knowing full well what I am getting into. A piece of paper is not going to remind me of that.

However.....I have quite a few friends that use a contract, it works for them. If it is something that people believe they need or want, then lay it out and go for it. It is not part of "the life style" as many call it...there is no ladder to climb up to. Remember.....what works for you, may not work for another person. Do what you both feel comfortable doing. It is your life.......not ours.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 9:01:11 AM

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Contracts are only as strong as the paper they are written on. Think of pre-nups?

The only binding contract is the effort that you and a partner put into a relationship for as long as that relationship lasts. That effort to me, is the contract, everything else is just show.

As in all things, actions speak louder than words, or paper.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 9:21:07 AM

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I agree with whats been said....imho they are useless, and non enforceable. Contracts are not a part of the "lifestyle" or any "ladder" that I'm aware of, except to say that some people in the "lifestyle" use contracts.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 12:35:40 PM

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I guess for someone studying law, they might get off on it. It only means as much at the people signing it make of it (and usually not even that much). It won't be at all legally binding, and I have seen a couple of cases where the contract was used against the dom. Most of what I've seen, is a whole lot of breaking of the contracts and focus about it, and how this or that wasn't in the contract etc, to the point that people forget it was all supposed to really be about the relationship. If writing down relationship dynamics is helpful in communicating, that's fine, have fun. Just don't let it get in the way of real communication or sabotage the relationship.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 12:41:12 PM

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when Daddy and i were talking and deciding on how well we might fit together, he brought up contracts. i read the ones he sent me and decided i didnt want one.

when he asked why, i said it was because we had already talked through most things, and i respected not only his ability to dominate...but his ability to listen to me if i should say "i cant do that" and hear not only the refusal but the reason.

we still dont have a contract.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 12:58:46 PM

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Wow thanks to everyone who wrote. The replys were a huge help and a weight has been lifted. This was my first time posting a question but it certainly won't be my last. It's nice to now there is a place to go to with real people who provide real answers. Thanks again everyone.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 1:26:27 PM

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Another vote here that the value lies in thinking things out in detail which can tell you whether or not you really are compatible. Because in fantasy it sounds great, when you're negotiating things that squick you or might cause you to lose your job is when you stop dreaming and start thinking realistically.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 1:50:34 PM

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The contract that I've been preparing for my subby is to clearly define what is expected of him. It also includes safety issues to reassure him that at all times he will be safe. (I can get a bit wild and love to bite) I see it as the "seal of the deal" that since we are only seeing eachother that its one way to bond the relationship. I cannot wait until we both sign it, stating we both agree to the terms written.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 5:20:13 PM

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If the relationship is new or short term, a signed contract offers the "D" a measure of legal protection from a change of heart submissive that thought she wanted it.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 6:15:10 PM

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 6:17:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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If the relationship is new or short term, a signed contract offers the "D" a measure of legal protection from a change of heart submissive that thought she wanted it.

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Entering into contracts to perform acts that are illegal renders the entire contract null and void.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 8:15:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Entering into contracts to perform acts that are illegal renders the entire contract null and void.

Legal advice like that, without references or qualifiers, is about as useful as tits on a bull.

A complicated civil suit can easily outlive the folks named in that suit.

whipgirl,

The purpose of most Ms contracts are to simply outline expectations and responsibilities. They're not legally, morally, or ethically binding (save for the morality and ethics of keeping your word if you break it.)

My slave and I have a contract. It's made of steel, and locks on her neck. That's all the 'negotiation' she and I feel necessary though as Michael alluded to, we're in a long term relationship.

I wouldn't likely want to get involved long term with a woman who required written rules for how I will treat her. I'm very much an 'all or nothing' person. It's not that I don't want her to feel she has her views embraced; it's the false belief that a piece of paper will protect her from me, rather than her owner protecting her that is important.

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 10:37:56 PM

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The final document is of minimal importance because it mearly represents what you have negotiated and agreed to.

we have nothing on paper here, it has all been discussed at great length prior to any commitment. lock and collar is enough contract. for this household. another case of it all being relative to the people involved.

but stephann just said a very important thing too

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RE: Master/slave contracts - 12/5/2007 11:26:23 PM

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Go to Google.com and search using 'master slave contract' and you'll get lots of relevant hits, including this one:

http://thedoghouse.org/members/lkm-contract.htm

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