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juliaoceania -> RE: Society's Expectations (12/8/2007 7:37:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catize I don’t bother so much about societal norms. One of the dominants in my life expects me to carry my own luggage, bring in the groceries, open doors for him and (gasp) take out the trash. Im expected to do those things too on occasion, and I do not care what society thinks about it either.

Padriag -> RE: Society's Expectations (12/8/2007 10:34:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists Dominants do you do certain things with your submissive only because society expects it? If you do these things, it is because society or others expect it of you or it is because that is really what you want to do? If you don't do these things, it is because you don't want to do them or is it motivated out of a desire to do the opposite of what is generally expected? In all honesty, some of both. There are some things, such as opening doors, paying for meals when dining out, etc. that I do because I was raised that way and it does make me feel good to do them. It was part of my upbringing that these things are part of gentlemanly behavior, and since I aspire to that it does indeed give me a certain amount of pleasure. But, I'm also well aware of how doing such things... or not doing them, in public can affect how others view me. I do care how I am perceived. I am self employed, I own my own company and employ others. My public image affects my business... I'd be a damned fool to blithely walk around not caring what others thought of me... and probably soon out of business as well! So I dress appropriately in public, I go to events that I'd sometimes rather skip, I make a point of opening doors for those whom I know would appreciate it, I'm nice to certain individuals I'd really rather strangle, or in other words I run quite a little PR campaign. I just moved to a new town six months ago and already some want me to run for town council. I'm still deciding about tossing my hat in. Apparently I'm pretty good at PR. [8D] Bottom line, being part of a society means striking a balance between your own personal priorities and those of that society... which will not always mesh. Sometimes succeeding in society means sacrificing some of those personal liberties and vice versa. For some, that social success matters, for others they hold their personal liberties more dear. I have no problem with anyone choosing one or the other.... only when someone chooses one, and then belly aches about not having the other.

InkedMaster -> RE: Society's Expectations (12/9/2007 3:36:52 AM)
I will usually open a car door or any door for that matter for my slave. Not because it is what "society" expects of me, "society" can kiss my ass. But rather just because I simply want to. I feel she deserves it. Besides, it gives me a chance to stare at that incredible ass as she walks by in high heels.

stella41b -> RE: Society's Expectations (12/9/2007 6:09:51 AM)
You know, sometimes you people crack me up. I mean seriously. We got a thread here on 'Society's Expectations' and everyone's going on about whether they open doors for ladies and female submissives or not or how 'twee'. What's being polite or not got to do with whether you fit into society or not? A lot of you go on about how kinky you are but would crap yourselves if your next door neighbours ever found out about your WIITWD anyway. Oh sure a lot of you would open doors or not for your ladies but how many of you change your character completely when you get behind the steering wheel of a car anyway? How many of you are so caring about the elderly, but when you see an old lady doddering across the middle of the road in front of your bonnet are thinking "You silly old bag.."? How many of you actually swear at other people from behind the dashboard? How many of you drive round and round looking for that parking space, having murderous, psychotic fantasies about someone who steals that parking space from you? How many of you out there are really only kidding yourselves anyway? Is it really that great being a female submissive when he comes back from the bar and you got his stiff erect member being rammed up from behind at eleven o'clock at night or are you actually in heaven thinking to yourself "Oh yes! Yes! Oh PLEEEAAASE!! More! More!" How many of you actually enjoy playing the pink smegma flavoured oboe? And as for the guys.. do you really enjoy going down on her? What about the times when you get stray pubes between your teeth and you got to go about discreetly going 'Pfft! Pfft!' just to get those stray pubes from between your teeth and lips? I don't give a monkey's about society and what society thinks anyway, as much of it is hypocrisy and being "socially acceptable" and being "normal" is very much about being two-faced anyway. I wouldn't be who I am today if I gave a fig about what society thinks. And yes, I remember years back when I first started to discover my feminine side and boy I looked weird and freaky - the Afro wig, the make up plastered on with a trowel complete with bright blue eyeliner, the charity shop clothes and five inch high heels.. I scared people.. I made others laugh.. and shocked others.. In fact I still get a buzz out of shocking other people.. especially the narrow-minded folks who are so damn sure that they're "normal". I still get the odd guy trying to give me the come on in the street, the perv, and I enjoy leading them on.. I let them follow me and lead them late at night up the darker, more isolated streets and into the lonely alleyways and just as they make their approach and come in for the kill, no doubt with big stiff willy in crusty Y-fronts I turn round to them and say in my deepest bass male voice "Yeah big boy? Come on take me.." And you see it. You see the face suddenly crack up, the lustful expression suddenly change to fear and terror.. and total confusion.. The poor guy doesn't have a clue what's going on... the penny drops and he turns and he runs.. and I mean he runs for his life.,. Those with UM's here are excused.. because (and here is where I'm being the hypocrite and I admit it) I feel there's no place in this community for anyone aged 21 or under (yes, I did lie to my first Mistress about my age, I wasn't even 18 but claimed to be 19) but how many of you lifestyle people are so 'lifestyle' that you're hiding all the toys and equipment away so Uncle Harry and Aunt Florence don't have the chance to see any of it when they come to pay a visit over the holidays? How many of you actually have dark, sadistic, secret fantasies of your boss involving this lifestyle? How many of you have ever thought about tying your mailman up and having him spreadeagled over the dining room table? Isn't this what the thread is about? Dealing with those 'vanilla' society expectations all around us? Or have I missed the point somewhere?

Gardenista -> RE: Society's Expectations (12/9/2007 6:40:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists Dominants do you do certain things with your submissive only because society expects it? If you do these things, it is because society or others expect it of you or it is because that is really what you want to do? If you don't do these things, it is because you don't want to do them or is it motivated out of a desire to do the opposite of what is generally expected? In all honesty, some of both. There are some things, such as opening doors, paying for meals when dining out, etc. that I do because I was raised that way and it does make me feel good to do them. It was part of my upbringing that these things are part of gentlemanly behavior, and since I aspire to that it does indeed give me a certain amount of pleasure. But, I'm also well aware of how doing such things... or not doing them, in public can affect how others view me. I do care how I am perceived. I am self employed, I own my own company and employ others. My public image affects my business... I'd be a damned fool to blithely walk around not caring what others thought of me... and probably soon out of business as well! So I dress appropriately in public, I go to events that I'd sometimes rather skip, I make a point of opening doors for those whom I know would appreciate it, I'm nice to certain individuals I'd really rather strangle, or in other words I run quite a little PR campaign. I just moved to a new town six months ago and already some want me to run for town council. I'm still deciding about tossing my hat in. Apparently I'm pretty good at PR. [8D] Bottom line, being part of a society means striking a balance between your own personal priorities and those of that society... which will not always mesh. Sometimes succeeding in society means sacrificing some of those personal liberties and vice versa. For some, that social success matters, for others they hold their personal liberties more dear. I have no problem with anyone choosing one or the other.... only when someone chooses one, and then belly aches about not having the other. Thank you for putting it better then I ever could. =) I don't think it's a terrible crime to want to present a more "acceptable" image to society if that's what you decided for yourself.

rmanrr -> RE: Society's Expectations (12/9/2007 7:54:22 AM)
Greetings replying to the OP without reading any other post. I do things for or with My woman because I want to do them, in any realm, facet or area of our relationship and society can be damned (in general) for what it thinks.

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