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OrionTheWolf -> RE: O'Reilly sacrificing principles (12/9/2007 8:20:30 PM)
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Orion there was no amendment saying it was ok to Scalp Indians with no Habeus Corpus.
There was no amendment saying it was ok to send the marines to Libya to slaughter villages and take hostages to change the region.
The reality of our history is one act of unlawful violence after another.
I don't know why you think I don't go outside. I live in Alaska because I love the outdoors. But that is obviously something you are fixated on instead of actuall debate.
Jesus, fucking, christ! You were the one that started playing the naive card, and reading more into what I wrote. Yeah there were no amendments for those things, I know this, but there should have been. Has the point been missed somewhere? We should have stood on principles then.
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Surviving and caring for those I love are part of my ethical/moral virtues. And I do extend those to my nation. I see no purpose in harsher than waterboarding interogation, and would expect it to be the exception, not the rule. But I do want unpleasant interrogation methods used on People reasonably connected to terror groups. I do not want them tried in open court. I do think we need a system of oversight, similar to the Senate select commitee, to handle these issues and unprecedented threats. There does need to be oversight, and it is currently inadequate. Got that. There is currently Inadequate oversight, and it need to be fixed. But there is a real problem that we have to deal with.
How one treats their enemy, reflects greatly on the virtue of those people. It is a slippery slope. If we are going to use torture, then we need to back out of every treaty we have signed, that states that we will not. If we are going to do certain things, then lets stand up and say proudly we do them. Let our children see it done, because only shameful acts need be hidden. If the US is to be a warrior nation, then let us adopt a warrior code. If the US is going to sneak around as assassins, then let us adopt the code of the cretin.
The seeds you plant today, will be harvested in time. As a rule it should be no torture, as an exception, the person doing the exception can have a medal for saving millions of lives, and then placed in prison to pay for it. What is ten or twenty years of a man's life, compared to saving millions? Take the action and accept the consequences, honor and integrity demands no less.
I guess now I am going to be called a liberal, because I disagree with some things from the republican camp. I could care fucking less, I am an Independent conservative, and that does not include sacrificing principles in the name of saving lives, when it cannot be proven that it is saving lives.
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