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lazarus1983 -> The Korean War (12/8/2007 3:50:04 PM)

I'm a big fan of military history, and for the most part the Vietnam Conflict has been my favored reading. However lately, the often overlooked Korean War has gained my attention. I read through David Halberstam's latest release, "The Coldest Winter," and am almost done with Clay Blair's classic behemoth, "The Forgotten War."

After reading and learning so much about this war, I can't believe that it is so incredibly, and criminally, overlooked. It's a mere footnote in the history of the world, sandwiched between The Great War and The Controversial Conflict. It has no identity of its own, no movies (with the exception of MASH, which was an alleghory for Vietnam), no video games, no real monuments, no nothing.

So, this is an attempt to get some discussion started about Korea. I'll kick it off by throwing out a few interesting facts:



We were so unprepared for war, thanks to Truman's heinous budget cutting, that at one point we were actually pulling down old Sherman tanks that were being used as monuments at Fort Hood and sending them over to Korea.

We sure did love our atom bomb, back then. Plans to bomb this or bomb that were thrown about quite casually. In fact, General Omar Bradley believed that with the advent of atom bombs, amphibious landings would be a thing of the past.

Speaking of ol' Bradley, he was actually instrumental in stopping a mutiny against President Truman. Due to the aforementioned budget cuts, the top admirals of the Navy mutinied against Truman, going before Congress and speaking out against him. It took General Bradley to come out and put these admirals in their place, originating the term, "Fancy Dan's."

The invasion of South Korea would not have happened had Kim Il Sung not had the approval from Moscow. Ironically, had Moscow not allowed Kim Il Sung to invade, then Truman probably never would have authorized massive spending for the military. Essentially, if not for Korea, we never would have been in a position to oppose the spread of Communism and fight the Cold War.

General MacArthur's famed Inchon landing wasn't that brilliant. A landing at a port behind enemy lines is actually standard army tactics in a peninsular war. And the landing at Inchon itself was proposed at the outset of the war by Pentagon staffers.

MacArthur himself had ample warning that Chinese troops had entered North Korea and were preparing to attack the US and South Korean troops. Dozens of Chinese troops had been captured weeks before the CCF armies attacked. Yet MacArthur and his staff insisted that they were liars, or Chinese that had volunteered to fight.




beeble -> RE: The Korean War (12/8/2007 3:51:49 PM)

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lazarus1983 wrote: sandwiched between The Great War and The Controversial Conflict

BTW, `The Great War' was World War I.




seeksfemslave -> RE: The Korean War (12/8/2007 3:57:36 PM)

What have events in Korea got to do with the US ?
You've spent zillions on keeping troops there since the mid 50's .

Speaking from memory the South Koreans did badly in an election of some sort or refused to hold an election, tied up with the reunification of Korea.

Some historians say that Synghman Rhee (sp?) and the South Koreans invaded North Korea to maintain their power and the mindless American anti communist attitudes  of the time ensured things got worse




mnottertail -> RE: The Korean War (12/8/2007 4:20:29 PM)

quote:

We were so unprepared for war, thanks to Truman's heinous budget cutting, that at one point we were actually pulling down old Sherman tanks that were being used as monuments at Fort Hood and sending them over to Korea.



just------------GAWD, will it never end?

when will they ever learn?

when will they ever learn?

Ron




Muttling -> RE: The Korean War (12/8/2007 4:26:54 PM)

It's a very interesting time in our history and to really understand it, you have to look to the mentality of the day.  Chemical and biological weapons were a huge part of our inventory, but wouldn't be used because of fears of it going two ways and the memories of it's use in WWI.

Nuclear weapons, on the other hand, were VERY different.  There was no Mutually Assured Destruction as our nuclear forces were far beyond anyone else in the world.  (The Russians were just starting to catch up with us at the time of the Korean War.)  There were moral issues questioning whether or not nuclear weapons should be ever used, but there was so much denile about the long term effects of the weapon and so much misinformation about the survivability of a nuclear exchange.  The use of nuclear weapons was not only accepted, it was expected by most of our military commanders.   We were training troops to operate on the nuclear battlefield and had them practicing with live nuclear weapons at Nellis Range.

The U.S. view on the main battle tank was just as it had always been.  Lots of smaller, less capable tanks are more effective then the big killers.   (It took us a very long time for the lessons of WWII to finally sink in.) 

Korea was a HUGE turning point in our military attitudes and Vietnam reinforced that.




Gardenista -> RE: The Korean War (12/8/2007 4:29:17 PM)

 Cool factoids. =)

My ums are part Korean, so it's always interesting to read a little history about it. Thanks. =)




FatDomDaddy -> RE: The Korean War (12/8/2007 5:47:47 PM)

One Minute to Zero

Inchon

Battle Hymn

MacArthur

Bridges at Toko Ri

Pork Chop Hill

Retreat Hell!

Manchurian Candidate

All the young Men

Probably a lot more... But those come off the top of my head.




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