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Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 10:39:06 AM

GhostWhoWalks

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Everyone has heard of Fire and Ice.
I practice something I call Fire and Steel.
Basically, during knifeplay, I'll tip-rip / scratch my sub with a shallow cut, then draw a cotton ball soaked in rubbing alcohol across the cut, then light the alcohol on fire.
It's a hot scene (in my opinion) and I'm careful while doing it, always having a bucket of warm water with 3 or 4 washcloths soaking in it nearby. Of course I keep the rubbing alcohol capped as much as possible.
I've never had a problem with it, but I also haven't done it a lot. I'm betting there are other Doms / Dommes here who've done it more than I have.
To those Doms / Dommes Id like to ask;
1) Have you run into any unforeseen safety issues? What are they, and what did you do about them?
2) As far as aftercare is concerned, toweling down my girls with warm water-soaked washcloths, then drying them off and general snuggling seems to work pretty good. What kind of aftercare do your girls seem to prefer? What do they want to avoid?
Inquiring minds want to know these things.

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 11:56:46 AM

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I do love blood play and fire play, especially when they're combined. It's nice to see a fellow enthusiast here!

How are you igniting the alcohol once it's on the skin? I've seen people just use a lighter, which can be problematic. Fire wands makes fire play a whole lot easier, and something as small as a qtip dipped in alcohol can be a fire wand.

Mmm, fire. It's cold and snowy here today. I might need to light someone up.

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 12:00:45 PM

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I got so excited about fire, I completely forgot your question about aftercare.

I keep a pump bottle of aloe vera gel in my fire kit. If someone's skin is still bright pink in areas I've ignited, I use the aloe to soothe it. The aloe is usually pretty cool when it goes on, so it's also a little bit of temperature play to finish the scene. Blankets get a bit gooey if I don't rub the aloe in well or give it enough time to dry, but it washes out just fine.

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 12:02:38 PM

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I would get cut during knife play and then have the alchohol poured on...he never set it on fire though. He was not much for fire.

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 12:03:45 PM

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A little off topic, kinda... but I saw a guy doing fire play on his girl in a club setting. For some reason, he thought that using a sparkler would be great....yes, a fireworks sparkler that burns at about 1200 degrees, I think. It might have been a bit too hot for her, according to the commotion. No water bucket, no sand bucket...a LOT of smoke ( indoors ). The club staff was grabbing fire extenguishers. I am not sure how he ended up putting them out. It is still laughed about among the people who saw it happen.

My point is, always practice overkill on safety stuff. If it can go wrong, odds are that sooner or later, it will.

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 12:19:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsSaskia

I got so excited about fire, I completely forgot your question about aftercare.

I keep a pump bottle of aloe vera gel in my fire kit. If someone's skin is still bright pink in areas I've ignited, I use the aloe to soothe it. The aloe is usually pretty cool when it goes on, so it's also a little bit of temperature play to finish the scene. Blankets get a bit gooey if I don't rub the aloe in well or give it enough time to dry, but it washes out just fine.

i know this is not a common allergy, in fact i have never come across anyone else with it...but i am allergic to aloe vera, and i have to be very careful with aftercare more than play...this kind of aftercare would not work for me...it would cause blisters...

i had to say no to aftercare just this past sunday after a cutting when the top wanted to put band-aid wash on the cutting after washing it down with alcohol...why? because band-aid wash has aloe in it....

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 12:49:20 PM

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Thank you, MsSaskia.

I've used Q-tips and those things they use to light candles (don't know what they're called; sorta like elongated lighters with lighter fluid in them). Between the two of them I'm rather partial to the Q-Tips, just because I usually start out by taking a Q-Tip, swabbing it on a subs nipples, setting the Q-Tip on fire, then the nipples. Just to get their attention, of course.

But either seems to work nicely.
I haven't tried the Aloe Vera. Thank you for that suggestion, also. I'll have to ask about Aloe Vera allergies first. But that's OK.
(Hm...thinking about you lighting someone up now... and marshmellows?.....

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 2:04:45 PM

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I've never met anyone with an aloe allergy, but I'm guessing that if I had the bottle in my hand at the end of a scene and they were allergic to it, they'd definitely let me know.

My collared girl is allergic to anything with sulfa in it. That means just about all commercial soaps, detergents, shampoos, hand cleaners, etc. I think it's also in Neosporin. Aftercare for her, especially when we've done medical play, is interesting.

You know, with the qtip method, you don't necessarily have to lay down a streak of alcohol first. You can also light up the qtip (I keep a tea light burning for that purpose) and streak that directly on the skin. Another thing I do is to use hand sanitizer as my accellerant. Purell or similar products are just alcohol mixed with glycerin. You can squirt a dab of that directly onto skin or give it a smear with your finger or run a long streak of it out onto skin, then ignite it. I like the hand sanitizer because it stays in place better than liquid alcohol and it doesn't evaporate quite as quickly. Also, the glycerin feels very cool to the skin.

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RE: Fire and Steel - 12/10/2007 3:23:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OldBastardly1

A little off topic, kinda... but I saw a guy doing fire play on his girl in a club setting. For some reason, he thought that using a sparkler would be great....yes, a fireworks sparkler that burns at about 1200 degrees, I think. It might have been a bit too hot for her, according to the commotion. No water bucket, no sand bucket...a LOT of smoke ( indoors ). The club staff was grabbing fire extenguishers. I am not sure how he ended up putting them out. It is still laughed about among the people who saw it happen.

My point is, always practice overkill on safety stuff. If it can go wrong, odds are that sooner or later, it will.

We use sparklers for fireplay and yes, they are hot hot hot so Master proceeds as if he is doing candle wax play for the first time ever....holding the sparkler very high to begin with and slowly lowering it. We always have a bucket of water and our own fire extinguisher for any fire play.

Now we did have a problem with sparklers at a local dungeon club once....not taking into consideration the age and inefficiency of the ventilation system. We have done sparklers at other indoor locations but at this club the acrid smoke did not disappiate into the ancient venting system and did cause a nasty, lingering smelly smoke.

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