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charmdpetKeira -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 8:25:06 AM)
A prayer for Matthew Murray: I’m sorry for whatever hell you went through that sent you over the deep end. I’m sorry that they wouldn’t listen to your calls for help. I’m sorry that, while it appears they could have prevented a good part, if not all, of your last actions here on Earth; they prefer to stand on your dead body, so they do not have to feel accountable for their short comings. And I’m sorry that you were unable to find a better way to fight injustice. Remember, there is an upside and downside to everything; they now have their “hero” and you, your freedom. Sleep well, k

popeye1250 -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 8:42:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Cl, I think you nailed it. She was using God to rationalise what she did. That's ok I guess if it works for her. If it were me that did it I'd be thanking my time at the gun range for being a good shot and condemning that sick fuck for killing 4 innocent people. This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around! This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around! Nope,not just any armed citizen,after all,the perp was an armed citizen,wasn`t he? I think the preacher had it correct and spot on,when he said(more than once)that it should be a trained,and SCREENED security person or persons that are armed and doing that work.Not the average "pistol-pack`n Popeye" on the street.Though I`m sure Popeye would have done the same thing the lady did. The NRA dildos, want a free-for-all of guns, for every kook and his kookier brother,without screening or checks or anything.They don`t want any controls or oversight.They help arm the nuts and bottom feeders. Owner, I'm highly trained and screened. I'm liscensed by the state of S. Carolina and New Hampshire to carry a concealed weapon. I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer, USCG (Ret.) I also had a "Secret" clearance. How's that for "screening?" Anyone who is accepted into the U.S.C.G. undergoes an F.B.I. background check. A few years after I was in a neighbor told me that two F.B.I. Agents came to his house and asked about me. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Alumbrado -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:03:11 AM)
quote: I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer Really??? When did you graduate from Phase 1 at the Federal LEO academy at Glynco? Being on the federal dole and carrying a gun doesn't make you a Federal LEO, any more than it makes the guard in the lobby of the Social Security office an FBI agent. If you were not an 083 or 1811 -12, 54, 96, etc. series FLEO, stop using specific job titles you never earned, and riding on the coattails of those who did earn it.

ctrlaltdelete -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:26:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete Why would she need a warning shot? As it says in the subject line - God guided her Quite honestly - I cannot believe I haven't gotten flamed for this provocative preposterous statement! I am all for someone stepping up and taking a life (which incidentally did not happen at the hands of the guard) of someone who is out to inflict harm upon countless innocent others. Kudos to the gal! Yet, it appalls me that this is becoming a modern cruisade of sorts by justifying her shooting the guy because "God guided her". If I can accept it, it is because she did the right thing in taking out a homicidal killer who was about to harm or kill unsuspecting innocent individuals.

popeye1250 -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer Really??? When did you graduate from Phase 1 at the Federal LEO academy at Glynco? Being on the federal dole and carrying a gun doesn't make you a Federal LEO, any more than it makes the guard in the lobby of the Social Security office an FBI agent. If you were not an 083 or 1811 -12, 54, 96, etc. series FLEO, stop using specific job titles you never earned, and riding on the coattails of those who did earn it. Alumbrado, our people went to Glynco, Quantico and Otis Air Force Base and other places around the country for training in law enforcement. We worked with the Secret Service guarding then Vice President George Bush at his summer home in Maine. We worked with Customs, Immigration, FBI, U.S. Marshalls and state and local agencies. The U.S. Coast Guard currently has 6 man "LEDETS" (Law Enforcement Detatchments) onboard U.S. Navy ships to perform arrests of drug smugglers and illegal migrants. (Because of the "Posse Comitatus Act.") They have USCG vessels in the Carribean and Pacific performing Drug Interdiction Operations. The U.S. Coast Guard doesn't "ride on the coat tails" of anyone! And, they even offer specialised law enforcement training to local and state police agencies. I've been involved in the arrests of probably 200 drug smuglers. How many have you arrested lately? Instead of shooting your mouth off about something which you obviously know nothing about why don't you go to a Coast Guard Recruiter's office and sign up? There's nothing in your background stopping you is there?

Owner59 -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:32:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Cl, I think you nailed it. She was using God to rationalise what she did. That's ok I guess if it works for her. If it were me that did it I'd be thanking my time at the gun range for being a good shot and condemning that sick fuck for killing 4 innocent people. This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around! This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around! Nope,not just any armed citizen,after all,the perp was an armed citizen,wasn`t he? I think the preacher had it correct and spot on,when he said(more than once)that it should be a trained,and SCREENED security person or persons that are armed and doing that work.Not the average "pistol-pack`n Popeye" on the street.Though I`m sure Popeye would have done the same thing the lady did. The NRA dildos, want a free-for-all of guns, for every kook and his kookier brother,without screening or checks or anything.They don`t want any controls or oversight.They help arm the nuts and bottom feeders. Owner, I'm highly trained and screened. I'm liscensed by the state of S. Carolina and New Hampshire to carry a concealed weapon. I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer, USCG (Ret.) I also had a "Secret" clearance. How's that for "screening?" Anyone who is accepted into the U.S.C.G. undergoes an F.B.I. background check. A few years after I was in a neighbor told me that two F.B.I. Agents came to his house and asked about me. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Ok Popeye, Consider yourself ,officially screened. Now pah-leez don`t show up in the headlines/newspapers...

Owner59 -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:40:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete quote: ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete Why would she need a warning shot? As it says in the subject line - God guided her Quite honestly - I cannot believe I haven't gotten flamed for this provocative preposterous statement! I am all for someone stepping up and taking a life (which incidentally did not happen at the hands of the guard) of someone who is out to inflict harm upon countless innocent others. Kudos to the gal! Yet, it appalls me that this is becoming a modern cruisade of sorts by justifying her shooting the guy because "God guided her". If I can accept it, it is because she did the right thing in taking out a homicidal killer who was about to harm or kill unsuspecting innocent individuals. Ask anyone who`s been under fire.It`s not a normal state and we all don`t necessarily think about every possibility,we just act. That`s why training is so important.It takes over when your brain locks up,b/c of a high stress, life and death situation. Personally,I think she`s a hero and shouldn`t be judged on her faith.Though it`s not for me,I wouldn`t put anyone down b/c of their faith.

popeye1250 -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:44:04 AM)
Owner, that's correct. "In an emergency situation you always revert back to your training." That's why we trained all the time.

ctrlaltdelete -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:45:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Personally,I think she`s a hero and shouldn`t be judged on her faith.Though it`s not for me,I wouldn`t put anyone down b/c of their faith. Agreed. My sole point of contention is this: celebrate her as a hero, because she is hero. Not because she was guided by divine intervention. To get back to bipolarber's earlier point - if divinity had been involved, she would have never had to use her training in disabling him with her gun.

farglebargle -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:58:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I'd rather take the chance of some nutjob going crazy with a gun ( which, by the way, you have the exact same chance of that happening now -- the only difference is now there are fewer armed-responders on the immediate scene... ) than some nutjob working for the Government making the decision of who can own what property, and with what conditions and restrictions. What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" is so hard to understand? What part of well regulated,is so hard to understand? Who says the GOVERNMENT needs to regulate the Militia? The People are more than capable of self-organizing where required. If the Framers had meant for there to be BATF, they would have written it down in the 2nd Amendment. Too bad the FOUR DEAD VICTIMS prior to this armed security guard turning up didn't have the opportunity to return fire. MAYBE if the dead psycho didn't know his victims were likely unarmed, he wouldn't have had the balls to commit the murders in the first place? Somewhere like Vermont, perhaps, with no restrictions. Looks like the moment someone stood up to him, he blew his brains out. So, knowing he would be quickly shot dead might have made the guy just blow out his brains at home, saving the 4 victims from death. AND... If she didn't know how to use makeup, she shouldn't have tried to figure it out just before her photo-op. She's approaching "Drag Queen" there...

AquaticSub -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 11:43:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete To get back to bipolarber's earlier point - if divinity had been involved, she would have never had to use her training in disabling him with her gun. These statements always make me smile. I don't know why they just do, probably because they seem so silly to me. "If doesn't interfer directly, then damn it it doesn't exist!" Never any consideration to any other way. It's kinda the "One Twue Way" of religion, and I always expect to hear people shouting about how they were trained by monks on mountaintops and given the innermost secrets of all religions. The Grand Poobahs of All Religions. Never that she was there. Never that she wasn't in the bathroom. Never that she happened to be in the right place. Never that she had her gun on her. Never that she had the correct training to know what to do. Never that the gunman didn't use another exit. Never that her gun didn't jam. Only the one twue way of "If God/Goddess/Mighty Monkey of the Stars didn't strike him down with lighting and great special effects, God/Goddess/Mighty Monkey of the Stars wasn't involved and doesn't exist!" It's just as funny to me as the one twue way of BDSM.

ctrlaltdelete -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 11:50:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Never that she was there. Never that she wasn't in the bathroom. Never that she happened to be in the right place. Never that she had her gun on her. Never that she had the correct training to know what to do. Never that the gunman didn't use another exit. Never that her gun didn't jam. Never that a church/religion as the institutional extension of divinity on Earth has disenfranchised, disillusioned and angered this individual enough to even go toting his gun in the first place!

AquaticSub -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 2:08:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Never that she was there. Never that she wasn't in the bathroom. Never that she happened to be in the right place. Never that she had her gun on her. Never that she had the correct training to know what to do. Never that the gunman didn't use another exit. Never that her gun didn't jam. Never that a church/religion as the institutional extension of divinity on Earth has disenfranchised, disillusioned and angered this individual enough to even go toting his gun in the first place! It's the religion's fault that he killed people? You don't think this guy has any responsiblity for what he did? It's all the religion's fault? No, don't buy that at all. When you pull the trigger, you make the choice. You don't get to pawn that off on anybody else. You are a murderer, not a victim.

DarkDaddyZ -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 2:10:25 PM)
When she said that, and considering guns were involved...it didn't sit well with me but the NRA does have a new poster child! Z-

OrionTheWolf -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 9:22:55 PM)
Back to my counter point of Bipolarber's" It all depends on what you consider divinity. Do you know how many religions there actually are? Now include all the agnostics, and deist. If she used naturally honed talent, then it could be divine, but then we get into debates on belief, and it is difficult there. quote: ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Personally,I think she`s a hero and shouldn`t be judged on her faith.Though it`s not for me,I wouldn`t put anyone down b/c of their faith. Agreed. My sole point of contention is this: celebrate her as a hero, because she is hero. Not because she was guided by divine intervention. To get back to bipolarber's earlier point - if divinity had been involved, she would have never had to use her training in disabling him with her gun.

Lordandmaster -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 10:03:10 PM)
You can say that ANYTHING comes with divine inspiration once you make the word "God" mean nothing at all. I just farted--was that divine inspiration too? It was natural, after all.

Owner59 -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 10:50:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I'd rather take the chance of some nutjob going crazy with a gun ( which, by the way, you have the exact same chance of that happening now -- the only difference is now there are fewer armed-responders on the immediate scene... ) than some nutjob working for the Government making the decision of who can own what property, and with what conditions and restrictions. What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" is so hard to understand? What part of well regulated,is so hard to understand? Who says the GOVERNMENT needs to regulate the Militia? The People are more than capable of self-organizing where required. If the Framers had meant for there to be BATF, they would have written it down in the 2nd Amendment. Too bad the FOUR DEAD VICTIMS prior to this armed security guard turning up didn't have the opportunity to return fire. MAYBE if the dead psycho didn't know his victims were likely unarmed, he wouldn't have had the balls to commit the murders in the first place? Somewhere like Vermont, perhaps, with no restrictions. Looks like the moment someone stood up to him, he blew his brains out. So, knowing he would be quickly shot dead might have made the guy just blow out his brains at home, saving the 4 victims from death. AND... If she didn't know how to use makeup, she shouldn't have tried to figure it out just before her photo-op. She's approaching "Drag Queen" there... AND... If she didn't know how to use makeup, she shouldn't have tried to figure it out just before her photo-op. She's approaching "Drag Queen" there... Awww Fargle,you are one cold dude!......

slaveboyforyou -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/12/2007 11:58:39 PM)
It's a load of nonsense to say that you need training to own and carry a gun. I get so sick of hearing that bullshit. I have never had a formal training class in firearms. I was taught how to use firearms when I was 8 years old by my father. I refuse to get one of those stupid concealed carry permits. I have a permit to carry a gun; it's called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It is a natural right for me to have the ability to protect myself; it's not a privilige.

AquaticSub -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/13/2007 1:29:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou It's a load of nonsense to say that you need training to own and carry a gun. I get so sick of hearing that bullshit. I have never had a formal training class in firearms. I was taught how to use firearms when I was 8 years old by my father. I refuse to get one of those stupid concealed carry permits. I have a permit to carry a gun; it's called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It is a natural right for me to have the ability to protect myself; it's not a privilige. That amendment is not a blanket statement. You have the right to free speech but you do not have the right to use it irresponsibly - you are not allowed to go into a crowded theater and yell fire. As such, that right comes with responsiblities. It is your responsiblity to educate yourself about guns and safety beyond the instruction of your father. It is your responsbility to register your gun. It is your responsibility to follow the laws in place for firemans. People have got to remember that when the 2nd amendment was penned, it took two whole minutes to load one bullet and it was very easy to disarm someone while they were doing it. Fuck, people can have all the muzzle loaders they want but if you want the nifty stuff you've got to follow some rules. The Constitution was not a flawless document nor was it intended to be one. The founders realized that times would change and that they could not forsee how things would change, which is why there are systems in place to change the Constitution.

farglebargle -> RE: After shooting,Security Guard hero says, 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (12/13/2007 6:59:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou It's a load of nonsense to say that you need training to own and carry a gun. I get so sick of hearing that bullshit. I have never had a formal training class in firearms. I was taught how to use firearms when I was 8 years old by my father. I refuse to get one of those stupid concealed carry permits. I have a permit to carry a gun; it's called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It is a natural right for me to have the ability to protect myself; it's not a privilige. That amendment is not a blanket statement. You have the right to free speech but you do not have the right to use it irresponsibly - you are not allowed to go into a crowded theater and yell fire. As such, that right comes with responsiblities. It is your responsiblity to educate yourself about guns and safety beyond the instruction of your father. It is your responsbility to register your gun. It is your responsibility to follow the laws in place for firemans. No it isn't. The ONLY responsibility needed, is the responsibility to accept the consequences of your negligent actions, should you DO anything negligent. You don't need to be "Registered" to inform a theater of a potential fire, but you MUST accept the legal sanctions should you falsely do so. quote: People have got to remember that when the 2nd amendment was penned, it took two whole minutes to load one bullet and it was very easy to disarm someone while they were doing it. Fuck, people can have all the muzzle loaders they want but if you want the nifty stuff you've got to follow some rules. I don't see "Muzzle Loader", or "Fireams" there. Arms is Arms. Weapons. For killing people. In this instance, for killing people who would infringe on your Freedom and Liberty. If the people DEPRIVING you of "Freedom and Liberty" have assault rifles, what chance do The People have if only armed with obsolete weapons? quote: The Constitution was not a flawless document nor was it intended to be one. The founders realized that times would change and that they could not forsee how things would change, which is why there are systems in place to change the Constitution. Yes, they're called Amendments. And if you disagree with the un-infringed Right to Keep and Bear Arms, then you should just get the Amendment repealed, and/or changed to reflect what you believe to be the appropriate wording. Otherwise, the Framers were quite deliberate in their choice of words. To "Read Between The Lines" and argue about where a, freaking, comma, is is just dishonest and dishonorable.

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