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SmokingGun82 -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/13/2007 12:51:32 PM)

It's one of those fascinating things people do... you find it often in religious debates, when someone will say "The bible says" and then quote something that perfectly proves their point. Sure, that means something to them, but when I fire off with quotes from Clerks, they refuse to accept it as absolute truth...

People will never fail to fascinate, annoy, amuse, and amaze me. Plus, it's got to be nice to have a "magic bullet" for a debate.



CalifChick -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/13/2007 7:16:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



BondageSlaveMN -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/13/2007 8:09:11 PM)

As an unowned slave, I speak my own mind and don't crutch on the beliefs of others. If someone successfully destroys my argument then I go back to the drawing board and come up with more evidence for my argument. Otherwise it's time to convert or perhaps just agree to disagree.

I just thought about what I wrote and it's quite clearly not very submissive at all... All I can say about that is that I'm the proverbial wolf in sheep's skin. Or rather the other way around. I am the sheep in wolves' skin I guess. Perhaps having been forced to live in the real world all these years has given me an assertive nature. I would relish the opportunity to shed this coat of mine. Perhaps some day.



spanklette -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/13/2007 9:31:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BondageSlaveMN

As an unowned slave, I speak my own mind and don't crutch on the beliefs of others. If someone successfully destroys my argument then I go back to the drawing board and come up with more evidence for my argument. Otherwise it's time to convert or perhaps just agree to disagree.

I just thought about what I wrote and it's quite clearly not very submissive at all... All I can say about that is that I'm the proverbial wolf in sheep's skin. Or rather the other way around. I am the sheep in wolves' skin I guess. Perhaps having been forced to live in the real world all these years has given me an assertive nature. I would relish the opportunity to shed this coat of mine. Perhaps some day.



I don't consider a well thought out and mature debate not submissive. Actually, I don't see a connection between the two at all...otherwise, these boards would be pretty empty.[:)]



juliaoceania -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/13/2007 10:11:50 PM)

At the end of the day, there is no opinion related to BDSM that outweighs his opinion. Now on any other topic of conversation, that ain't so, but when it comes to WIITWD, his opinion is the number one opinion for me... not hallowed ground, it is just that I am not in a relationship with anyone else here, I do not answer to any of you...and I do answer to him.

I do not expect his opinion to carry weight with anyone else but me. I expect others to feel the way I do too, and respect that....



BeingChewsie -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 6:08:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



Cali,

Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



juliaoceania -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 6:12:07 AM)

One person's doormat is another person's doorknocker[:D]

You are right beingchewsie, his opinion on your merit is the only one that matters, especially on this board...



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 8:18:29 PM)

My partners opinion is not the only one that matters in my life.  My mothers opinion matters, my nephews opinion matters, my friends opinions matter, heck even my boss' opinion MATTERS because that goes into my income and future possible options and influences.

That's where you get into what "ultimately" matters.  I care what other people think, but that doesn't mean I am CONTROLLED by what they think.

I'm fine with a slave being a doorknob or a doormat and see no reason they shouldn't be as proud of that as any person is of their choice and relationship style.  As long as you know the source of their priorities, it actually makes communicating and connecting a lot easier.



ownedgirlie -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 8:28:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



Cali,

Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



Awesome reply!




intro2submissive -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 8:44:02 PM)

To quote my grandmother, the wisest person i know:
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one"

And thus a sub might desire to feel their Dom knows EVERYTHING, others might know their Dom's opinions are falliable. Its a matter of opinion and perception.
Personally i know people are incapable of knowing everything about the world, thus that is hardly and argument in my opinion but to each H/his or H/her own.



TemptingNviceSub -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 9:02:27 PM)

To the Op..A persons thoughts, beliefs,opinions are ALL based on our life experiences. Through occurring events, and family, and people we have encountered on our way up through our growth and beyond. Even through differing generational commonalities, through the news.. all these things help shape our thoughts and views and beliefs...so why not the Dominants to their submissives as well...Like you ,when I first started to read this thread my first thought was my beliefs and opinions are fully my own..however, with more contemplation I realized this was simply not so...It is fully a combination of all the above that has shaped how and what I feel and hold true for me...Tempting



CalifChick -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 10:15:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



Cali,

Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



Well that's great and all that it works for you.  But it didn't answer my question (okay, it answered the first question, but that one was really rhetorical).  Are you allowed any opinions or the expression of thoughts of your own?  Any subjects that are open, or are there absolutely none that are available for independent thought?

Cali



DiosDeEsclavas -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/14/2007 11:15:58 PM)

It's called Appeal to Authority:
  • Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
  • Person A makes claim C about subject S.
  • Therefore, C is true.
    This happens in many arenas, but is really only a fallacy when person A is not an authority on S.  We can assume that a Dom is the absolute authority for at least some aspects of a sub's life, but this type of argument is only effective when both parties accept A's authority, and then only as a time saver.  If A is not accepted as an authority, then the debater must use A's arguments, not A's authority.  The sub usually starts with this but then gets stuck when they find they don't fully understand the claim they are supporting and have to appeal to there Dom's authority. 

    I think the Dom is usually not available at this point because if they were, the sub could ask him and you would then in effect be having a conversation with the Dom through the sub without even knowing it.  This is not necessarily bad, the sub is learning.

    As a Dom I can't imagine anything worse then being a slave, except being a slave to a foolish master.  We can only hope that subs/slaves who need to rely on the inflect of there Dom's have not misplaced there truest.



    • MasterFireMaam -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 1:51:28 AM)

    Well, see, you're expecting them to be just like you. But what if they're HAPPY feeling a certain way about a subject because they've been told to feel that way? Yeah, I know, I can't wrap my head around it either and, in a lot of ways, it smacks of an unhealthy mental/emotional dependence, BUT, that might be where they're coming from. People are allowed to be as logical...or illogical...as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else.

    Master Fire



    spanklette -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 3:59:33 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

    Well, see, you're expecting them to be just like you. But what if they're HAPPY feeling a certain way about a subject because they've been told to feel that way? Yeah, I know, I can't wrap my head around it either and, in a lot of ways, it smacks of an unhealthy mental/emotional dependence, BUT, that might be where they're coming from. People are allowed to be as logical...or illogical...as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else.

    Master Fire



    This is pretty much the point at which I've been able to get...I just couldn't articulate it as well.
     
    To be fair, this really is not about the message boards...in fact, I hardly even notice it on the boards. It's really more of an irritant to me in real life conversations and situations. Sometimes it just feels like people use it more like a habit than anything else.
     
    I'm not trying to put anyone down for accepting their Dominant's opinion at face value. I do it myself, often. I guess I just feel like our relationship is richer (for me) when I understand why and how our relationship functions the way it does. Then again, someone could come along right behind me and post about submissives that overanalyze...[:)]



    BeingChewsie -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 7:32:39 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: CalifChick

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie


    Cali,

    Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



    Well that's great and all that it works for you.  But it didn't answer my question (okay, it answered the first question, but that one was really rhetorical).  Are you allowed any opinions or the expression of thoughts of your own?  Any subjects that are open, or are there absolutely none that are available for independent thought?

    Cali



    Publically I express the viewpoints of the household or I express nothing at all. That is his expectation of me. There are subjects he doesn't care about...I tend to not care about those either. It doesn't serve me well in this household to think differently or counter to him. He doesn't find it pleasing as a general rule. He has plenty of people he pays very well to offer their opinions and debate things with him. My role is being his oasis. That is easier to accomplish when I internalize his beliefs and viewpoints. Not to mention it makes my life so much simpler and peaceful.



    LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 8:58:06 AM)

    I think Chewsie touched on the important point "he doesn't find it pleasing."

    I'm the type who just really gets off on contrast and alternative views and how two theoretically opposed ideas can exist in harmony simultaneously. 

    It's good to be the oasis- it's just that each person defines "oasis" differently.



    BeingChewsie -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 9:49:32 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

    I think Chewsie touched on the important point "he doesn't find it pleasing."

    I'm the type who just really gets off on contrast and alternative views and how two theoretically opposed ideas can exist in harmony simultaneously. 

    It's good to be the oasis- it's just that each person defines "oasis" differently.


    Agreed! If he found contrasting viewpoints from me and/or debating issues with him pleasing I'd be doing exactly that. If he wanted me to express an opinion other than his publically I would. He doesn't so I don't..simple :).



    SirJohnMandevill -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 12:37:20 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
    Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.


    I personally would not want a doormat for a submissive. I'd get bored pretty quickly without a sub having a sense of herself and properly asserting same. I need the intellectual stimulation.

    Obviously, just my .02 zlotys. Your milage may vary.

    Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)



    slaveluci -> RE: The Omnipotent Dom (12/15/2007 1:09:24 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
    My role is being his oasis. That is easier to accomplish when I internalize his beliefs and viewpoints. Not to mention it makes my life so much simpler and peaceful.

    [sm=applause.gif].  Wow.  I love that statement.  Beautifully stated, chewsie.  Worthy of being a sig line[:)]...................luci



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