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Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 4:57:41 PM   
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I enjoy certain forms of humiliation.  But like many things, what I enjoy is the reaction.  I have a wide variety of reactions that can push all kinds of buttons.  I think the first time I humiliated a man was just playful things with my first boyfriends, making them kneel in a public place (even though it was harmless, for a young man with pride, that could be embarassing if friends saw), drink from a dog bowl, crawl on hands and knees, you name it.  Of course, with time, humiliation "play" has become more intense in some areas.

For other women that enjoy humiliation on some level, do you enjoy is simply because of the execution of the act, and there is where your pleasure begins and ends?  Or, is it dependent on the reaction of your submissive?  We have all met submissives who are humiliation whores who lap it up like a puppy and just want more.  Do you feel like you are not getting your itch scratched if he seems to absolutely enjoy the entire thing, more than be uncomfortable about it?

The most intense humiliation scenarios I have done are ones that left the submissive so shaken and bruised (from a pride standpoint) that he he reacted with intense embarassment or shame, but later, as soon as the shame subsided, his reaction was unbelievable, intense arousal.  Then, into the following days, he would reflect on the act and find that he was even MORE aroused by it.  Even though during the at he was mortified and ashamed, he realized in retrospect, he enjoyed every moment of it. 

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 5:32:41 PM   
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I know i am not a dominant woman, but in my opinion, i would have to say that if a submissive is enjoying the act, while it is a humiliating act, is it really humiliation if the submissive is enjoying it, and has a shit eating grin?  personally i would say its not, part of humiliation for me, is knowing that i am doing becuase Mistress enjoys it wants it and likes it, not because i enjoy it.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 6:28:24 PM   
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For other women that enjoy humiliation on some level, do you enjoy is simply because of the execution of the act, and there is where your pleasure begins and ends?  Or, is it dependent on the reaction of your submissive?  We have all met submissives who are humiliation whores who lap it up like a puppy and just want more.  Do you feel like you are not getting your itch scratched if he seems to absolutely enjoy the entire thing, more than be uncomfortable about it?
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Speaking as a dominant female... ;)
I absolutely adore the first look of  "OMG! Is this really happening??!!"    The rush of adrenaline from putting someone on their knees on a busy street for example
I might enjoy it on a different level if they weren't humiliated, then it would just be a total power trip.

So in a way it depends on the reaction of the sub, but on the other hand, it also depends on how I arrange my thoughts about it.  Like anything else in life, if I decide I'm going to enjoy it, I usually do.

Hope that helps, I've already taken my advil PM for the night and may not be as coherent as I think.  :)

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 6:29:33 PM   
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is one of my biggest dillemas as a submissive.

I'll admit upfront, I'm one of those humiliation puppies you mention, Akasha. I loooove to be used and abused for amusement at my expense.

But this raises a paradox. Humiliation, by its definition, implies a negative. But I enjoy it...so it's a positive. Maybe I enjoy it in spite of it's negative nature, so it's still a negative? Then again, I might enjoy it because it's a negative, which makes it a positive again, help I'm trapped in a cognitive mobius strip!

On some level, I'm always enjoying what's happening and what I'm doing, even if I've got the "Good gods, I can't believe I'm doing this" or the "Please don't hurt me I'll be good I swear" faces on. I'm joyful in my submission, and it's always been a little confusing and depressing to think I'd be penalized for that joy. I generally don't seek out activities and experiences that would be detrimental or unenjoyable, and BDSM is no different. I like what I do.

So, does that make it less humiliating, or less submissive? I dunno. I don't think so, personally. When I'm told to hold an enema until I think I'm going to burst and then laughed at while I toddle-run to the toilet, even though I'm blushing and whimpering and stammering, I still love it deep down and that'll come out in some way.

I think what I like isn't necessarily the action itself, but the fact that I'm being entertaining and funny and even a little sexy in my vulnerability. So I may not enjoy what is happening (at the moment), but I enjoy the result.

See, this is the problem with metacognition. It makes everything way too freakin' complicated.


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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 6:34:54 PM   
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This is not meant to sound...well..snarky...honest it isn't.

Isn't that a bit like saying it isn't sadistic if the masocist enjoys?

I understand that the reaction to the humilitation is part of the 'turn on' for the one administering it.  IF you aren't getting the reaction that serves your desire then perhaps its just a bad match.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 6:49:11 PM   
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I'll admit upfront, I'm one of those humiliation puppies you mention, Akasha. I loooove to be used and abused for amusement at my expense.


*raises an eyebrow*  "The world is my Mistress, for I am a dork."



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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 6:56:25 PM   
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I enjoy humiliation play from both sides. I’m a bit of emotional masochist, and I am totally the humiliation puppy. I just get a nice happy feeling with it…

Now when I get to use it on someone else, if they aren’t happy and enjoying every minute of it, I get emotionally freaked out. I’d pick a guy like Aidan, he’s enjoying it and I’m getting my emotional sadistic needs met so all good.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/13/2007 7:01:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: aidan
I'll admit upfront, I'm one of those humiliation puppies you mention, Akasha. I loooove to be used and abused for amusement at my expense.


*raises an eyebrow*  "The world is my Mistress, for I am a dork."




All the world's a stage, and I'm the court jester.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/14/2007 1:49:12 AM   
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Humiliation and I have an unusual relationship (unusual for me, that is). It's good, but kinda weird. I'm another one of those humiliation puppies. However, that is difficult, and humiliating, to admit. It's not difficult in the psychological way, but more in that I'm an introvert (INFP on every test I take) and tend to be shy about just how much I do enjoy humiliation. This post, for example, is taking me quite a while to write, which has nothing to do with my typing skills (and is only slightly influenced by my ADD). Actually performing a humiliating task is something I almost always find rather difficult and stressful, but a very different kind of stress than that caused by things like my upcoming finals. In fact, it's a very sexual stress, sort of like a different variety of sexual tension, and not a bad feeling at all. And yet, I still feel shy and reluctant with regard to humiliation. It's like I'm having some sort of inner struggle between my ego and my sex drive. I view it as sort of a 'slut/hate' relationship Needless to say, my slutty side wins in these situations. While I do tend to be reluctant, I still follow through, though I may either need time to build up the courage to go through with whatever the plan is, or possibly some stronger encouragement.

In the rare, but enjoyable, instances that I'm dominating a girl, humiliation, on some level, is always involved. Humiliation is one of those things that turns my crank no matter which orientation I happen to have at the moment.

I'm certainly not the court jester type. In that setting, I think I would prefer something more discrete and subdued, such as kneeling at the Queen's feet, or perhaps between them...


SunNMoon, after seeing your post, I really want to hurry up and find a movie to see with you. Unfortunately, finals are followed by the first of many family gatherings. However, if you're a fan of the Lord of the Rings series, the Riverview is showing all three on the 27th for just $7 (and they have the best popcorn...). Hmm, I should probably message you privately, too. *blush* ;)

Edit: Clarity.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/14/2007 2:17:21 AM   
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It may very well be utter humiliation. Humans have an embarrassment reflex of grinning- the difference between a happy smile and a reflexive horrified or humiliated one is subtle. Look at the other cues body language gives you.
I beleive chimps have the same reflex when being put in their place. it's a weird piece of brain wiring and you'll have to learn the subtlties of it, because if it is joy they need to actually eat shit and understand who's in charge here.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/14/2007 4:03:09 AM   
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aidan two negatives make a positive.
just remember the maths

My take is some things that are humiliating, one can get used to in privacy or a semi private setting such as a bdsm club. So the humiliation fact turns more to pleasure.

Kneeling in public...... The idea just terrifies me, one of the things i think i would never get used to. i can imagine why it gives Lady Jag such a rush.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/14/2007 6:11:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

"The world is my Mistress, for I am a dork."





She maketh me down to lie.
In public scenes, She leadeth me,
The quiet wanker I.

Next, the congregation will sing Hymn 451: "She Who Would Dominant Be".



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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/14/2007 10:41:17 PM   
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quote:

AAkasha said:
For other women that enjoy humiliation on some level, do you enjoy is simply because of the execution of the act, and there is where your pleasure begins and ends?  Or, is it dependent on the reaction of your submissive?  We have all met submissives who are humiliation whores who lap it up like a puppy and just want more.  Do you feel like you are not getting your itch scratched if he seems to absolutely enjoy the entire thing, more than be uncomfortable about it?

Generally speaking, I like shameless, confident men.  So a shit eating grin is one of my favorite facial expressions, no matter what I'm doing to him at the time.  If anything, I'm apt to enjoy a "humiliating" scenario more if he's enjoying himself.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/15/2007 1:03:59 AM   
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In all scenarios I wish to interact with a submissive or slave in a way that brings him or her up... not down. That aside... the vulnerable looks... the pleading looks... the whimpering... the begging... the trembling... the lower lip quaking... the slight shudders and ever so quiet sniffles... really freaking turn me on.

I like the whole consensual non-consent business. I want them to love it deep down... even though their face may reflect the fear of someone being chased by a madman... or the lovely pink colour of someone being stripped down, poked, prodded, verbally assessed and talked about in terms that make them feel (in that moment) that they are on par with a piece of property, a pet or a beast of burden at an auction.

Once the scene is over I don't want them becoming withdrawn. I don't want them cringing, like some battered spouse, with every move I make toward them. I don't want someone picking themselves to pieces in their head.

In short, they have to love it just as much as I do... I just want them to express it differently.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/15/2007 6:49:02 AM   
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Eh, all depends how the shit got there in the first place.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/15/2007 4:40:34 PM   
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In the Ask a Mistress forum, under the heading "Sissies' Acceptance Problem," there's a wondrous YKINOK (Your Kink Is Not OK) riff on humiliation. Join the fun!

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/15/2007 4:48:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Reigna

In the Ask a Mistress forum, under the heading "Sissies' Acceptance Problem," there's a wondrous YKINOK (Your Kink Is Not OK) riff on humiliation. Join the fun!


We are discussing  Sissy's and cding..  there is a slight aside on humiliation and we are discussing what the differences are between that and embarrassment right now.  No one is saying YKINOK.  We just are speaking of how it affected us and our experiences. But not to worry, if one wants to discuss it in depth, we'll join your thread.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/15/2007 6:00:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Reigna

In the Ask a Mistress forum, under the heading "Sissies' Acceptance Problem," there's a wondrous YKINOK (Your Kink Is Not OK) riff on humiliation. Join the fun!


Reigna, you don't have an active profile, so I'll have to address you here.

No one is saying that, least of all the person you're accusing. If you would have read the entire thread, she is the one who has been entirely non-judgmental the entire time and has asked insightful questions in order to better understand things.

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/26/2007 11:21:29 AM   
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The most intense humiliation scenarios I have done are ones that left the submissive so shaken and bruised (from a pride standpoint) that he he reacted with intense embarassment or shame, but later, as soon as the shame subsided, his reaction was unbelievable, intense arousal.  Then, into the following days, he would reflect on the act and find that he was even MORE aroused by it.  Even though during the at he was mortified and ashamed, he realized in retrospect, he enjoyed every moment of it. 

Akasha



This statement caught my attention because it really describes how I came to realize that the D/s experience was wired into my nature.

I was on a date with a new Girlfriend with whom I had previously admitted, in flirting, that I liked to crossdress. I heard about a BDSM exhibition at the Ruby Fruit Jungle, a Lesbian nightclub in the Faubourg Marigny in New Orleans. Even through neither of us had any prior exposure to BDSM, we decided to go just out of curiosity. It turned out, I was very shy and just sat in the shadows and watched, but my Date was totally fascinated and ran around taking to everybody. After a little while my Date came back with a very assertive Woman that was (as I subsequently understood) a Domme. She had that presence, that mystique, that natural authority. Right in front of my Date, and around about half a dozen people in earshot, She just looked me in eye and said, as much as asked, "So you’re a crossdresser?" I was shocked, embarrassed and caught so off guard I couldn’t answer. (My Date, apparently had remembered what I had said before, and had told Her about me.) "Are you wearing panties right now?" She demanded to know. I knew She knew, and I had to answer, "Yes." I felt like everyone in the place was hearing me make that confession. "Come this way," She ordered. She directed and escorted me into the small Ladies’ Room, my Date following. I don’t normally go into Ladies’ Rooms, especially in public places, especially with what felt like everyone watching. So I hesitated, but She just pointed at the door and said, In" and I obeyed. Once the three of us were inside, the Domme ordered me to show my Date what my panties looked like. "Strip," she commanded. Feeling out of place enough in the Ladies’ Room, I looked at the unlocked look. The Domme saw my face and read my thoughts. It only made Her more aggressive, "Strip," She ordered again. My date could barely catch her breath as I started to undress, not because of what I was doing, but because She so impressed by the power, mystique, presence and authority of the Domme. It wasn’t too long before all my outer clothes were in a pile on the floor and I was standing barefoot in the Ladies’ Room in nothing but my panties and cami top. Everything I had learned up to this point in my life taught me I shouldn’t have gone in the room, should not have obeyed, should not have stripped, should not, never, have let myself be exposed in public, in panties. But, there I was, unable to resist, doing as told. I turned around so They could see me front and back; I held my arms out and pirouetted, I posed, I pranced. I stood still and obeyed as the Domme ordered me to let my Date inspect my undies by touching me anywhere and everywhere She wanted. I watched them both stare at me, without words, but talking to each other with raised eyebrows, smiles and giggles. I felt like I was in a dream, unwilling, but unable to stop. Finally with a gesture of "Voa~la" from the Domme, and an unspoken acknowledgement to Her from my Date, They just left me alone like that in the unlocked Ladies’ Room. I was truly scared and mortified, especially as I rushed to get dressed again expecting anyone to walk in and catch me. When I came out, my Date and the Domme were exchanging numbers. The rest of the night went much like the first part, me sitting, maybe hiding, in the shadows and my Date engaging everyone in conversation. Earlier that evening my Date expressed an interest in putting me on a wheel like contraption and spanking me. I wouldn’t do it. Now She came to me and simply ordered me on to the wheel. I did it.

Anyway, the point is, I agree that in the days afterward the experience was way more intense than it was in real time. Perhaps I was just too nervous; to mortified, too truly humiliated to appreciate it when it was happening. It fact, it was my reflections on this one event that ultimately gave me the awakening and understanding of my needs and desires to be part of a D/s relationship and to find intensity, liberation and satisfaction through obedience. To this day, as drawn as I am to the D/s scenario, I still feel intense fear, hesitation and self doubts … but I do my best to push forward, surrender, humiliate myself and abide, because in the end, I know it will have been worth it (especially if it earns a smile from the Lady.)
 

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RE: Is it humiliation if he's wearing a shit eating grin? - 12/26/2007 3:05:41 PM   
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if he's wearing that grin during, no.  afterwards, when the event is over and he's basking in the glow of his satisfaction, then it's ok.

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