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ORIGINAL: oreogirl

On behalf of all rational, open minded, clear thinking, and sane Americans I would like to extend my deepest heartfelt apologies to you, AND your SO.  Simply put, the US government is now run by immature and closeminded assholes who cannot see anything other than their own principles.  You, in your glorious transgendered state, offends them because you represent something they are genetically terrifed of recognizing:  CHANGE AND DIFFERENCE!  Please accept my apologies for the idiocy of the American government, and please do not take the idiots of Homeland Security as indicative off all Americans.  You are most welcome here at any time.

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Just an idea, does anyone think it would be best if the statue of Liberty was removed from it's present location looking out across the sea welcoming people no matter what they may be,symbolising hope, to a museum of America's great past.


There if that was done, it would send the message that America is now 'full' and not so welcoming to others.( I believe the statement at the bottom of the statue says “Give me your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free”) have now been replaced with a handwritten sign saying; 'sorry,full'.

I believe perhaps people in knowing of the existance of Lady Liberty think the US is free to come to.If it were not there the message would be different.

Who knows?

Bit of a thread-jack here ... but:
 
My view is that those wanting to "protect" American, are in fact destroying her. The fondest tradition of this nation, was to take those that other people did not want. This wasn't done to be kind ... I am not so nieve as to assign such lofty motives to my home ... it was done to establish a huge labor force, and for a time, it made the United States and industrial giant.
 
Apologies to my friend Popeye, and many others ... but in my view, you have things backwards. We have everything we need over here, to be, yet again, the world's greatest industrial power ... we have the raw materials, the money to invest, the land. We only lack one thing, and that thing is a large low-wage labor pool.
 
Those playing the protection game, talk about protecting the American worker. What a pointless, point! They want to protect jobs, that we don't even have? Allowing open immigration will not cost any Americans their jobs ... they will cost Chinese, theirs.
 
Again, apologies for the jack ... we now return you to your regularly scheduled griping about the Atlanta airport.

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

The fondest tradition of this nation, was to take those that other people did not want.

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The finger would be appropriate tho the torch could be a malito cocktail.

The USA immegrates more people then any other country- so it isnt entirely true....

At the moment we should return the statue to France- we dont need it. The very dark things we tagged the Soviet Union of doing- we are now doing. We were supposed to be the good guys!

Instead of communism- we have corporatism... a corporate fasict empire. "security" mean the function of the corporate machine. "freedom" now means good for corp interests.

So while we "won" - we lost.
at least for now.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
Quite possibly seeks - I was refering to butch and the statement on immigration, not riches.
It's sooooo good to see you outta bondage now.
 the.dark.

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NG
Taking people in from other countries means absolutely nothing without the political framework to provide them with opportunity, and the United States had that in abundance, more so than any other country on the planet - by a long chalk - somewhere along the line, they lost sight of the foundations on which the country was built... snipped off the last bit

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Soon the time will come when the United States is no longer at the top of the heap… then we can come to CM and snip at the next great power out of envy.

Butch

That'll be China...
 
the.dark.

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i am rational, open minded and clear thinking, and i am not convinced that the trans gendered status had anything to do with stella being rejected.....the more i read, the more i think it was the open ended plans or lack of plans....

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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i am rational, open minded and clear thinking, and i am not convinced that the trans gendered status had anything to do with stella being rejected.....the more i read, the more i think it was the open ended plans or lack of plans....

Unless of course the report we read was revised from the original after embassies got involved.

Taking the OP at face value, the charge of 'false pretenses' on gender issues was flat out wrong, and this person's supervisors should have realized that early on. 
The buzz words repeated in the final report could be applied to just about anyone, and are nearly impossible to defend against.

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My being a TS female was a major issue with the immigration officials, right from the start. I was questioned intensively, I answered all questions openly and honestly, I showed my documents, I gave information, I let them search me, search my luggage. I was accused of trying to enter the US illegally on a fake passport, despite showing five other forms of ID with the same identity. I was mocked, laughed at, called a liar.. accused of fraud and threatened with immediate deportation. At one point I had six officials surrounding me demanding to know whether I had a penis or not. I was told 'In the US you're male, get over it' and 'You ain't got no rights here'.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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My being a TS female was a major issue with the immigration officials, right from the start. I was questioned intensively, I answered all questions openly and honestly, I showed my documents, I gave information, I let them search me, search my luggage. I was accused of trying to enter the US illegally on a fake passport, despite showing five other forms of ID with the same identity. I was mocked, laughed at, called a liar.. accused of fraud and threatened with immediate deportation. At one point I had six officials surrounding me demanding to know whether I had a penis or not. I was told 'In the US you're male, get over it' and 'You ain't got no rights here'.

Did your documents conflict? AKA do present physically as a female but have a male gender on your passport?

I must say this presents an interesting immigration case. I wonder if they had true legal grounds to refuse your entry into the USA.

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yes, but im referring to the things stella has written on her site, and in these forums......not what the officials wrote.........

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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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i am rational, open minded and clear thinking, and i am not convinced that the trans gendered status had anything to do with stella being rejected.....the more i read, the more i think it was the open ended plans or lack of plans....

Unless of course the report we read was revised from the original after embassies got involved.

Taking the OP at face value, the charge of 'false pretenses' on gender issues was flat out wrong, and this person's supervisors should have realized that early on. 
The buzz words repeated in the final report could be applied to just about anyone, and are nearly impossible to defend against.

yes, but im referring to the things stella has written on her site, and in these forums......not what the officials wrote.........

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

From my experience with an immigration attorney that advised on the processing of my Canadian husband, US immigration can deny any pesron entry if they have a suspicion that person may be intending to remain in the US without obtaining the proper work visa to do so. It dosen't matter what can or cannot be proven. They can just have a hunch about you and turn you away. Based on the simple fact that my husband is not a good liar, we were told that there was no way he should go to Canada simply to say goodbye to his family and turn around and come back into the US, because they'd question the quick turnaround. Even if he brought no luggage, and had no physical evidence on him that suggested he was coming back here to get married. The fact that he could not truthfully answer, "Do you intend to come into the US to get married and stay?" would mean he'd get denied.

He got grilled the first time he came in with the same types of questions, and fortunately, it wasn't a lie at that point, because he was just coming here to visit for a short while as we collected information regarding a permanent visa for him. Sort of the same thing Stella was hoping to do, but in talking to attorneys, we still knew that it would be foolish to even suggest that a longterm stay was a remote possibility.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Administrative agencies cannot lawfully act in an arbitrary and capricious manner. All entrants into the USA must have proper documentation and the purpose of their entry must comport with their entry status, e.g. visitiors cannot come with an intention to work or an intention to remain indefinitely. Folks with a particular work visa must conform to the terms of that visa, etc.

It looks to me like the OP was denied entry into the US based on the following:

Nonimmigrants (NI) lacking documents

A nonimmigrant arriving at a port of entry who is not in possession of a passport valid for a minimum of six months, or is not in possession of a valid nonimmigrant visa (except those countries participating in the visa waiver pilot program) at the time of application for admission, is inadmissible per INA § 212(a)(7)(B).

Given what the OP said, it looks like the border patrol did not accept her passport as valid, and it seems that their suspicions centered on gender confusion relating to her documented identity. Had she pressed the issue, she could have requested a hearing. In any event, it looks to me like maybe she had a male passport photo or a male gender in the passport while presenting herself as a female at the border. If this is true, then border authorities had reasonable grounds to exclude her based on invalid documentation, hence she may have had the same problem at different border crossing point as well.

Other grounds for inadmissibility into the USA also include:

Health, Criminal Background, Security Concerns, Public Charge and labor regulations.

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Part of the reason for "illegal immigration" is that the maze of laws really do not provide for legal ways to enter and work in the USA. Ironically, too, those striving to comply with US immigration laws experience a fair amount of compliance aggravation and stress --- if not outright denials.

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In any event, it looks to me like maybe she had a male passport photo or a male gender in the passport while presenting herself as a female at the border. If this is true, then border authorities had reasonable grounds to exclude her based on invalid documentation,

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

The OP was denied for this reason, according to the paperwork she posted. It says at a mimimum - but the real reason and the case they built is around the working issue.

Based on the above Ms. BAKER is not clearly and beyond a doubt admissible to the United States. Her claim to just be visiting friends for Christmas appears false. She is unable to overcome the presumption of being an Immigrant to the United States. She, at minimum is inadmissible Per: 212.a (7) (A) (i) (I) INA. Other inadmissibility charges may also apply. She will be refused under the VWPP.

The above named subject arrived, this date seeking admission as a WT visitor for pleasure. She stated her trip was for an undetermined length of time claiming everything depended on how things went with friends she met over the internet in Mississippi.

She stated that she was basically not qualified or famous enough to get into the United States as an artist. She stated Immigration through marriage was possible. She stated a possible plan of marrying a U.S. Citizen female in England to achieve this goal.