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RE: Blue balls... - 12/17/2007 5:52:46 AM

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There have been quite a few scientific articles in recent years about the importance of male orgasm to prostate health. Apparently, you can't leave that goop hanging around too long.

When I first learned that orgasms help prostate health, I read about a case of a man whose doctor administered prostate massage on him after an extended period of no orgasms (year or years?). I don't remember how long it had been, what symptoms he was having, or anything of that sort. All I remember is that the doctor had a tough time and out came something that was thick like pasta!

Gross! I could not masturbate for I don't know how long after reading that! But then I got over the pasta bit and the moral of the story hit me while I was driving home one day. And then I was in such a rush to masturbate that I pulled over on the side of the road to take care of business!

Just kidding ;-)

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AFAIK, there have been no studies done on the effects of repeated T&D vs. total neglect, and i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for one, personally.

I have submitted a request to the American Medical Association for such a study and volunteered myself and a few others as subjects for this study. Actually, I just volunteered myself under 5 different names. But hey. Anything in the name of science ;-)

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/17/2007 2:30:42 PM

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undergroundsea wrote: When I first learned that orgasms help prostate health, I read about a case of a man whose doctor administered prostate massage on him after an extended period of no orgasms (year or years?). I don't remember how long it had been, what symptoms he was having, or anything of that sort. All I remember is that the doctor had a tough time and out came something that was thick like pasta!

Gross! I could not masturbate for I don't know how long after reading that!

Man, talk about self-fulfilling prophecies...

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/17/2007 3:21:23 PM

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I don't know if long term denial has any negative effects on prostate health. From everything I have read, the jury is still out on that. It's really never been a big fetish of mine to undergo long term denial. I have talked to a few women that seemed to love the idea. But I have always been a little perplexed by one of the reasons. There are some that believe orgasm denial leads to passivity and a better willingness to behave. I can see some logic in that when it is applied to the short term.

However, I do know that fighters are often directed by their trainers to refrain from sexual activity. The reason for that being is that sexual frustration increases aggression. I can't vouch for that based on personal experience, but that seems to make a lot of sense to me. Male mammals are extremely aggressive towards other males, and towards females during mating cycles. After all, most animals don't have the ability to masturbate.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/17/2007 9:28:14 PM

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i love how the women her can speak about blue balls and how it doesnt cause any pain because im sure they are speaking from reliable first hand sources. yes it does exist. it varies from male to male. some feel it when tafter a week. others need to jerk off but not cum to get the fluids going which will cause the discomfort in as little as 3 days without cumming (my case) its like a soft kick to the balls that last for a while, like a paintball to the balls with paintball pants on (no cup in them). others vary. my suggestion is to ask some men at chastitylifestyle.com for more accurate answers. not women who are used to hearing what they want to hear (im not saying its a bad thing i often tell them what they want to hear as not to appear as whiny.) as for health things its up in the air my suggestion is talk to a eurologist (spelling), not joe smo on the internet with a survey. it also might be humilating to make him wear it into the eurologist office and make him ask about it, or do the talking for him.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/18/2007 5:21:19 AM

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others need to jerk off but not cum to get the fluids going which will cause the discomfort in as little as 3 days without cumming (my case) its like a soft kick to the balls that last for a while, like a paintball to the balls with paintball pants on (no cup in them).

Hm, now there's an interesting take on the phrase... "Oh, do blue balls hurt? Okay, what about green balls?" *pop* "Green balls hurt too? Okay, is pink better or worse?" *pop* "I don't have any purple, so I'll have to mix red and blue..." *pop pop* "Does that still hurt? Aw, poor baby..."

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/18/2007 6:03:36 AM

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OOo I have never ever heard of "blue balls" lol.

From the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_balls

Apparently women can suffer from "pink ovaries", how apt lol.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/18/2007 9:46:06 AM

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"my suggestion is to ask some men at chastitylifestyle.com for more accurate answers. not women who are used to hearing what they want to hear (im not saying its a bad thing i often tell them what they want to hear as not to appear as whiny.) as for health things its up in the air my suggestion is talk to a eurologist (spelling), not joe smo on the internet with a survey."

1.) In my opinion it is always a good idea to check seceral sources before making any final decisions.

2.) Hmmm, I don't know about you but I certainly do not know EVERYONE on this site or that will be passing through the forums at any given time and I think it very ignorant to assume that NONE of them could possibly work as a medical profissional with very specific knowledge on this or any other health subject.

3.) Collarchat is ONE source of many that can offer different experiences and knowledge. For me, not to ask here would be a waste of a resource.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/18/2007 6:53:32 PM

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I advise paintball enthusiasts to wear an athletic cup and breast plates,
along with a helmet to protect themselves from flying balls.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/19/2007 8:23:46 AM

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Now, there are some important things to keep in mind about keeping a male in chaste. Without some form of regular stimulation to the penis, it often becomes leathery and loses a great deal of sensation. To prevent such a thing from happening, it is important to once or twice a week, tie your sub down, remove the chastity device and stroke him gently, allowing him to obtain a full erection. Do this on and off for an hour or so, and his penis will remain in good health. This may not be as much of an issue if your sub is obedient enough to refrain from masturbating himself without a chastity device in place.

BondageSlaveMN,
I know you got some questioning about this part of your post, but I agree that extended chastity and denial can cause a loss of sensation in the penis. So what you've said makes sense to me. I can't say anything regarding the frequency of the practice you've described, but I do know from experience that the use of extended periods of chastity and denial can have adverse effects on men as discussed here in other threads on this board. Ditto for the kind of conditioning where a sub isn't allowed to ejaculate until he's given permission to do so while pleasing his Mistress.

This kind of conditioning can be debilitating and very difficult to overcome as it can lead to a variety of sexual difficulties for the sub ranging from ED, loss of sensitivity in his penis to stimulation, losing his ability to ejaculate during intercourse, and loss of his general desire for sexual activity. I speak from experience as have others in various threads on these boards; something most are reluctant to talk about for fear of ridicule as I feel has occurred here and for other obvious reasons.

To the OP and others,
For those Mistresses and subs entertaining the idea of playing with orgasm denial/control or extended periods of chastity, I'd strongly encourage you to weigh the potential downside vs. the thought of how "hot" it may sound for a Domme to have control over her sub's ability to ejaculate at will. And I don't mean for him to masturbate whenever he get's turned on either (assuming you're local and together regularly or lucky enough to be 24/7). For me, it's something I prefer to save so I can share the experience with my Mistress, but I recognize not all men have that kind of mindset or self-control (we're also not local, so I'm encouraged not to as part of undoing my previous conditioning).

As to the issue of prostate cancer, I think it's well documented at this point in time that men over 50 are at a much higher risk of prostate cancer than younger men and should be tested yearly. Research has also shown that lack of sexual activity, exluding milking, causes the prostate to enlarge, which is one of the major factors which leads to prostate cancer (sorry, I don't recall all the details). So again, if extended chastity is being considered, my recollection is that milking the prostate at least once/month is something which should be part of the plan for the health and safety of the sub.

Bottom line, if you're not going to play SSC, at least be RACK aware!

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/20/2007 3:02:41 AM

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how long is too long?

depends on the person and the training. it took me quite awhile to be able to build up to 3 days of continual tease and denial with no release. i think the bodies natural cycle is about 3 days. 7 days is another tough goal to reach. after about 8 years of chastity training, 17 days to 30 days is now possible and not too long. in the beginning of building tolerance though, 3 days is enough to start, with 1 week is a great goal. eventually 2 weeks will be possible. if you can make it that far with your sub, you will notice some very interesting behavioral changes in the second week that are just not possible without at least 7 days of denial.

i would say with chastity training, you can set a goal of time, but really you need to be able to read your sub, especially when pushing these boundaries.

also, i think it is crucial that sexual tension be kept up during denial. masturbation without completion, sex without male orgasmic release, teases and what not.

it is true, the feeling of blue balls can be quite painful to the uninitiated, it becomes psychological too. i think overcoming the demand that "i wanna come right now!!' "give it to me now, i am caveman" helps men grow as people. it is a very hard thing to control. so learning control is a challenge but so rewarding. riding the energy buzz that it creates (riding the lightning, riding the razor) can be both intoxicating and enlightening. i once served a Mistress with a fetish for blue balls, which made me have a fetish for blue balls. the burning pain, like 20 minutes after ball busting, but for hours, is really exciting. she would tease constantly, or that is to say multiple times daily to keep that energy up. she encouraged multiple edgings a day. she could simply say a few words to me after days of this, or just a laugh, and the pang of the pain was there again.

as for slaveboyforyou's theorem of unreleased orgasm equalling aggression, well the hormones have many phases and that isn't really why that works. if you check out some concepts on tao, the idea is not releasing the life force. if you have experience with chastity, then you know that there is a major energy lull, deep restful feeling that lasts a few days after a big release. so if a major performance or major meeting or something you need to be really up for is on your horizon, and you are male, not orgasming really helps. having had lots of sexual tension, teasing, edging and what not adds to that even more. people do all sorts of things to up their energy and health, next to a good diet and good rest i have never seen anything benefit a performance more than good old fashioned blue balling.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/20/2007 7:45:21 PM

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so if a major performance or major meeting or something you need to be really up for is on your horizon, and you are male, not orgasming really helps. having had lots of sexual tension, teasing, edging and what not adds to that even more.

Reminds me of meetings when I would get that inexplicable, inescapable (even if you thought about, like, square roots or something) cold room-full bladder erection. And then I would have to walk out of the meeting with my hand in my pocket. It's a good thing mine heads to the left. Because then I can keep my left hand in my pocket. If it instead went to the right, I would have to put my right hand in my pocket. And can you imagine having your right hand in your pocket and then someone extending a hand for a handshake?

;-)

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/20/2007 11:12:16 PM

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Is there any real danger in pro-longed orgasm control with a male? I have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful but I do not know if that pain can result in real damage.

I cannot imagine that I would want to pro-long the denial for long as I love his orgasms as well but I do not have any idea how long is too long and I do NOT wish to damage him.

Thanks folks!!
Deeddlit

You have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful from a man, haven't you? I have been told from a MALE doctor that blue balls causes no pain at all, it's just a guilt trip that men use on women to have sex or just in general get their nuts off. Prolonged orgasm control will result in nothing but an extremely antsy and possibly turned-nasty submissive.

*Wanted to add that my males cousins and best friend (who is a guy) have all concurred with my doctor's statement.*