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SubmissiveAK -> An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 12:20:26 AM)

Hello A/all,

I was talking with a friend the other day, some of the things possible when you really open up to someone. hit upon the idea of using hypnotic suggestion to condition a sub to wear a locket every day, not thinking about it or ever think to opening it. Inside there's a picture of the owner/dominant, and the sub never realizes its actually collar.

I think it would be a way to provide the sub with the same comfort wearing a collar does subconciously, and the dom/me that extra smile knowing its there. Would that be pushing things a little too far?

Playfully mischievous,
~submissiveAK~



Sephy -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 12:36:34 AM)

Reading that gave me a cold shiver..... As far as I see it, the whole consent issue goes out of the window if one party is unaware of whats happening. Also, if you are hypnotised into wearing a 'collar' is it really a collar? You havent made a conscious decsion to wear it, without that decision, wouldnt it be nothing more meaningful than a necklace?
Just my opinion

Sephy
x 



MasterFireMaam -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 12:38:53 AM)

I'm more inclined to think it's unnecesary. If a submissive is have such a problem about the collar, it's my opinion that the physical symbol is more important than the relationship to the person. I understand the rush about collars...I love seeing my collar on someone and I have one of my own (collared to my calling), but in the end, these things are just jewelry.

I learned this through experience. My wedding rings were always a huge symbol for me. I've been married twice. I enjoyed the comfort of the rings and even wore my second set on a necklace when they became too large for me. But, in neither marriage did having the physical wedding rings make the relationship last or work in the end.

This just really isn't about collars.

Master Fire



Estring -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 12:38:54 AM)

What happens when the collar regains consciousness?



peppermint -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 1:31:02 AM)

If a hypnotist/Dom, gets a kick out giving me a suggestion to wear a certain piece of jewelry, then so be it.  However, "I" am not collared until "I" agree to accept a collar.  If this hypnotist/Dom person feels differently, then he is sadly mistaken.  I would begin to seriously wonder if he were a Dominant at all...or just a silly hypnotist playing a sick joke. 

So yes....that would be pushing a fantasy way too far, IMO.



spanklette -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 3:18:47 AM)

I'm not sure what the point of such a gesture would be...I wore my father's wedding ring for a time after he passed away, obviously the symbolism was not the same to me as it would have been to my mother. It was a piece of jewelry that couldn't forge the connection that I really wanted it to. This ring that had meant so much during his life had lost it's meaning...in fact, it didn't mean a thing.
 
That's what I would equate having that type of "collar" to. It would be a piece of jewelry that was intended to symbolize a certain aspect of a realtionship but loses it's meaning somewhere along the way.
 
On a side note, when I was a teenager and going out a lot, I purchased a cheap silver band for 17 bucks. I wore it on my left ring finger to denote a marriage and make me look older. Later, I used it to masquerade as married so the guys would leave me alone. For some reason it has taken on some personal meaning to me and I still wear it...I don't think I've had it off in over 10 years. Out of all of the "meaningful" jewelry that has come in and out of my hands, this is the one that has had sticking power.
 
The whole point of that is that I have learned the difference between collars as accessories and collars as symbols. In the case you describe, it would be an accessory. As long as no one has a problem with that, then more power to them. But, if I were the Dominant, I would wonder why I had to hypnotize my submissive to wear a symbol of my ownership...but, that's just me.



DesFIP -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 6:08:21 AM)

Sounds like a way for the dom to feel like he/she's collared someone while he hasn't. Dom mind fucking himself because until the other person agrees to be collared, they aren't.



Dnomyar -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 6:28:35 AM)

Agrees with what shepy said.



SubmissiveAK -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 7:56:02 AM)

I should have clarified, this is assuming the sub is already collared and its only an issue of wearing something in public. I would never support trancing someone without thier consent.



Dnomyar -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 7:58:47 AM)

You dont need to wear a big collar in public. There are other things that oyu could wear in its place. I do know of a lot of kids who do but they are not in the lifestyle. So what would be the purpose of it? 



RCdc -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 8:00:06 AM)

I don't believe the s-type should be collared then in that case.  She submits or doesn't - simple.
However, as a tool I would think that it would be an interesting scenario - being under the impression of wearing something that isn't actually there - pretty cool mindfuck really.
 
the.dark.



Prinsexx -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 8:31:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmissiveAK



IWould that be pushing things a little too far?


Yes way too far. Non-consensual domination. Mind control. Yeeuuukkk



Prinsexx -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 8:33:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I don't believe the s-type should be collared then in that case.  She submits or doesn't - simple.
However, as a tool I would think that it would be an interesting scenario - being under the impression of wearing something that isn't actually there - pretty cool mindfuck really.
 
the.dark.

I'm into mindfucks and this wouldn't be one of them......



Prinsexx -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 8:36:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: spanklette


But, if I were the Dominant, I would wonder why I had to hypnotize my submissive to wear a symbol of my ownership...but, that's just me.

I agree



DesFIP -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 12:44:39 PM)

So the problem is she can't wear a blacck leather, covered in O rings collared stamped slut of Master X. But she can wear a little silver anklet without violating her dress code. Or she can have a tag on her key chain. Or she can, like me, wear a very pretty necklace that garners compliments everywhere she goes. All these things are the same as the play collar. There's no need for hypnotism, just to state straightforwardly that he wants her to wear this instead, and save the play collar for play time.



Sinergy -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 4:47:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmissiveAK

I should have clarified, this is assuming the sub is already collared and its only an issue of wearing something in public. I would never support trancing someone without thier consent.


Wouldnt a collared sub make every effort to ensure they were wearing their collar?

Sinergy



PanthersMom -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 4:57:49 PM)

i just don't understand.  if the sub is already collared, then why would wearing a symbol of that collaring be an issue?  in most cases, what a person wears is their own business, and things like rings or necklaces are meaningful only to the giver and receiver.  unless you're going around wearing a 3 x 3 foot sign that says "this is the symbol of my collaring" who the heck is going to know or actually give a damn?

PM



PsyVamp -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 4:59:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

You dont need to wear a big collar in public. There are other things that oyu could wear in its place. I do know of a lot of kids who do but they are not in the lifestyle. So what would be the purpose of it? 


A collar could simply be a special piece of jewelry, like the silver necklace that my pet wears, there is nothing overt that screams D/s, its just a simple piece of silver to the rest of the world.

Lady Jag (Psy)




Estring -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/17/2007 5:05:10 PM)

But it's not a collar, it's a locket. Hypnotizing someone to think it is a locket and pretending that it is actually a collar? Is that what you are suggesting? Unless I am missing something, it seems kind of pointless.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: An unconscious Collar? (12/18/2007 7:26:26 PM)

I don't understand- they don't think something can be a "collar" unless it's a choker type black thing with metal in it?



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