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FirmhandKY -> The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 4:16:56 PM)


According to peer-reviewed research, the only reason that women live past menopause is because older men screw younger women ....

Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan

Extracts:

Hamilton quantified this argument by showing that a rare mutation reducing survival is opposed by a selective force that declines with age over reproductive life. He used a female-only demographic model, predicting that female menopause at age ca. 50 yrs should be followed by a sharp increase in mortality, a “wall of death.”

Human lives obviously do not display such a wall. Explanations of the evolution of lifespan beyond the age of female menopause have proven difficult to describe as explicit genetic models.

Here we argue that the inclusion of males and mating patterns extends Hamilton's theory and predicts the pattern of human senescence. We analyze a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce. Male fertility can only result from matings with fertile females, and we present a range of data showing that males much older than 50 yrs have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans.

Thus old-age male fertility provides a selective force against autosomal deleterious mutations at ages far past female menopause with no sharp upper age limit, eliminating the wall of death.

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Because selection to maintain survival should fall to zero after female menopause by age 55 yrs [4], accumulation of mutations that reduce old-age survival rates should lead to a sharp rise in mortality at female menopause (Fig. 1), aptly called a “wall of death.”

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Late male fertility derives from diverse cultural patterns of mating, including age gaps at marriage, serial monogamy and polygyny. Universally, older males marry younger females (by 5–15 yrs in less-developed, traditional societies [26]). The mating age gap is most pronounced in societies that favor polygyny [27], or a gerontocracy [14], in which old men monopolize access to reproductive females.

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Additionally, molecular evidence [31] and studies of human sexual dimorphism and testes size [32] suggest that humans were polygynous through much of our evolutionary history. Late age male fertility also results from serial monogamy, because men are more likely to remarry than women.

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Our analysis (see Appendix S1) shows that the age-specific force of selection is a weighted average of the remaining survival-weighted reproduction in each sex. Equation (1) tells us that after the age of last female reproduction the Hamiltonian force of selection is derived entirely from the pattern of male reproduction with younger females. Our analysis of mating patterns shows that productive mating between men older than the age of female menopause and younger women was likely a feature of early human life. Even when life was much shorter than today there was a reasonable supply of older males: among hunter gatherers with an expected lifespan of 33.5 yrs, the ratio of 70 yr olds to 30 yr olds was about 0.32 and to 40 yr olds was about 0.37 [5]. Therefore natural selection should have acted against survival-reducing mutations and delayed the onset of rapid senescence for as much as two decades past female menopause.
Let me parse all this, and give you the bottom line in plain English:

Women only live past menopause because older men have sex with younger women.

So why do so many women complain about May-December romances, when they actually save lives? [:D][:D][:D][:D]

Food for thought.

Firm




Prinsexx -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 4:50:31 PM)

Allow me to parse a littel further: absolutely.




BondageSlaveMN -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 4:53:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
So why do so many women complain about May-December romances, when they actually save lives? [:D][:D][:D][:D]


Simply because natural selection doesn't operate nearly as effectively in modern humanity as it did when we were monkeys.




LadyLegs -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 4:55:54 PM)

So sex is fatal for women over 55? I better hurry up & load up now....




sexyred1 -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 4:59:30 PM)

Maybe I am tired, but this survey makes NO sense whatsoever. Why would women live past menopause because men have sex with younger women.

What about women like myself who have sex with YOUNGER men? How does that skew the survey?

Does that mean I will drop dead soon? If so, I kind of like the thought of dying in the saddle with a younger rider.




BondageSlaveMN -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 5:09:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Maybe I am tired, but this survey makes NO sense whatsoever. Why would women live past menopause because men have sex with younger women.

What about women like myself who have sex with YOUNGER men? How does that skew the survey?

Does that mean I will drop dead soon? If so, I kind of like the thought of dying in the saddle with a younger rider.


Presumably the argument is that woman live longer so that they may serve and care after the older men. At least that is what I took from this study.

Again, this study presumes natural selection is allowed to operate whereas modern humanity operates under artificial selection.




lronitulstahp -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 5:10:47 PM)

Thanks for the post, i knew there was a reason i prefered 'em a bit seasoned.  i'm naturally a giver(smile).




BondageSlaveMN -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 5:13:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Maybe I am tired, but this survey makes NO sense whatsoever. Why would women live past menopause because men have sex with younger women.

What about women like myself who have sex with YOUNGER men? How does that skew the survey?

Does that mean I will drop dead soon? If so, I kind of like the thought of dying in the saddle with a younger rider.


Is dying whilst fucking a new kink for some people? The problem is that you can only do it once.




sexyred1 -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 5:42:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BondageSlaveMN

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Maybe I am tired, but this survey makes NO sense whatsoever. Why would women live past menopause because men have sex with younger women.

What about women like myself who have sex with YOUNGER men? How does that skew the survey?

Does that mean I will drop dead soon? If so, I kind of like the thought of dying in the saddle with a younger rider.


Is dying whilst fucking a new kink for some people? The problem is that you can only do it once.



Nah, it is not a kink; probably just the most fun way to leave this earth, don't you think?




tanna -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 6:12:02 PM)

My vote goes to older women having sex with younger men.. After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. [:D]




xBullx -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 6:19:28 PM)

-fast reply-

Seems to me that 40's should fuck 20's; 50's should fuck 30's; 60's should fuck .......uhmmmm, well...........yes, they should fuck too....[:D]




FirmhandKY -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 6:22:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BondageSlaveMN

Again, this study presumes natural selection is allowed to operate whereas modern humanity operates under artificial selection.


uh ... please define for me, the difference between "natural" selection and "artificial" selection as you see it?

Firm




wisteriaV -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 6:23:18 PM)

Yea what Bull Sir said [:D]




FirmhandKY -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 6:23:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

-fast reply-

Seems to me that 40's should fuck 20's; 50's should fuck 30's; 60's should fuck .......uhmmmm, well...........yes, they should fuck too....[:D]


[sm=applause.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]




DesFIP -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 6:24:31 PM)

I don't care what you say, you gerontocrat, you come near my barely legal and I will be after you with a shotgun.

And you are carefully leaving out the link between older, wealthier males hogging all the available females and higher rates of violence and terrorism. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002217.html

3 hours sleep, can't spell typos




proudsub -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 7:37:55 PM)

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60's should fuck .......uhmmmm, well...........yes, they should fuck too....[:D]

Don't worry we do.[;)]




BondageSlaveMN -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 7:58:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: BondageSlaveMN

Again, this study presumes natural selection is allowed to operate whereas modern humanity operates under artificial selection.


uh ... please define for me, the difference between "natural" selection and "artificial" selection as you see it?

Firm



Natural selection is what occurs when nature is allowed it's course. A wolf born with a heart defect will likely die and not pass on its genes. Artificial selection occurs in the modern human populace because such defects are corrected and allowed to pass on to the next generation. Of course having a congenital heart defect will lessen the likelihood that the person will reproduce, but not nearly as much as in nature.

The literal defintion of artificial selection is when an experimnetor selects a specific characteristic and either allows or does not allow that characteristic to be breed into the next generation (much like a dog breeder might do). My use of the term artificial selection may not be a judicious use of the term. Perhaps I should have said augmented selection or something of the like. Point is that humanity no longer operates under the same sort of selection as it did when a longer life was selected for women according to this report.




LotusSong -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 8:05:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

-fast reply-

Seems to me that 40's should fuck 20's; 50's should fuck 30's; 60's should fuck .......uhmmmm, well...........yes, they should fuck too....[:D]


... just so long as the prostate holds up.  Men seem to "peter out" in their 50's




BondageSlaveMN -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 8:08:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

-fast reply-

Seems to me that 40's should fuck 20's; 50's should fuck 30's; 60's should fuck .......uhmmmm, well...........yes, they should fuck too....[:D]


... just so long as the prostate holds up.  Men seem to "peter out" in their 50's


That's what viagra and the like are for.




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: The secret to life after menopause - Older men/younger women ... (12/18/2007 8:24:51 PM)

Shoot!..I just knew I should of taken up knitting a year ago!!!..wait!!..I think my heart just skipped a beat!!!!!!!!..[:o].......never mind.....it was just my chili din din...[8D]...Tempting




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