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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 5:10:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Katy, you're being so non bitchy.
You must be very horny.

Personally...the whole thread seems somewhat pointless because this is one of those subjective things.  How I like and want to get eaten out ain't gonna be how the girl down the street is gonna want it.
And there was no mention at all about a nice hard slap to the pussy.  What's up with that?


Agreed.  95% of that stuff wasn't even remotely applicable to me, but thankfully I have a partner that actually listens rather than just assuming.  We're all different.  No advice ever applies to the majority when it comes to sex.

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 6:39:35 PM   
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Sadly I have found that some men are sorely lacking in the art of Cunnilingus. Some of what the OP said was groovy, but not all women are more sensitive at the "1 o'clock position either...


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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 7:29:29 PM   
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I know it's the perfectionist in me, but, aarrgghhh... the formatting of my op has been driving me to distraction.  Here's what it should have looked like:

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Around this time last year I posted a “holiday gift” to dominants in a thread and shared some helpful hints on how a dominant might go about exploring his sub’s kinkier side.  I thought I’d continue the tradition and offer up some unsolicited advice that may or may not be of use, but might not otherwise be as freely given.  This year, I thought I'd broach the subject of cunnilingus.

Bear in mind that I’m hardly an expert on all women and the best source for information for what the woman in your life likes would be her… however, I’ve heard enough complaints and have had enough experience in my own past that I feel I can give some fairly decent suggestions.  At least a few that might be applicable to some women, anyway.  

Probably the foremost thing I could recommend to men is to consider what feels good for you.  Men and women are a lot more alike than you might think… in some respects, anyway.    

Too often men give the impression that they believe that it should only take mere moments of stimulation to bring a woman to orgasm.   

*lick, lick, insert finger, suck, lick*  Why isn’t she screaming in ecstasy yet?  


While that may be true in certain cases where a woman is already extremely aroused, with some hyper-sensitive women, or for porn flicks… for the most part women are going to take just as long as any man would take in a similar state of arousal.     

The next time she gives you a blow job, time it to see how long it takes you to reach orgasm.   Then, give her at least the same amount of time if she needs it.  

Next bit of advice would be to start off slow and with a gentler touch.  You can always increase sensation, but it’s hard to restore arousal to your girl if you’ve attacked her clit with teeth right off the bat.   

That is, if you can pry her off the ceiling.  

Think about what would feel good to you if your girl was to give you a hand job from a semi-flaccid state.  Would you want her to grab you and just start yanking?  Or would some soft strokes and gentle rubs be a better way to get your motor going?  

Of course, with a masochist sub your warm up might involve a flogger or a single tail.    

Also, just like men, most women reach orgasm through the same kind of process… ever increasing speed and pressure.  A steady pace will get her there, but it will take a lot longer.  

The final two pieces I feel halfway comfortable in giving are just general information.   First, the clitoris is not an equal opportunity organ.  There are places on the clitoris that are more sensitive than others… “hot spots”, if you will.  I’ve read that generally the most sensitive part of the clit for women is in the “one o’clock” position... that is, if you are facing a woman’s genitalia, the area on the side of the clit that would be at “one o’clock” on a clock face.  I don’t know how prevalent the “one o’clock” hot spot is, though… my own is at eleven.   

Finally, variety is generally not a friend to women.  It may seem a bit boring to you, but if you keep changing up what you are doing (licking to sucking to stroking, etc.), it’s going to take a lot more effort and a lot more time to get her off.  Find the sweet spot and stick to it… don’t stop the stimulation.  Women do not reach a “point of no return” like men do and when stimulation stops, ground is quickly lost.  

Best wishes and happy holidays to all!

Treasure


*sighs* 

Anyway...

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ORIGINAL: MystressDream

...Sorry to say, but there are MANY men (NOT ALL)out there who don't really have a clue about how to do this well.  ::: ducking from the flames :::


No flames from me... I'd have to agree with you.  Of course, I can only speak from my own personal experience in the past, but I've known far too many men who would brag about how they love to give oral, and that they would lick and suck and tease for hours... but in truth, well... that didn't happen.

For the most part, I don't think there was any real deception intended, but more a lack of knowledge and a misconception.  I think that some men might be operating under the idea that a woman's clit is so sensitive that getting them off should be effortless.  Maybe that is true for some women, maybe even most. 

Perhaps these men have only ever been with hyper-sensitive women and they've never had the opportunity to explore and play with a woman's clit for any length of time.  If you can only "practice" an activity for minute or two at a time, it might take a while to become proficient. 

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

...We're all different.  No advice ever applies to the majority when it comes to sex.


Agreed.  That's why I said, "...I feel I can give some fairly decent suggestions.  At least a few that might be applicable to some women, anyway."

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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Sadly I have found that some men are sorely lacking in the art of Cunnilingus. Some of what the OP said was groovy, but not all women are more sensitive at the "1 o'clock position either...


As I said, I'm not most sensitive in that position, either.  I don't know how accurate the claims were that I mentioned, but I thought perhaps just giving the knowledge that there were "hot spots" might be beneficial.  Relaying the "one o'clock" information at least gives the guys a place to start with. 

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 8:46:14 PM   
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I saw nothing wrong with the OP, or the info she passed along..frankly, if some Dominants feel they know all about cunnilingus, well HOORAY for you and yours..!!..But I have also found in my 32 years of sexual activity, vanilla and non alike, that way too many males had not clue one..although many have claimed how they were expert, and bragged about how many women they had satisfied ..(I suspect good acting on womens part for this).But, if one of the clueless pays a wee bit of attention, and passes the word on, then fanfuckingtastic!I have got to hand it to the men who spend 3 minutes down there, comes up beaming and thinks he has conquered the world....OY VEY!...Tempting

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 9:01:00 PM   
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File this under Fools Rush In; especially when the topic
was raised and has been commented on by women I respect.

As a male I may have a contribution to make
on this topic.  This information,

http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/scripts98/9825/clitoris.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5013866.stm

Two news stories about Dr. Helen O'Connell's pioneering research into the actual anatomy of the clitorus, a widely ignored subject in anatomy texts and knowledge. Her conclusions are that the clitorus
is about the same mass as a penis.

It may give males something to consider.  Personally I
am actively seeking a partner for personal research.

Outlier

< Message edited by Outlier2 -- 12/19/2007 9:31:02 PM >


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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 9:09:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Outlier2

File this under Fools Rush In; especially when the topic
was raised and has been commented on by women I respect.

As a male I may have a contribution to make
on this topic.  This information,

http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/scripts98/9825/clitoris.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5013866.stm

Two news stories about Helen O'Connell's pioneering research into the actual anatomy of the clitorus, a widely ignored subject in anatomy texts and knowledge. Her conclusions are that the clitorus
is about the same mass as a penis.

It may give males something to consider.  Personally I
am actively seeking a partner for personal research.

Outlier
Outlier....I have read the information you have so nicely passed on. I find it highly informative...and am certainly hopeful that the so ignored clitorus will no longer be such a mystery......Tempting

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/19/2007 9:42:03 PM   
Outlier2


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Tempting,

Isn't it great that the doctor who discovered the real shape
of the clitorus is an Australian urologist, Dr Helen O'Connell.

A doctor from "down under".

Outlier


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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 10:28:34 AM   
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Thanks Outlier
 
Awesome info!

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 10:52:33 AM   
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quote:

First, the clitoris is not an equal opportunity organ.

Could we debate this please?

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 10:57:07 AM   
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quote:

If you can only "practice" an activity for minute or two at a time, it might take a while to become proficient.

Dear Treasure...I agree I have even tried practicing on myself, well been at it for years, and still find it an interesting exploration.

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 3:14:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

Thanks Outlier
 
Awesome info!


Another bright lady heard from.
dawntreader,  You are more than welcome.

Outlier

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 4:27:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Outlier2

File this under Fools Rush In; especially when the topic
was raised and has been commented on by women I respect.


Thank you, Outlier... it's so good to see you back; I'd wondered where you had gone to. 

The links you provided have great information... and it does seem fitting that the doctor is from down under. 

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

quote:

First, the clitoris is not an equal opportunity organ.

Could we debate this please?


lol... What exactly would you like to debate?

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Dear Treasure...I agree I have even tried practicing on myself, well been at it for years, and still find it an interesting exploration.


Probably one of the few skills where I never tire of practicing. 

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 4:51:41 PM   
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Treasure, you've given some excellent advice, but my experience has been there's a lot of variation in how women like their clit stimulated. I recommend going slowly and seeing what she likes and doesn't like, and then use those techniques to best advantage. Not bragging, but I've gotten many compliments over the years -- and the resulting orgasms proved the women weren't acting!

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)





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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 4:53:34 PM   
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It would have been more interesting if Treasure explained that it can be important trying to please your sub and then continued forward with a 15 to 20,000 word dissertation on giving the perfect blow and rim job.

We live in such a graceless age.

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 4:58:13 PM   
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Hello, OL

Definitely something to think about.

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 5:20:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Thank you, Outlier... it's so good to see you back; I'd wondered where you had gone to. 

The links you provided have great information... and it does seem fitting that the doctor is from down under. 


Hello TreasureKY,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I have been busy with a project.
I hope you and FH have a great Christmas and New Year.

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charmedpetKeira

Hello, OL

Definitely something to think about.

pet

Hello  charmedpetKeira,

I am flattered that you find it worth thinking about.
You know how bright I think you are.
I hope your master finds it worth his consideration as well.

I almost said I hope he finds it worth looking into
but I couldn't type that with a straight face.

Outlier



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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/20/2007 6:49:27 PM   
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I am flattered that you find it worth thinking about.
You know how bright I think you are.

*blushes*

I hope your master finds it worth his consideration as well.

He seems to be the open-minded, experimental type. ;)

I almost said I hope he finds it worth looking into
but I couldn't type that with a straight face.

*smirks while thinking about you, thinking about typing that*
k

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RE: Another Holiday Gift... - 12/21/2007 3:35:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

It would have been more interesting if Treasure explained that it can be important trying to please your sub and then continued forward with a 15 to 20,000 word dissertation on giving the perfect blow and rim job.


There was a reason my original post was so poorly formatted, domi; I was in a hurry as I had a very important job to take care of.   I mean... why try to put into words what you can put into practice? 

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