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marketing research - 12/18/2007 8:39:00 PM

spatejak

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Hi there

I'm reintroducing a product (myself) to market and am conducting a survey of potential customers (female submissives/slaves on CollarMe).

1. I would be interested in knowing what you think of my profile? I think it looks nice, but I'm a guy so what do I know.

2. What kind of message should I send with the profile? I tend to think of it as a cover letter attached to a resume and write something businesslike ("I saw your profile and found it interesting. I would ask you to look at my profile and, if it interests you, please get back to me."), maybe referring to some detail in her profile to show that I've actually read it. This has not been very successful. I'm aware that most approaches will not elicit a reply. I'm also aware women on this group are bombarded with all sorts of mail, much of it from dweebs who have no idea what they're talking about. What would you notice among this detrius?

I thank you for your consideration,

PS: If you actually are interested in my profile, please get back to me

PPS: How do I replace this stupid ice-cream cone with another symbol?

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 8:53:03 PM

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You sound very nice and friendly. i hope that you meet someone. If i was looking i would not choose you for i would be looking for a real relationship and also for someone who viewed this lifestyle as more than just play. When you say that any shape size or whatever is fine with you, that signals to me that it's not me you're interested in, just a chance to play with anyone. That's just me though. Good luck and let us know how it's going.

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 9:02:51 PM

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I wouldn't be interested for a couple of reasons. Chances are, that's because we aren't compatible, but if these are accidental, take it for what it is worth.
You refer to ladies and women. I'm not poly.
You list activities. To me, activities have much less to do with it than the tone established. I don't really care if I'm spanked or flogged or ice-cubed or forced to bathe in lime jello. I care about the tone, the look in his eyes--how much playfullness? How much will he 'suggest' rather than 'dominate.' Will he dance with my fears or be frustrated by them. All that nebulous touchy-feely stuff.
For me, I like knowing more about someone's vanilla passions. But I'm looking for a real relationship--which is not what you want.
Your picture is lousy. Because of the light and your light sunglasses, there is a shadow over your eyes, which means I get no sense of connection with you. Eyes are what I look at first and foremost. Also, you have too low a resolution so it is pixilated. That doesn't bother me, but the expression on your face and your crossed arms indicate, to me, that we wouldn't work. I like pleasing someone. It shouldn't be too easy, but my gut reaction is that you would be hard to please. I wouldn't want someone who was as much of a perfectionist as I am.

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 9:21:09 PM

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You limiting yourself to not really desiring an LTR would be an issue for me. I also am not fond of your choice of words as "treating you as the lowest thing that crawls the earth" as I would hope no one ever really treats one that way.

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 9:39:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: spatejak

Hi there

I'm reintroducing a product (myself) to market and am conducting a survey of potential customers (female submissives/slaves on CollarMe).

Cute.

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1. I would be interested in knowing what you think of my profile? I think it looks nice, but I'm a guy so what do I know.

Okay, just remember that you asked, okay? Are we clear on that? You did ask, okay?

I completely agree with your second sentence. "I think it looks nice, but I'm a guy so what do I know."

Bingo. Not much .. but you've got some potential.. the sense of humor is a huge plus in my book.

First, get a new pic. The body language screams CLOSED, uncooperative, uncommnicative. Not good.

The text of the profile isn't exactly 'bad' but it does sorta jump out as a bit playerish and desperate which, if that's what you're hoping, no harm no foul. It just doesn't sound like you are serious but if serious falls into your lap, that's okay. The play's the thing though.. as the bard says.. and that's what your profile says to me.. the plays the thing and the toy itself is fairly fungible. Not very complimentary to your average fem type human.

"I realize that before I can strip you, whip you, and treat you like the lowest thing that crawls the earth, I have to convince you that I'm a nice guy who cares about you and your needs."

This should probably be removed all together. It sends the wrong message. I might very well want to get treated like the lowest thing that crawls on the Earth, but if you 'are' a nice guy you won't have to convince me.. you just have to be yourself and I'll be able to see it. Having to 'convince' me tells me that it's something you have to work at in order to get to the end result that you're seeking.

Onwards and upwards!

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2. What kind of message should I send with the profile? I tend to think of it as a cover letter attached to a resume and write something businesslike ("I saw your profile and found it interesting. I would ask you to look at my profile and, if it interests you, please get back to me."), maybe referring to some detail in her profile to show that I've actually read it. This has not been very successful. I'm aware that most approaches will not elicit a reply.

The right approach though, will always elicit a reply. ::grins::
The problem is, you are writing for the generic masses because you have absolutely no preferences at all as to the type of woman you are seeking so when someone receives an email from you then goes to your profile they have no clue at all who you are or what you're really looking for in a woman. Fungible, Spatejak. Fungible is bad.

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What would you notice among this detrius?

I would notice .. amazing. Why settle for less when I know amazing is out there? :)

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I thank you for your consideration,

You're very welcome.

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PS: If you actually are interested in my profile, please get back to me

Cute part 2.

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PPS: How do I replace this stupid ice-cream cone with another symbol?

Keep posting. It changes as your post count goes up.

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 9:39:49 PM

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I’d just keep it simple. Something like "Hey, I got a thing, you maybe have a thing, maybe we could have a thing.”

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 9:50:44 PM

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Ideally I would like something long-term

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Although I'm bascially looking for a play partner,

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I would also like someone who I can think of as a friend and whose company I enjoy in vanilla settings.

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I'm not looking for a more serious relationship, but if something develops I probably won't discourage it.

Stefan,

You're profile is well written with sentences, punctuation, and good spelling. However, that last paragraph makes you appear wishy washy...IMO. Perhaps you need to really think about what you are seeking.

Also...and i hate to say this...ideally age shouldn't be a critieria but in fact it is for many. I know quite a few Doms your age and older. They are very experienced Doms with tons of toys. They are fun people. One now has a g/f because he made the choice to date vanilla. Most of the other older, experienced, great Doms i know are partnerless. They tell me that they can write 100 thoughtful well written notes to ladies and most likely will get a reply from one or two. To be frank, i met my Dom when he was 64. If he'd contacted me via online instead of us meeting at an event, most likely i would have given him a thanks but no thanks reply.

Before i get flamed let me say that i realize many Doms in their 50s and 60s do have subs. What i'm saying is for those who don't, finding one is often a difficult and very long process.

I also have a pet theory...and for the record it's MY own theory. At my age...56....there are statisically more women than there are men for the very fact that men seem to die at an earlier age. That should make it easier for a male Dom to find a female sub. However, there are more kinky men than there are kinky women who are in their 50s and older. So.....a submissive woman can actually be picky about what Dom she chooses to play with because she has many from which to choose. This also holds true for Dominant females as they are able to pick from the many many male subs.

I feel your best bet for finding a partner, whether long term or just play or dating or whatever, is to search in your own community. Put out the word among those you know that you are looking.

Anyway....good luck in your search. Wish i could be of more help to you

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 9:53:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: joshua69

I’d just keep it simple. Something like "Hey, I got a thing, you maybe have a thing, maybe we could have a thing.”

ROFL and joshua scores again!

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RE: marketing research - 12/18/2007 10:03:41 PM

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celeste said everything i would say to you, so why am i say this if its been said? becuase you seem like nice person and i want you to have success.

one thing has not been mentioned that stuck in my craw even more the the lowliest person crawling the earth though: the first sentance "Stern master seek ladies in need of discipline " right away i think not very inteligent because of the typos, now as most can attest i am a dreadful speller, a deep thinker but a dreadful speller, and so i dont juge too too much, but a carefully tended to profile exudes it own presence, just like clean fingernails, or a well behaved dog, it sends a message ever so subtle that you care about things.

so yes the picture is bad, but here are some thoughts, take off the glasses and have some one photogragh you up close, where we can see you eyes.

and lastly because you have IMO clevery requested help seellin this product (you) ill tell you what one of my favorite sales gurus says

people dont care how much you know till they know how much you care.

show us a little more of that warmth and humor.

anyway that part celeste and so many others said about not being serious not wanting a real relationship feels womanizing, i would reword that if it is really true.

all in all you seem realy nice...i wish you all the best....and....have you tried craigslist?

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RE: marketing research - 12/19/2007 6:35:32 AM

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First of all you did ask for feedback so here it comes: Get a different picture please. The ones you have make you look like someone for the FBI's most wanted list. You come across as intelligent and I think you could polish your profile up a bit and not make it sound so desparate. You might wish to list your hard limits as that is something many of the folks would want to know up front. Aside from that..moree power to you and good luck Sir!

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RE: marketing research - 12/19/2007 10:42:07 AM

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spatejak,

You did ask...so here's my .02 cents.

Definately change or add pictures, and please take one without glasses...personally I prefer to see someone's eyes. Love the one of your face in the 'painting'.

This line struck me wrong. "before I can strip you, whip you, and treat you like the lowest thing that crawls the earth, I have to convince you that I'm a nice guy who cares about you and your needs."

It makes it sound as if you don't care or don't plan to care about the woman. Personally I don't want to be with someone who has to 'convince' me he cares to gain my trust.

Saya

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