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Aneirin -> Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 10:53:20 AM)

I am here using a nine year old win 98 computer which keeps freezing.This really annoys me, as I have a brand new intel dual core computer with M$ Vista on it, but I cannot get online.The reason for this, is that I have been told M$ no longer supports usb ADSL modems, which is kind of annoying, because that is all I have.I have to get a router or something.

So, I am new to Vista, and have made the jump from win 98 to it, but finding this new problem, I am wondering what other problems will I find apart from not being able to run my photoshop 5.5 program.

Anyone with Vista like to tell me of anything else I should know?




Stephann -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 10:59:54 AM)

Yeah; plunk down 50$ or so, and buy Windows XP Pro.  Then sell your Vista license for 200$ish.

Stephan




popeye1250 -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 11:04:01 AM)

Stephann, you seem to be pretty knowledgable about computers.
What's the advantages of having a "MAC" over a regular pc?
Can I do all the things I can do with my regular pc with a MAC like go into Yahoo, come in here etc?




lauren0221 -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 11:05:30 AM)

The only good thing about Vista I have found so far is I get free online games, because it refuses to connect to the game vendor's secure website. Much of my old hardware is not compatible, and have not come across anything great that compensates for the downsides yet (other than the never-expiring free trials).




sappatoti -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 11:28:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Stephann, you seem to be pretty knowledgable about computers.
What's the advantages of having a "MAC" over a regular pc?
Can I do all the things I can do with my regular pc with a MAC like go into Yahoo, come in here etc?


Popeye, I've been using Macs since they were introduced in 1984. I've also been using Windows PCs up to Windows XP (with the exception of the eternally BSoD ridden Me). I might be able to answer your question for you.

Yes, you can do pretty much the same things on both platforms. There are differences in the user interface, but once you become familiar with the Mac GUI, it'll work pretty much in the same way as you're used to.

You can use Yahoo IM, though the client from Yahoo seems to be in a perpetual beta state. Apple's browser, Safari, works reasonably well here on CM and CC. Firefox is available for Macs, so if you're using that browser, you'lll not notice much, if any difference.

Both Windows and Mac OS machines now run on the Intel processors, and it is possible to load up Windows on a Mac and run it, for those times when there simply is no viable Mac alternative to a program, game, or what have you.

You can get started with a Mac by purchasing a Mac Mini for around $700 US, if you already have a keyboard, mouse, and monitor. It's probably the lowest performance Mac around, but it's performance does probably beat many of the $200 or $300 US Windows machines found in mass market retailers.

They might be worth a look. You can play with one by going to an Apple store in your area. Best Buy might have a few hooked up and ready to demo, though I'm not sure if their floor sales staff is as well versed in answering your questions as an Apple employed sales person.




sub4hire -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 11:33:36 AM)

I guess I'm lucky.  Vista is the only operating system Microsoft has ever come out with that I mesh fairly well with right out of the box.
I've been using windows since 3.1 and always hated the newer versions.

So far, no issues at all with Vista.  Guess I'm lucky this time around.  All of my programs seem to mesh well as well.  I upgraded from XP pro before coming to Vsta.




Stephann -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 12:02:12 PM)

Hiya Popeye,

The Mac vs PC war ranks up there with the "Ford vs Chevy" war.  It boils down to preference, I think.

Personally, I think you can get a lot more out of a PC for a lot less money.  Sappatoti points out that Macs start at 700$  That same dough can get a pretty well equipped laptop with Vista or XP.  PCs can also (often) be upgraded in a way that Macs can't; and that doesnt' even address the usage of a PC as a video game machine (though expect to spend over $1000 on a PC that can run modern video games.)  If games aren't your thing, you can build a basic PC for 250-300 dollars, and transfer your existing windows license to it (ideal for Windows XP users; few people will get any real value out of Windows Vista for at least two more years.)

But there's a few flipsides; most computer virii are written for windows, meaning most Macs are almost never hit with them.  If you're really worried about computer virii, Macs are a great simple way to not worry about it.  But it also means learning a whole new operating system (if you've never used them) and it also means a LOT of your existing software won't work anymore (Office XP, Photoshop, Quickbooks, etc) and not all Macs come with these programs.  But as far as your original questions, the basic chat, email, and web browsing is pretty much the same you'd expect from a PC.

For that reason, I suggest the average user go for a midgrade PC for 350 bucks unless they really want to work with Mac.

Stephan






stef -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 12:05:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I am here using a nine year old win 98 computer which keeps freezing.This really annoys me, as I have a brand new intel dual core computer with M$ Vista on it, but I cannot get online.The reason for this, is that I have been told M$ no longer supports usb ADSL modems, which is kind of annoying, because that is all I have.I have to get a router or something.

Told by whom?  If your modem manufacturer doesn't provide an updated driver for their hardware, it's not a Vista issue, it's a shitty hardware manufacturer issue.  If you google "Vista ADSL USB," you'll see plenty of people who have such modems working under Vista after obtaining updated drivers.

~stef




Termyn8or -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 12:34:01 PM)

I don't think you can get XP Pro for fifty bucks.

I am a 98 Man, but now I have XP Pro Corporate edition. I had no choice because the router and modem companies no longer support 98 and I lost the disk. They walked me through a manual setup a while back but just would not do it again. After a few weeks of running MEPIS Linux off the CD I couln't stand it anymore.

With 98SE I am a guru, with XP I am a babe in the woods.

But I find it interesting that some retailers actually offer a downgrade to XP. Kinda wonder how many people take them up on it.

Just checked eBay, looks like about $150 for a copy of Pro. I see a few for like $130-140 and they have a bunch of bids on them.

Strange though, that Microshaft gave up on the idea of backward compatability. At least they paid attention to that in XP. When I first installed it I looked around for every old ass program I could find to see if it runs. Cybergirl Pinball runs, in DOS or whatever they call it now. Harvard Graphics 1.0 runs fine. I mean a 1.0 runs ? Wow. While I didn't have to use it, I am pleased that XP has this compatability mode, you can tell it to run a program in virtual 98, 95, 3.1 or DOS.

The reason that Microshaft has abandoned reverse compatability is that software and hardware manufacturers have a symbiotic relationship. Software forces you to buy hardware and vice versa. They are in cahootz, but it is not a conspiracy, it is simply some people working together to get as rich as possible.

The only thing I do not like about Pro is that it will not migrate. If your mobo fries you will have to reinstall it. Home edition is even worse, too many hardware changes and you must reregister it. My 98SE has been migrated, and I learned how to do that in control panel, deleting things, then rebooting and then comes the new hardware wizard. You throw a harddrive with XP, even Pro on it into a different machine it just sits there with it's thumb up it's ass.

There are still a few things that do get a rise out of me about XP though. First of all it is surprisingly fast on this old 433 Celeron with a whopping 160MB RAM. I thought sure it would be slower than 98SE was, but it's not. Boot time is impressive, but I think they cheat. I think what XP does is dump the contents of the RAM to the disk and after a quick scan for new hardware, just reloads the RAM on reboot.

And this mobo is going bad, the filters are getting soft. This causes errors. For example I hear a buzzing noise in the speakers when I move the mouse. On this machine when 98SE ran overnight, like for more than about twelve hours it would get errors and lock up. XP handles this alot better, error trapping has been superb. I can run it for at least three days straight and not have problem one. Still have a nice speedy clean shutdown as well.

And realize this, what I do on the web is mostly text based, I have no need for antivirus software of any kind. I only accept email from people I know and I do not have problems (crossing fingers). Also I use AOL for mail, with their software. No opening attachments unless I say so. I pay the ten bucks a month, mainly because I do make use of my FTP there, and casual browsing is not allowed, I have to give you a direct URL to give you the page or picture or whatever. Because of that I can put anything I want in there. I am not shackled by USC2257 nor any copyright issues, this is personal FTP. The only way a search engine can find anything in there is if I post a link to it on a public forum such as this.

So basically I am less unhappy, everything works. They dragged me figuratively in chains, kicking and screaming into this upgrade, but everything works. The bad part is that I have nothing to bitch about at the moment, except for my scanner drivers. It's a Visioneer 6100b and I swear it is the best flatbed scanner I have ever seen. It scans 3D objects superbly, and if you do it just right, can scan an area larger than it's window. Yes you heard me right. But it seems the drivers are not compatible with XP.

Soon I will make a concerted effort to get good drivers, folks, I scanned myself. I mean I tipped the thing up on it's side and scanned myself, and the rendering was very good. I don't want a new scanner, I want this one to work.

Also the soundcard drivers are unsigned and not quite right. Some sounds seem to overload the DA converter on peaks, making a nasty noise. Nothing I can do with the sound levels cures this, the problem is apparently at the front end. I tried repacing the soundcard with a good Yamaha one, and it totally crashed the system. It recovered but it may be a bad card, which would explain why I couldn't get it to run in 98SE. I had another Yamaha card which I used for a year or two, and it simply went bad, but it was way superior to what I have now. The signal to noise, the low distortion, it had some serious dynamic range. Remember I used to feed the PC audio through a 400 watt stereo. (I have no CDs, everything plays off the harddrive)

A strange thing, XP seems to disable the soundcard when it is not being used. In 98SE there was this hiss all the time, I had to turn the gain down or it got annoying, with XP, when the song or video is over it shuts up completely.

The long and short of it is that they had to really twist my arm to install XP. If 98 would do what I want I would be running it now. If 95 did what I want I would be running it now. Hell I was happy with 3.1.

They are going to have to torture me ½ to death to get me to load Vista on anything I own. I don't need a nanny. Well maybe accasionally for some wierd play, I would be up for that as long as I was "protected" with alot of restraints, but this is real life, I don't want it for real. That is what I am hearing, that Vista simply protects you too much.

That and the holes in the reverse compatability make Vista a loser IMO.

T




Stephann -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 12:59:45 PM)

A quick look on Craigslist in my area came up with two PCs with windows XP on it on sale for 50$.

Ebay has the operating system for sale for $75.

75ish

70ish

Stephan




Raechard -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 2:15:12 PM)

I like the fact the search function in Vista is so powerful, it predicts what you are searching for by only entering a few letters similar to predictive text on phones. I don’t remember that being part of XP.
 
I like the fact I can have a number of clocks on my desktop set to different times around the world, this is a small gimmick I suppose but also not part of XP.
 
I like the fact I can filter a set of files in explorer in a way similar to the autofilter function in Excel.
 
I like the fact Windows update doesn’t involve visiting a website and downloading an ActiveX Control as it does for XP.
 
I like the fact all the processes listed in task manager now have a description of what they are for so I can more easily spot something that shouldn’t be there.
 
People moan about every new version of Windows but I quite like Vista although it is taking some getting used to in certain areas.




Stephann -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 4:07:31 PM)

Oh sure, there's good and bad in vista; my main machine has Vista Ultimate. I only use it because as a techno geek, I need to stay abreast of current technology.

There are small perks to Vista; but for the average user who spends most of their time online, chatting, using messenger, email, photos, and running a basic office program, I recommend Windows XP.  There's simply more compatibility with current hardware and software, and not enough compatibility with Vista.  This doesn't even address the UAP nightmare and the myriad of cryptic versions of Vista.  To boot, recent tests have shown that those who want to eek out a few more frames per second on games (a clear measure of the operating system's efficiancy) show XP is still, slightly, superior.

Stephan




Master96 -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 4:44:23 PM)

After I bought the iMac G5, I'm a big fan of Apple's computers :) I would never return to Windows. For anything related to computers.

I bought a MacBook. I'm very happy with my Macs!

I'm planing to sell these two and buy a MacBook Pro with Apple Cinema Display :)

Well, I'm a graphical designer [;)]




Stephann -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 4:49:43 PM)

M 96,

The only reason I would advise someone to buy a Mac purely for performance reasons would be if they're in either Graphic Design or some other digital arts.

Stephan




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 5:13:00 PM)

The auto fill completetion is part of XP but most people answer NO to that when they first see it.

Vista is more secure, but on a LAN with XP stations it is slower because of that security. Also, small business owners may have to spend alot of extra money because some hardware companies have decided to not write drivers for older hardware, to run on Vista. There are also older programs that do not run, or do not run well under Vista, even in compatability mode.

You can get cheap copies of XP professional, try your local independent computer store, not a chain.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Raechard

I like the fact the search function in Vista is so powerful, it predicts what you are searching for by only entering a few letters similar to predictive text on phones. I don’t remember that being part of XP.
 
I like the fact I can have a number of clocks on my desktop set to different times around the world, this is a small gimmick I suppose but also not part of XP.
 
I like the fact I can filter a set of files in explorer in a way similar to the autofilter function in Excel.
 
I like the fact Windows update doesn’t involve visiting a website and downloading an ActiveX Control as it does for XP.
 
I like the fact all the processes listed in task manager now have a description of what they are for so I can more easily spot something that shouldn’t be there.
 
People moan about every new version of Windows but I quite like Vista although it is taking some getting used to in certain areas.




popeye1250 -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 5:15:29 PM)

Well thanks guys!
I guess that for someone like me it wouldn't really pay to go with a Mac.
I'm not really too worried about virises, I have two different programs running for them and a kickass firewall that the Geeks set up on it for me.
I do pretty much simple things on my computer, Yahoo messaging, e-mail, pictures, etc. Nothing to do with business or games.




Aneirin -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 5:55:24 PM)

Well, I have Vista now, and I have to get used to it.It is a whole lot different from Win 98 se that is for sure.Mind maybe it is better that I have not experienced XP, as I cannot compare Vista to XP.

So, what software to use.My old photoshop does'nt work, but is ok, I am going to try paint.net and use it with picasa and I have found various recommended vista friendly software sites;

http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/

I suppose it is good to change now and again and learn something new, I might be pleasantly surprised.

Oh, the internet connection problem was due to my modem not having drivers for vista.I followed .dark.'s advice and searched for a driver, but apparently not for my modem although there are ADSL modems that do have suitable drivers.

My internet provider is sending me a single outlet router to solve my problems-hopefully.

Before I bought this dual core pc, I was investigating apple macs, and did think to get one but chickened out and went with something more familiar so I thought. Mind it would not have made any difference with learning mac and vista.What pushed the argument away from mac, was the apple shop in the city which I live.The sales assistants were not very clued up on their products and seemed more au fait with ipods and other fashionable products they sold.

Maybe I am wrong, but I do see apple being more about fashion than practicality.I see a computer as a tool, nothing more and tools are rarely fashion items.




farglebargle -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 6:25:46 PM)

It's 7 months old, ( but then again, isn't Vista? ) so the features shown for Ubuntu are woefully dated ( but then again, isn't Vista? ), and are a bit more mature today.

I've noticed the "Solitare deals slowly" problem shown in the video on Vista Business myself. Why the hell would the rate of dealing a hand of solitare drop so badly as to render like shit? Oh well, it's MSFT. You eat what they give you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8329254534031328452&q=aero+compiz&total=47&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Oh, and USB networking is a waste of time. EVERYTHING needs an ethernet jack, and then you can drop a Gateway Router between the House LAN and the DSL modem and know that your internal LAN is as secure as it's going to get. And then you don't need to run Norton Firewall, or McAffee Firewll, or any other software based firewall on the Windows boxes, although the built-in firewall could be left enabled without concern.





Griswold -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 6:32:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I am here using a nine year old win 98 computer which keeps freezing.This really annoys me, as I have a brand new intel dual core computer with M$ Vista on it, but I cannot get online.The reason for this, is that I have been told M$ no longer supports usb ADSL modems, which is kind of annoying, because that is all I have.I have to get a router or something.

So, I am new to Vista, and have made the jump from win 98 to it, but finding this new problem, I am wondering what other problems will I find apart from not being able to run my photoshop 5.5 program.

Anyone with Vista like to tell me of anything else I should know?


I have 17 computers at the office....6 of which are Vista, all work fine...all connect to each other well.

(However....I'm just about to get broadband at my house after 4 years {my house is in the sticks}, I'm just about to order a huge gargantuan whiz bang CPU for my own little personal perversions, and I'm told Vista has problems as a standalone unit).

I did order a 29 inch monitor though for my office (it seemed logical at the time)...and for those of you about to order a larger monitor....allow me to recommend that you physically go look at one that size (whatever that size is) prior to ordering one.

Either that or....cancel the standing order you have for a tanning booth....




Crush -> RE: Vista, what other wonders have I yet to find? (12/19/2007 6:47:25 PM)

Live the Penguin!   Linux for all!!!

Actually, every flavor of system has its good and bad points.   Windows Vista, on a "fat" enough system (lots of RAM, processor speed, speedy disk) is OK if you are moving forward.  Windows XP is OK if you are just an "average" user on a PC...no real reason to go to Vista....yet.  And if you've bought a lot of neat software, then more reason to stay with XP....it probably won't work really well on Vista in a lot of ways.

And Macs, nice machines, once you get used to the changed desktop manager.  Of course, it does run a modified version of Unix (heh-heh), so.....  And if you are into putting up media (podcasts, video, etc.) then the Mac beats any stock Windows hands down.  But for cruising the web and other "normal" stuff, either is OK.

They all suck...they all shine.  And yep, it is "Chevy vs Ford vs Subaru" anymore.  I have 'em all and use them for different things, all the time!






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