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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 2:49:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		The shipping forecast is that in the morning crate ships will approach from the mid Atlantic and tapper off for a brighter weekend. There will be a splattering of tugboats on Christmas eve followed by more quiet spells for the rest of the week.

That was your shipping forecast sponsored by Accurist.

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 2:57:37 PM   
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Oh my, how I remember that damned shipping forecast coming on the radio every night when I went to bed. The sad part is, I actually listened to it! Perhaps it reminded me of Maine from where I had moved to the UK. OR possibly I was just a burk back then.


That's the one.....something about some ships sailing around in the rain somewhere....it's valued entertainment over here: you have rock and roll; we have the shipping forecast :-)

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:08:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The shipping forecast is about when high and low tides will occur and does not involve monitoring ships.

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thou shalt not take the piss out of the shipping forecast.

It is a vital broadcast - not only for shipping (obviously) but also for those of a nervous disposition and those recovering from surgery and those suffering insomnia. Its regular, rhythmic delivery and the poetic names of the sea areas is very soporific for the latter cases.

Though if one is of a nervous disposition, and working on a trawler and one hears "storm force 8, later" the effects may not be especially helpful.

E

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:28:36 PM   
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The shipping forecast is about when high and low tides will occur and does not involve monitoring ships.



All o' this time I've been listening to the wrong station; is the other one better? would you recommend it?

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:31:37 PM   
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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:33:47 PM   
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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:35:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well you must put aside your fears as they will only hold you back. Remember that more people die in Christmas DIY accidents than listening to the shipping forecast with a bad heart.

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:49:26 PM   
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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 3:52:10 PM   
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Sure, I recommend people try most things once but nothing twice.


Nah - try most things once to see if you like it.(.ornot.)
Twice to make sure.
 
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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/20/2007 4:15:58 PM   
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Seems to me there should be a Ron forum.

My talent so often goes wasted on posts that the Moderators are going to remove anyway.

Ron



I have no knowledge of what you speak of?.....Would you care to elaborate?

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 1:58:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual those who speak about the shipping forecast have got it all wrong. Its basically to tell those who are tucked up in bed how far they would be able to see if they were on a ship.
It must be because those on a ship know how far they can see.
If they are paying attention that is.

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NG says that Thatcher said this. What he doesnt know is that I wrote the script.


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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 9:38:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Thou shalt not take the piss out of the shipping forecast.

It is a vital broadcast - not only for shipping (obviously) but also for those of a nervous disposition and those recovering from surgery and those suffering insomnia. Its regular, rhythmic delivery and the poetic names of the sea areas is very soporific for the latter cases.

Though if one is of a nervous disposition, and working on a trawler and one hears "storm force 8, later" the effects may not be especially helpful.

E


My uncle came from generations of professional fishermen and was one himself until his death. His very life depended on that forecast back in Maine. Though the one I got in the UK was much more soothing and rhythmic. Thinking back on it, it did help me to get to sleep. The one in Maine is some guy with a deep voice, talking too loud and in monotone.

Best Lady E,

EG

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 12:05:22 PM   
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This is not Casual Banter. Just count all of the threads in this section which are all out posted to antagonise, goad and bait.


This is probably the most antagonistic thread I've seen in a while.

Actually, the OP is laced with irony and what I would hope is sarcasism.  You knock other threads for being antagonistic, but what's more antagonistic than this?  You say people call others names, then you call those people "wankers"!  You say this thread isn't to bitch, but, erm.. how can I break this one lightly?  You're sick of flamming, but you just flammed the forum as a whole, suggesting it should be renamed to something degrading!

If this is all just a joke, okay.  But if you mean it, please, I'd encourage you to step away from the computer for a while and deal with whatever's bugging you.. getting so upset about random news posts on a message board like this just can't be healthy.

And, so you understand.. no hard feelings.  It's all okay.  There's no reason for any of us to be upset over some stupid message board.  If you don't like something, just stop reading it, you know?  It's one of the beauty's of the net!

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 1:25:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Anyway, to prove your point, I'm going to take this opportunity to flame:

I didn't mean all conservatives are stupid; I meant all stupid people are conservatives.
 
John Stuart Mill.

Those interested in a witch hunt involving burning a few conservatives at the stake, mail me.




Some points:

1. What he actually said was:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

2.  JSM was more or less a founding member of classical liberalism in the 19th century. As we've discussed before, todays "conservative" is pretty darn close to the original understanding of "classical liberal", and many of the ideas that use to be attributed to "conservatives" would feel pretty much at home in today's "liberal" political camp (at least in the US).

Therefore, if you translate Mill's above quote from the 1800s into our current political meanings, it might best be rendered as:

"Although it is not true that all liberals are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are liberal."

Calling George Orwell. 

Firm


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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 3:06:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: EvilGenie

This is not Casual Banter. Just count all of the threads in this section which are all out posted to antagonise, goad and bait.


This is probably the most antagonistic thread I've seen in a while.

Actually, the OP is laced with irony and what I would hope is sarcasism.  You knock other threads for being antagonistic, but what's more antagonistic than this?  You say people call others names, then you call those people "wankers"!  You say this thread isn't to bitch, but, erm.. how can I break this one lightly?  You're sick of flamming, but you just flammed the forum as a whole, suggesting it should be renamed to something degrading!

If this is all just a joke, okay.  But if you mean it, please, I'd encourage you to step away from the computer for a while and deal with whatever's bugging you.. getting so upset about random news posts on a message board like this just can't be healthy.

And, so you understand.. no hard feelings.  It's all okay.  There's no reason for any of us to be upset over some stupid message board.  If you don't like something, just stop reading it, you know?  It's one of the beauty's of the net!


CL,

No, I did not do this as a joke though I did do it to prove/underscore/make a point. I do remember saying that there was a method to my madness. Perhaps my psychology and medical background professionally have something to do with it. You're a smart guy, look at this thread beginning to where it stands now and I think that you will see the point.

Take Care!

EG

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 4:41:44 PM   
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JSM was more or less a founding member of classical liberalism in the 19th century. As we've discussed before, todays "conservative" is pretty darn close to the original understanding of "classical liberal", and many of the ideas that use to be attributed to "conservatives" would feel pretty much at home in today's "liberal" political camp (at least in the US).



As we've discussed, what goes on inside the four walls of your country is of little consequence to me; redefine British Liberalism as you see fit, Firmhand, but you can take it from me that John Stuart Mill was a progressive Liberal.

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/21/2007 4:54:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find your post very antagonizing.

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/22/2007 4:05:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some points regarding Mill:

1) Mill believed that people should only coerce others in self-defence, thus ruling out idealistic interventions such as the current invasion of Iraq. Fastforward 150 years and Isaiah Berlin (possibly the best known liberal of the past 50 years), was vehement in his view that there is no such thing as the one true answer to society's ills, and, consequently, people should never come to believe they are entitled to coerce others into adopting their value system - Berlin saw danger in forcing ideas on other people, Mill saw this danger, the advocates of the invasion of Iraq do not share their view: today, liberals oppose this invasion, as would Mill were he alive today.

2) Mill was a strong advocate of women's rights, proportional representation and trade unions; in other words, he promoted equal access to opportunity, which remains a liberal cause to this day.

3) A quote from Mill's autobiography:

In short, I was a democrat, but not the least of a Socialist. We were now much less democrats than I had been, because so long as education continues to be so wretchedly imperfect, we dreaded the ignorance and especially the selfishness and brutality of the mass: but our ideal of ultimate improvement went far beyond Democracy, and would class us decidedly under the general designation of Socialists. While we repudiated with the greatest energy that tyranny of society over the individual which most Socialistic systems are supposed to involve, we yet looked forward to a time when society will no longer be divided into the idle and the industrious;
 
In other words, quality education for all will drive widespread happiness and prosperity in society. This remains a liberal concept; conservatives argue there will always be haves and have nots, i.e. a natural order, so it is futile to channel resources into supporting the lot of those in the poorest-socio economic groups in society. Mill would not agree were he alive today; he would look forward to a society no longer divided into the idle and industrious.

I'll accept that liberals and conservatives share certain beliefs, so you will always be able to find a certain amount of common ground, but, in his day, John Stuart Mill was a liberal, and he has far more in common with the modern day British Liberal Democrat Party, compared with the modern day British Conservative Party.

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RE: Perhaps CM Should Rename This Section - 12/22/2007 4:19:25 AM   
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CL,

No, I did not do this as a joke though I did do it to prove/underscore/make a point. I do remember saying that there was a method to my madness. Perhaps my psychology and medical background professionally have something to do with it. You're a smart guy, look at this thread beginning to where it stands now and I think that you will see the point.

Take Care!

EG


I'm not so smart, EG, so, in the interests of educating peasant stock such as myself, 'any chance you can spell out "the point"?

Thanks in advance.

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