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Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 4:58:47 PM   
Dethknite2k


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Status: offline 		Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.
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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:01:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		What exactly are you referring to as "subliminal training"?

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:06:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		And aren't "clear" and "unsure" contradictory terms?

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:09:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.


What you are of the mind of it's really of importance.  What she is of the mind of and what she finds acceptable and how she determines her comfort zone is.  How about you listen instead of trying to make her mind up for her?  Forcing an issue that "she is unsure of"  isn't leadership.  Listening, communicating, hearing and understanding is.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:09:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.


What are you talking about? Subliminal training means some sort of hypnosis. Are you trained and qualified for this type of thing? As for "accelerating" her descent (which is what I hope you meant, not trying to make her "decent"), why would you use a methodology to accelerate a way of being that she herself needs to desire, crave and be cool about?

Can you not let your relationship unfold at a leisurely pace or are you in such a hurry that you are going to try some Vulcan mind meld thing to make it happen fast.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:17:39 PM   
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Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it. 


I'm unsure as well.  How do you distinguish submissive from slave?  Much will depend upon how realistic your definitions are.

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What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?


I think it might preclude the existence of consent.

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I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.


"Bad" is a relative term.  What might not seem so "bad" to you might be "awful" to her.
 
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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:32:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you do stuff she doesn't know about in order to make her do things she would not consent to, then it's unethical as hell. How about earn her trust over time so she will gladly follow you where you lead? Of course that requires that you do have your shit together to be a trustworthy leader.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:46:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my narrow scope I find many submissives have slavish tendencies.

Here I define submissive along the lines of pet, and slave as property.

Many submissives want to be sex slaves, until sex is over.  Many want to be domestic slaves.  Many want to be emotional slaves.

Using my definitions, it is extremely rare to find a 100% 24/7 slave.  I can easily put myseld in your situation.  Let her call herself your slave, if it's the title she wants.  If she wants you to start making decisions for her regardless of her opinion, start where she's most comfortable (probably in the bedroom).

If you don't trust her or yourself to allow such a power exchange, tell her. "Slavegirl, we are not going to engage in that level of power exchange yet.  You will earn the right to forfeit your rights in time."

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:49:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.

hmmm

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:49:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.

I'm not man enough to win her heart, so I'll use the New Age version of rohypnol to conquer her body.


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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:51:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.

I'm not man enough to win her heart, so I'll use the New Age version of rohypnol to conquer her body.



LMAO

I thought it but figured I had done enough bashing for one day; so I bit my tongue.



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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/20/2007 5:51:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.

I'm not man enough to win her heart, so I'll use the New Age version of rohypnol to conquer her body.




OMG that is great!

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/21/2007 4:49:27 AM   
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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/21/2007 6:13:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dethknite2k

Ok, Here is my situation:  I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.  What would you all think of using subliminal training to coax it out of her?  I am of the mind that if she didn't know, and was already leaning that way, accelerating her "decent" would not be a bad thing.  But I would like other opinions.


No, you cannot use subliminal messages to get someone to become your slave. Even if you could that is just creepy.


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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/21/2007 6:47:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dare I suggest doing it the "old-fashioned" way?  Spend time together, try different things, communicate honestly and see what happens without being concerned about definitions.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/21/2007 7:02:23 AM   
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Dare I suggest doing it the "old-fashioned" way?  Spend time together, try different things, communicate honestly and see what happens without being concerned about definitions.


Yeah but that requires a certain level of maturity and relationship skills. Unfortunately too many here are here because they don't possess such things.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/21/2007 9:56:51 AM   
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I have a sub who has made it clear she wants to be a slave to me but is unsure about it.


There tends to be too much overreaction about subtle hypnosis and subliminal suggestion. In neither case can this be used to get her to do anything she does not want to do in the first place.

In your case, the question is irrelevent. She has made it clear, but is unsure????? That does not sound "sure" at all. You need a lot more communication with her, about what she is looking for, and what you are looking for. I'd focus there.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/21/2007 1:24:07 PM   
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Can you not let your relationship unfold at a leisurely pace or are you in such a hurry that you are going to try some Vulcan mind meld thing to make it happen fast.


OMG, you are too funny.  Maybe she'll live long and prosper ...

OP - communication and trust are the only things that are going to allow this submissive to feel confident in her choice of you as her Dominant.  No mind games or manipulations are going to bind her to you the way you wish.  I do question your wording - she's clear yet unsure?  It sounds like a lot more talking needs to be done. 

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/22/2007 7:19:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I greatly appreciate all of the input from you all.  I figured it was a bad idea.  That must be why I didn't go ahead and do it.  Though I am surprised that not one person who read my original post was in favor of the idea.  I guess not as many sleazy types read this as there are trolling around the site in general.  Again thank Y/you all for your input.

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RE: Subliminal ethics. - 12/22/2007 8:14:20 AM   
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I greatly appreciate all of the input from you all.  I figured it was a bad idea.  That must be why I didn't go ahead and do it.  Though I am surprised that not one person who read my original post was in favor of the idea.  I guess not as many sleazy types read this as there are trolling around the site in general.  Again thank Y/you all for your input.

There are a great many...sleazy...types who DO indulge in hypnosis. However, those who do, do it for the right reasons...NOT BECAUSE THEIR GIRL IS UNDECIDED ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS OR NEEDS.

Your attitude is pretty much what I expected from someone who would ask such a question in the first place.

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