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Level -> Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 10:41:41 AM)

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Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul on Sunday defended his efforts in Congress to bring home money to his Texas district, despite his long-held aversion to big government and congressional votes to reign in federal spending.

"I've never voted for an earmark in my life," the Texas congressman said under questioning on NBC's "Meet the Press" about reports that he has requested hundreds of millions of dollars for special projects in his home district.

"I put them in because I represent people who are asking for some of their money back," said Paul, who likened it to taking a tax credit. "I'm against the tax system, but I take all my tax credits. I want to get their money back for the people."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071223/ap_po/ron_paul




subfever -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 11:09:25 AM)

Damn it. I intended to watch Meet The Press today, but then forgot all about it. Does anyone know if they repeat the program, or if the text is available somewhere? 




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 11:47:32 AM)

Rationalization and justification, are the first things that occur before corruption. No matter the explanation, he shows that he agrees with earmarks. That is very disappointing.




Level -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 12:22:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Damn it. I intended to watch Meet The Press today, but then forgot all about it. Does anyone know if they repeat the program, or if the text is available somewhere? 


It should replay on MSNBC 6 PM and 2 AM eastern time, today.
 
Here's a link to the transcript and video. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22342301




subfever -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 12:32:11 PM)

Paul does represent his constituents, and their tax money is being sent elsewhere... because of the existing system.

I don't believe in the current tax system, and being given a position of power, I would work to abolish the current system. But I do take every tax credit available under the current system... and I'll continue to do so until the system is changed.

It's the system that's flawed and immoral, not Paul. Paul is still the most likely candidate to get this fact out there to the greatest number of people and possibly effect changes that really matter.

What would you have Paul do, ignore his constituents? This is the problem under the current system. Everyone wants their slice of the pie... if not more. It turns us into greedy parasites, moving us away from moral logic and towards convoluted, murky thinking. 




subfever -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 12:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Damn it. I intended to watch Meet The Press today, but then forgot all about it. Does anyone know if they repeat the program, or if the text is available somewhere? 


It should replay on MSNBC 6 PM and 2 AM eastern time, today.
 
Here's a link to the transcript and video. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22342301


Many thanks, Level!




Level -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 12:42:41 PM)

You're welcome [:D]




DomKen -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 12:44:06 PM)

Quite a scam Paul has going in south Texas. He gets to claim to be opposed to all this stuff while he games the system to bring more money into his district than it pays in taxes. He's for term limits except for himself. He thinks government should stay out of education funding, environmental protection and infrastructure improvements (at least for any area that can't vote for him) but he does think government should legislate women's health decision making and determine who should be able to enter into civil marriages.

I think very very little of the rest of the GOP field but the more I learn about Paul the less I think of him. I would still rather have him over Huckabee, Tancredo or Romney but that isn't saying much.




popeye1250 -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 2:30:26 PM)

That's chicken feed compared to Senators Kennedy and Kerry and that "Big Dig" fiasco in Boston!
Fifteen Billion and counting!
And the "usual people" and companies made the money off of it!
I could have started an "Affirmative Action" company- "Disabled Veterans Trucking" or something like that to get "set aside" contracts but my lawyer told me don't bother it's all a "bag job" and, "if you don't *know someone* (like a politician) you're wasting your time."
GOD, am I glad I moved out of that state!




cyberdude611 -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 2:59:31 PM)

Paul reminds me a lot of Howard Dean. Makes a ton of money, looks like he has a lot of support, big internet campaign, but fizzles out when it comes to actually vote.




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 3:36:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Rationalization and justification, are the first things that occur before corruption. No matter the explanation, he shows that he agrees with earmarks. That is very disappointing.


So, let me get this straight, the government comes and backed by force of arms forces them to fork over money. Now, the only way to get back an equal amount that the government took, is via earmarks(because the everyone else will add an earmark). And that is corruption? If one didn't put an earmark with every other persons earmark, you'd lose even more to the government.

He is very clear on this, he would prefer to have much less taxes sent to the Federal government to begin with, then all this begging for your money back business wouldn't be necessary.


I'm 100% in agreement with his position, and there is zero conflict in it. So, essentially, he attaches a earmark for his district, along with the bazillion others tacked on by the rest of the representatives, then he votes against the bill entirely. So, essentially, his district either gets its share of their money back if it passes, and if it doesn't pass, all the better. If he didn't do that his district would get way less of their taxes dollars back in proportion to the rest of the country.














OrionTheWolf -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 5:03:05 PM)

It is still justification and rationalization to go against a principle he had for a long time. Earmarks are wrong, no matter the reasons. the more they are justified, the less chance someone will ever do anything about them. It is a slippery slope, each time the justification and rationalization will become all the easier, until you are a large part of the flawed system.

Do you know how to beat a crooked game? Don't play it.


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ORIGINAL: subfever

Paul does represent his constituents, and their tax money is being sent elsewhere... because of the existing system.

I don't believe in the current tax system, and being given a position of power, I would work to abolish the current system. But I do take every tax credit available under the current system... and I'll continue to do so until the system is changed.

It's the system that's flawed and immoral, not Paul. Paul is still the most likely candidate to get this fact out there to the greatest number of people and possibly effect changes that really matter.

What would you have Paul do, ignore his constituents? This is the problem under the current system. Everyone wants their slice of the pie... if not more. It turns us into greedy parasites, moving us away from moral logic and towards convoluted, murky thinking. 




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/23/2007 5:06:41 PM)

The same justification and rationalization could be used to not pay taxes, but there is a law against that. Paul is not breaking the law, but he did compromise one of his principles, one that many people admired. If he continues to do that, he will look like a "business as usual" politician. Do you not understand that a man of uncompromising principles is rare in politics, and that has been some of the attraction. His principles are mostly grounded in constitutionalism, but compromising those, makes him less than he once was.

Just because others do it, does not make it right. Just because the Fed is taking more than it gives, does not make it right. Also, I said closer to corruption, not that it was corruption.


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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Rationalization and justification, are the first things that occur before corruption. No matter the explanation, he shows that he agrees with earmarks. That is very disappointing.


So, let me get this straight, the government comes and backed by force of arms forces them to fork over money. Now, the only way to get back an equal amount that the government took, is via earmarks(because the everyone else will add an earmark). And that is corruption? If one didn't put an earmark with every other persons earmark, you'd lose even more to the government.

He is very clear on this, he would prefer to have much less taxes sent to the Federal government to begin with, then all this begging for your money back business wouldn't be necessary.


I'm 100% in agreement with his position, and there is zero conflict in it. So, essentially, he attaches a earmark for his district, along with the bazillion others tacked on by the rest of the representatives, then he votes against the bill entirely. So, essentially, his district either gets its share of their money back if it passes, and if it doesn't pass, all the better. If he didn't do that his district would get way less of their taxes dollars back in proportion to the rest of the country.















Termyn8or -> RE: Ron Paul defends funds requests (12/24/2007 12:37:41 PM)

Oh boy.

I have read the pertinent part of that transcript. What I am going to say may shock some, but, glad to make your day.

After reading that I would say that Dr. Paul is not all that intelligent. I'd rate his IQ at somewhere around 135. Is this smart enough to run a country ? Well look at what we got now.

Maybe he's only a 125, but IQ isn't the end all tell all of intelligence. IMO Ron paul should shut up. Maybe. It seems that his words do inspire some to support him, and indeed for good reason, but for one such as me every time he talks I hear something I don't like.

His IQ might be up there, after all he is an MD, but I don't think he is really all that smart. And I don't think he has the capacity to remove his personal beliefs from his public service.

He really should shut the fuck up, I really do support him in the absence of a better candidate, but he is not perfect. Understand this, I support Paul because he is the best Man for the job who might have a snowball's chance in hell of getting it. I never said he was so good, yes he is good, but what I am saying is that the others are so bad that I have no other choice.

Dr. Paul shot himself in the foot with a bill he should've known would never pass, one that would make a pregnant Woman legally responsible for the health of the fetus. From what I read it could be interpreted so that if a pregnant Woman had a glass of wine and fell down a flight of steps causing a miscarriage, she could be charged with manslaughter.

Folks, this is indeed a sad state of affairs, now we have the lesser of many evils with a bare, minor, almost non-existent chance of wnning, and IMO he is the best choice.

For example I bet he don't like fags. I would bet money on it, all my money. And I'll tell you what, homosexuality exists, some people are like that, and while I am not, if elected they would still be my constituents. They have rights. I am personally against it, for personal as well as logical reasons, my personal preferences aside I'll say this. If everyone was homosexual there would be no more people.

That is the only tangible negative thing I can come up with. There are three hundred million fucking people in this country. If half of them don't fuck members of the opposite sex, in today's upside down world, it is not wrong. In fact I believe it is a response to global conditions. I mean think about it, there are too many people, and now guys like guys and girls like girls. I think the human race in toto is practicing a bit of restraint. (no pun intended, not that there was one but some here might see one)

You'll be very lucky to get Ron Paul. While I say he is not all that smart, at least he has a heart, and I believe him to be an honest Man. But if you were to elect me instead, things might grind to a mighty halt for a short time. Things would be tough, but I prefer to take my growing pains all at once, and would lead the nation that way.

What I would do would freak you out, but it would turn out good in the end, and there would be a better country for your children. You don't want me, you just don't know what I would do. But Ron Paul is not as radical, and understand this, even if you elect Paul, who I say is not all that smart, perhaps 135, there will still be some hardship.

Mr. Paul is OK, and he is old. He knows hardship, though he didn't live through the depression in any meaningful way, by that I mean he was little, but he still knows how to do without. Everyone of that age does. They grew up before credit cards even existed.

Even though not the breadwinner of the family, people used to get by without. It teaches. And be aware that a vote for Ron Pauol is vote to do without. We will all have to, and the thing is, if someone who has some idea of fiscal responsibility gets in, we will have to do without.

But as a leader I would think it would be better to do without alot less now than alot more later. We are mortgaging our children's future, as our ancestors did unto us. It is time for this to stop. It is wrong, it was wrong when it started and is wronger now than it ever has been. We are being killed.

They take all our money, they fucked up the schools. They took all the jobs out of the country. Now we have dormant factories across the land, and we do not have the people equipped to upgrade and run them anyway, so our downslide in the economic sense is pretty much unrecoverable. Some leaders we've had.

You need to know just how bad it is, we are dead meat now. If Paul gets elected the interest on the national debt wil increase, China is likely to dump dollars at that point. We will become an isolationist nation whether it was planned or not because our money won't be good anywhere else. This is where the this "leadership" has gotten us for the last fifty years.

American money almost used to be the gold standard worldwide. And when I say it is going to be no good, I am VERY sure of what I say. The difference is that a fiscally responsible administration could make the hit alot less hard. Like in a poker game, fold now before you put your last (borrowed) hundred bucks in the pot.

You might think I am kidding, or you might think I am full of shit. You might sit there and ay "HAHA you can't scare me, I make a half a million a year", well I got some news for you. That ain't shit. And just what does that income depend on ?

As far as Ron Paul goes, as a rep, he is expected to bring those tax dollars back. In this insidiously nasty system, the feds take the most, and then give some back sometimes. Years ago I read that California actually got back more than their People paid in, well ain't that just fine and dandy ?

Why the fuck do my tax dollars go to help some rock star in Hollywood ? You see it is a game, they take alot, and give alot. But they take from everyone and pick and choose who to give our money to, and usually attach strings.

The whole fucking thing needs to be scrapped. Remember 55 ? Your age might come into play here, I have to be cognizant of mine (47). The federal government decided that the national speed limit should be 55, and if the states did not enact a statewide 55MPH speed limit they would be denied federal highway funds. Who do they think they are ?

And if you remember, the state of Nevada told them to stick it up their ass.

They did away with 55, so I ask this, if it were so important then, why is it not now ? If a compelling reason existed then to invade all our lives, make driving across Texas a carreer, slow us all down for our own good, if it was that good of an idea then, why is it not now ? What has changed ?

It is things like this that make me support Ron Paul, in spite of our differences. States rights, and people's rights, he has a notion that they exist. Other candidates give lip service to this notion, but in reality all they want is to be a dictator.

Would you like your grain of salt ground or pounded ? (yeah, go ahead and tell me to pound salt, and believe me I actually have pounded salt)

Enough. Be well.

T




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