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OsideGirl -> The word "Master" (8/20/2005 9:33:11 AM)
I have issues with the way the word "Master" is used. This is just my opinion folks; it in no way makes it a rule or a law. Just a view. I just had a discussion through IMs that started like this: "Hi! 25 yo Master, new to the scene, looking for a female sub or slave." Since he was obviously a novice and didn't currently have a slave or submissive, I asked him what made him a "Master"? (By which he was rather offended) Webster's defines a Master as: 1) A man who rules over others a) head of household b) an employer c) one who owns a slave or animal 2) A person very skilled or able in some work, profession or science. (This is the abbreviated version) In my thoughts a Master is someone that has achieved a high level of learning in a special area. For example: a Master Electrician or a Master?s Degree in Business Administration. In this context it means that you cannot declare yourself a "Master", someone else has to give that title to you. In some of the societies in the BDSM D/s realm this would mean that you would earn your ?leathers?. A status bestowed upon you by other Masters. In the very least, I believe that you are not a "Master" until someone else calls you one. Following that line of thought my Master mentored for two years under another Dominant learning techniques and safety. He is at the very least proficient in every area of play that he engages in and in some cases considered to be an expert on the subject, giving lectures to local groups. He has studied the protocol and the positions that are part of some societies. He has made an effort to become a "Master". So, the next line of thought would be that a Master would be one who has an "owned" submissive or slave. Under that context it would mean that unless you currently own a submissive or slave, you are not a Master but a Dominant. So, when someone asks you, "What makes you a Master?" What's your answer?

mnottertail -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 9:54:59 AM)
Well....this could be long and rambling (I will attempt to avoid it). But since dealing with emotions, feelings, fantasies...... THE MIND is the basic stuff of this life.......what these words master slave submissive dominant evil abuser fake.....and the rest of the happy horseshit means is truely infinite in interpretation. There is some certain "jene se quas" (ModOne help me with the spelling, edit this for me, please. aside: I thought I hadpegged, but failed horridly, but the Lady was very nice to me and talked very nicely of you......although I am sure you heard about it already..LOL) What makes me a master? Me. There can be nothing else, I don't need a diploma, I don't need a peer review, I don't need a license, I don't need a submissive, I don't your approval, I just need me. That's my mind. Now, the greatest of all deals in this mess, is if I find a slave.submissive.top.mistress.bottom.friend.lover.partner....... mine,mine,mine. Then I am fulfilled. If two or three or any number can be as one........................get thru this thing together............thats a relationship............I look for my opposite. I am content to do that. enough. Ron

Kinkypupper -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 10:02:54 AM)
Short and simple.. NO I am not a"Master" my name is Phil ,If you wish do address me as something else that is YOUR choice not mine. As any name you call me by will come from the heard and not as a requirement

bulletproof -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 10:07:06 AM)
my only problem with the word is that I was raised to use it as a title to young boys. master instead of mister, for even baby boys. which gives it a very weird connotation.

pup -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 11:01:36 AM)
A lot of Sir's and Madam's in my circle do not use Mistress or Master intentionally as it feels to them a title that means you have learned it all, and have nothing else to learn. God forbid I should ever Master an art, why would I keep forward on that path?

junecleaver -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 11:17:16 AM)
People call themselves many things. Very rarely does a self-proclaimed whore sell herself on the streets, etc etc. Some dominants aren't into s&m. Why would they train in something that would do nothing for them or their partner? It doesn't mean they are not dominant, it means they are not sadistic. Does this mean they do not deserve to be called Master by their submissive? No. If you are going to be involved in s&m play, then yes I would think to consider yourself a "Master" of it you would need training. quote: So, the next line of thought would be that a Master would be one who has an "owned" submissive or slave. Under that context it would mean that unless you currently own a submissive or slave, you are not a Master but a Dominant. I agree. I cut people some slack though, not everyone gets caught up in semantics like I do. Obviously the person who e-mailed you...well he has little to no idea what he's talking about. wow I really need to learn how to connect the ideas in my paragraphs. they sound like different posts. lol

sub4hire -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 11:32:40 AM)
quote: In my thoughts a Master is someone that has achieved a high level of learning in a special area. For example: a Master Electrician or a Master?s Degree in Business Administration. In this context it means that you cannot declare yourself a "Master", someone else has to give that title to you. In some of the societies in the BDSM D/s realm this would mean that you would earn your ?leathers?. A status bestowed upon you by other Masters. In the very least, I believe that you are not a "Master" until someone else calls you one. To me the word Master in the BDSM context means someone who has masterd me. If we go by your definition I am a master. A couple of times over at that. I don't know if I will ever even have a master. I tend to go by the beat of a different drum. I do not want to just be one of the herd. The herds are calling their dominants master. I'm unique in every facet of my life. I have a dom and I have a special name for him that only I use. Nobody else is allowed to call him that. I feel that is the way it should be. So, what is a master? Someone who found a chat room and identified as a dominant? Have they mastered anything? Doubtful. Yet they are someone who can earn it with the right person.

ElektraUkM -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 12:06:50 PM)
There was a thread on a similar theme to this a litle while ago. What I wrote there was, more or less, that a 'master' to me, is someone who owns (ie. owner), rather than implying that anything has been 'mastered'. So the couple goes: Master (owner), and slave (owned). ~ Elektra

FTopinMichigan -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 12:12:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl So, when someone asks you, "What makes you a Master?" What's your answer? I see the term "Master" (or "Mistress" for that matter) to be a self proclaimed title, and nothing more. Anyone can "call" themselves "Master" or "Mistress." So what "makes" a Master...taking on the title. No different than my name is Karen. K PS I have my graduate degree and received it with honors....makes me a "Master" and graduated CUM LOUD..oops, that Cum laude! [:D]

MstrHellsFury -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 12:37:08 PM)
another topic that's a hot button..but not to hot to touch...how does it go now...is it a rose..or a daisy...or a carnation...let me see now..hey aren't they all flowers....the point...isn't it just a name to identify...do I call myself a master...yes..online...in the real world...I'm called a lot of things...but that's expressed but others toward me...I'm not a label damit...I'm human..and I have the papers to prove it...see the title on the papers...oh no..I am a label...wait..no..with my glasses on that's the name of the hospital...whew... Fury

ScooterTrash -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 1:23:22 PM)
I agree that it is a title that is accepted, not taken. As an example; I had a submissive some time ago who simply was not comfortable with calling me by any other name than Master, Sir didn't work, my name didn't work..only Master...so even though at the time it sounded odd to me, that was fine by me. (picture one of them "time forward" thingys here) Now days, she is no longer my submissive, lives elsewhere and is somewhat of a switch who is engaged to be married to another man (a friend of mine). But still to this day when she sees me, communicates by e-mail/chat or we speak on the phone, I am still referred to as Master by her and probably always will be. I think that sums it up entirely...it is a label or title that is bestowed upon you, not something you can just pick up and pin on.

domtimothy46176 -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 5:02:06 PM)
I am not a Master. I am her master,as she serves me as my slave and I am the master of the manor but I have no aspirations to be acknowledged as a Master within the leather community. I respect the integrity of those who have attained the type of social acclaim though consistently walking a path of honor but it just idoesn't interest me. I am content with the respect and obediance of those who find I am worthy of their service. Timothy

CitizenCane -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 5:13:44 PM)
I agree with most of what you say, but I'd point out that there are people who own slaves but aren't dominant. This suggests that calling them Dominant when they don't own a slave is not very helpful. There's another meaning for 'Master' as well- it can connote self-mastery or deep understanding, and in this general context it's often used to translate various titles from asian languages that might also be rendered as 'Sage', 'Honorable', 'Teacher', and so on, to convey something of the respect that these cultures afford the wise that is largely absent in western society. Still, I'd agree that until someone else calls you 'Master' it doesn't have a lot of meaning. Cane

JohnWarren -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 7:37:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl So, when someone asks you, "What makes you a Master?" What's your answer? I don't call myself a Master, but others have. I'm most comfortable when they are using it in the old Guild sense.

IronBear -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 10:05:08 PM)
Within my Lodge I have the title of dominua grandis (Grand Master), an administrative title not a rank. According to my academic achievements, I have earned the title of Master (M.Sc. ~ Applied Psychology). Lifestyle wise I am a Gorean Master ( I claimed that when I collared my first trik), however in Gorean circles on and off line any slave will address me as Master. However this is custom within our lifestyle. BDSM wise I am a Dominant as I have not yet earned the right to call myself Master and I may well never earn that right. quote: So, when someone asks you, "What makes you a Master?" What's your answer? My answer is: "In the areas in which I claim to be a Master, I have earned that through hard work, application, knowledge, strength of character and ability."

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: The word "Master" (8/20/2005 10:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl So, when someone asks you, "What makes you a Master?" What's your answer? For me it's the complimentary definition to "what's a slave" Someone who is oriented to have ultimate authority in all aspects possible for another person in an intimate personal relationship. And yes, I think there are 25 year olds who HAVE this in them.

pinkpleasures -> RE: The word "Master" (8/21/2005 3:12:18 AM)
quote: DomTimothy, what is the "leather community"? Is it a synoynm for "BDSM"? Thank You Sir, pinkpleasures quote: It would be good to keep my words in context, thank you. When I work, at times its the right situation to call someone Sir or Madam - but it isn't just about politeness, its about manners and respect. In a BDSM context, its isnt' a necessity to call someone Sir or Ma'am and if someone says to you directly - 'Please do not call me Sir, it makes me uncomfortable' - what are you going to do - refuse? - Now THAT is bad manners. It would be good to keep my words in context, thank you. When I work, at times its the right situation to call someone Sir or Madam - but it isn't just about politeness, its about manners and respect. In a BDSM context, its isnt' a necessity to call someone Sir or Ma'am and if someone says to you directly - 'Please do not call me Sir, it makes me uncomfortable' - what are you going to do - refuse? - Now THAT is bad manners. dark-angel This is my understanding regarding the use of the honorific "Master". No, He need not own a slave to become or remain a Master. Whether searching or not, a single Man can be a "Master" if He has chosen to pursue M/s relationships as opposed to other things on offer at the BDSM banquet. A Master seeks a slave; one who wishes to be owned and will not set limits. A "Dominant" is a Man who has chosen a D/s relationship; He will pursue a D/s relationship with a submissive woman and she will have hard and soft limits, which He will stretch but always respect. Men do not lose Their identiities as "Master" or "Dominant" while developing Their experience or searching, but some have difficulty accepting that a submissive woman or slave They have contacted will (in my opinion) wish to address Them by Their first names, not as "Master", "Dominant" or "Sir". As a submissive woman, i can say if a Man persists in refusing to use His first name, i stop contact with Him. Such a Man does not have a concept of M/s or D/s that would be comfortable for me. i have used the honorifics, particularly with my Dom and Master friends, but i yearn to find my One and speak the word with a whole different experience forthcoming. pinkpleasures

lovingmaster45 -> RE: The word "Master" (8/21/2005 4:27:14 AM)
quote: Following that line of thought my Master mentored for two years under another Dominant learning techniques and safety. He is at the very least proficient in every area of play that he engages in and in some cases considered to be an expert on the subject, giving lectures to local groups. He has studied the protocol and the positions that are part of some societies. He has made an effort to become a "Master". So, the next line of thought would be that a Master would be one who has an "owned" submissive or slave. Under that context it would mean that unless you currently own a submissive or slave, you are not a Master but a Dominant. So, when someone asks you, "What makes you a Master?" What's your answer? I agree. Seems we are the minority though. What is even worse for me are all the "lords" and "sirs". Where did they get those titles conferred upon them? BTW...I mentor other dominants and am mentored by them in return. I train submissives. I would never mentor one; though I would be his/her resource for checking out people who wanted to play with them. Others will disagree; but that just makes it interesting.

ElektraUkM -> RE: The word "Master" (8/21/2005 4:45:00 AM)
Did some digging to find out the thread I remembered on this topic not long ago: An Earned Right? There is also this one, which has a similar theme, but dates from a little longer ago: Why do you call him 'Master' ~ Elektra (Master ~ MPhil and PhD to be precise. lol)

pinkpleasures -> RE: The word "Master" (8/21/2005 6:45:04 AM)
quote: Did some digging to find out the thread I remembered on this topic not long ago: An Earned Right? There is also this one, which has a similar theme, but dates from a little longer ago: Why do you call him 'Master' ~ Elektra (Master ~ MPhil and PhD to be precise. lol) Mine are Dr; Master; and (name), B.S. Once in awhile i'll use "Dr" when making resturant reservations, ROFL. Here, with BDSM P/pl, i want to be addressed as a submissive woman. pinkpleasures p.s. i am not the least bit surprised this topic is a re-run. sigh Why won't P/pl use "search" to avoid coming up with an idea twice in a year, quarter, month, day, etc.?

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