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My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 9:58:01 AM   
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Since I did advice for novice female subs, I thought I'd be an equal opportunity lecturer. In no particular order and somewhat long:

1) Get yourself a Male Dom Mentor. This is the person that will teach you etiquette, technique, protocol and safety.

2) Many of the "toys" we use can cause permanent damage. The way to learn is not with a submissive firmly tied up at your feet. The best way to learn how to cane, use a single tail and flogger is frequently by using a pillow, chair or stuffed animal. Preferably with the help of a Mentor. (See thought #1)

3) There is a difference between domineering and Dominant. Webster's Dictionary says: Dominant - ruling or prevailing, Domineering - harsh, arrogant, tyrannizing, overbearing. Dominants shouldn't feel the need to be bullies. Take time to consciously understand how you come across to potential submissives.

4) Every submissive does not have to obey you or call you "Sir" just because you are a Dominant and they are a submissive.

5) Do not approach, talk to, or touch a submissive that is owned or collared by another Dominant unless you have permission from that Dominant. This is akin to someone else touching and sitting in your car.

6) Read everything you can on this lifestyle. There are some great books: "The Loving Dominant" "Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns" "Different Loving". The websites Castlerealm and Steeldoor are good resources as well.

7) Experienced submissives are good sources of information and will frequently help you pick your way through the mine field of being a novice Dominant. The internet has produced a "you're not real until you prove you are" attitude among the more experienced members of the community. So, if an experienced submissive tells you that what you're doing will alienate you from the community do not write off her advice merely because she is a submissive.

8) Uber Doms get made fun of by other Dominants and by submissives alike. If you walk around dressed entirely in black leather, look down your nose at other Dominant's techniques or submissives, demand courtesies and in general act like you are the end all and be all of Dominants, you will be treated like you're a horse's ass. This is called "Taking yourself too seriously".

9) Do not touch another Dominant's toys without permission. (See thought #5)

10) Just because we're kinky does not mean that we lack morals. So, if you think this is about easy sex and getting what you want, move on.

11) Respect limits. It's primary to trust, which is the basis of this lifestyle. It takes almost no time at all for the news to spread throughout the community of a Dom that knowingly and willingly violated a limit. You should also compile your own list of hard and soft limits. Believe me this will matter to you at some point.

12) Use safe words until you have some experience under your belt and you know your submissive or play partner extremely well. I recommend the Yellow = Slow down, let me breathe and figure this out and Red = stop right now method.

13) Do Not HARM. This means don't do physical damage with toys. Bruising is not harm, bleeding is not harm. Broken legs and stitches are harm. Don't do things that would psychologically harm your submissive.

14) Safety, safety, safety. Dead submissives do not serve. This means that you should have gone through everything in detail to see where the danger is and have means to counter act this danger. Safety scissors to cut rope and bonds, wet towels for fire play, ice for times when the swing goes a little wild.

15) Before you play with, contract or collar a submissive, negotiate. This is the time to lay out the expectations of the relationship, cover important details and go over hard and soft limits. This is the basis of your entire relationship. Print it out and sign it. It is best to know these things before you get into a committed relationship with someone. Example: A female sub told everyone that she knows that she wanted to have a baby since she was approaching 40. This included her Dominant, who did not want to have a baby. For some reason he was surprised when she came up pregnant and she was surprised when he bolted. This was something that should have been discussed before he collared her.

16) Beware the "Cinderella Submissive". This is the woman that can't possibly make a decision, can't run her life and is waiting for you to save her. She will not have a job, want to stay home 24/7, have been through a large number Dominants when compared to her number of years in the lifestyle, moved very quickly from relationship to relationship, frequently brags about how she is the Uber submissive or slave, and will eventually become an emotional black hole in your life. For obvious reasons, the BDSM D/s lifestyle works to her advantage.

17) The best place to meet people is at your local munches, socials and fetish events. I highly recommend getting involved and volunteering. Being constantly in the view of female submissives can't be all bad.

18) Saying "please" and "thank you" does not make you any less Dominant. In fact, in my eyes, it makes you a better Dominant, and a gentleman to boot. Example: My master opens doors for me. He does this for two reasons; A) it takes away some of my independence and B) he likes acting like a gentleman.

19) We're in this lifestyle because it makes us happy. If you take it too seriously, you will take all the fun out of it.

These are merely my opinions, your mileage may vary. I'm sure others will have things to add.


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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 10:29:22 AM   
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Hi Bobbi,

I appreciated the advice you gave to submissives and agree with a lot of what you have detailed here. However, I think some of your items might be approaching the "rules for D/s" that supposedly do not exist.

In any case, you provide a lot of good suggestions to spark some thought.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 10:38:49 AM   
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The rule book does not exist. Some people will look at the list and think all of it is good, some will think some of it is good, and some will think I have two brain cells and when they hit together, I type. It's all good.

I really chalk most of these thoughts up to common courtesy and common sense. Again, these are just my thoughts accumulated over the years, not a list of rules. People can and will choose their own path.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 11:13:21 AM   
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Good thoughts..just a few things I wish to add:

quote:

1) Get yourself a Male Dom Mentor. This is the person that will teach you etiquette, technique, protocol and safety.


Why a male dominant? Can a dominant person not take knowledgable advise and instruction from a female or a slave?

quote:

5) Do not approach, talk to, or touch a submissive that is owned or collared by another Dominant unless you have permission from that Dominant. This is akin to someone else touching and sitting in your car.


This may be the protocol for some but not everyone...I refer to the approach and talk part. A good rule of thumb is if the slave or submissive person in collar is standing behind a dominant person then it is polite to ask permission to speak to this person. Remember, that is a rule of thumb and thumbs are different sizes.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 11:21:14 AM   
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quote:

will eventually become an emotional black hole in your life.


That made me laugh. I know a few 'doms' like that too.

Good job. It seems very helpful.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 11:23:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant

Good thoughts..just a few things I wish to add:

Why a male dominant? Can a dominant person not take knowledgable advise and instruction from a female or a slave?
I advise this simply because most of the submissives that I know don't use single tails, canes etc. on other people.

quote:

5) Do not approach, talk to, or touch a submissive that is owned or collared by another Dominant unless you have permission from that Dominant. This is akin to someone else touching and sitting in your car.


This may be the protocol for some but not everyone...I refer to the approach and talk part. A good rule of thumb is if the slave or submissive person in collar is standing behind a dominant person then it is polite to ask permission to speak to this person. Remember, that is a rule of thumb and thumbs are different sizes.


Actually, I just consider this to be common courtesy. You are correct, if I was not near Master, I would not expect someone to search him out to get permission to speak to me. How ever a stranger touching me beyond a hand shake, I would consider to be rude. Besides, unless you ask the Dominant, you can't be sure that the sub doesn't bite.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 11:43:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Since I did advice for novice female subs, I thought I'd be an equal opportunity lecturer. In no particular order and somewhat long:

1) Get yourself a Male Dom Mentor. This is the person that will teach you etiquette, technique, protocol and safety.

2) Many of the "toys" we use can cause permanent damage. The way to learn is not with a submissive firmly tied up at your feet. The best way to learn how to cane, use a single tail and flogger is frequently by using a pillow, chair or stuffed animal. Preferably with the help of a Mentor. (See thought #1)

3) There is a difference between domineering and Dominant. Webster's Dictionary says: Dominant - ruling or prevailing, Domineering - harsh, arrogant, tyrannizing, overbearing. Dominants shouldn't feel the need to be bullies. Take time to consciously understand how you come across to potential submissives.

4) Every submissive does not have to obey you or call you "Sir" just because you are a Dominant and they are a submissive.

5) Do not approach, talk to, or touch a submissive that is owned or collared by another Dominant unless you have permission from that Dominant. This is akin to someone else touching and sitting in your car.

6) Read everything you can on this lifestyle. There are some great books: "The Loving Dominant" "Screw the Roses, Send me the Thorns" "Different Loving". The websites Castlerealm and Steeldoor are good resources as well.

7) Experienced submissives are good sources of information and will frequently help you pick your way through the mine field of being a novice Dominant. The internet has produced a "you're not real until you prove you are" attitude among the more experienced members of the community. So, if an experienced submissive tells you that what you're doing will alienate you from the community do not write off her advice merely because she is a submissive.

8) Uber Doms get made fun of by other Dominants and by submissives alike. If you walk around dressed entirely in black leather, look down your nose at other Dominant's techniques or submissives, demand courtesies and in general act like you are the end all and be all of Dominants, you will be treated like you're a horse's ass. This is called "Taking yourself too seriously".

9) Do not touch another Dominant's toys without permission. (See thought #5)

10) Just because we're kinky does not mean that we lack morals. So, if you think this is about easy sex and getting what you want, move on.

11) Respect limits. It's primary to trust, which is the basis of this lifestyle. It takes almost no time at all for the news to spread throughout the community of a Dom that knowingly and willingly violated a limit. You should also compile your own list of hard and soft limits. Believe me this will matter to you at some point.

12) Use safe words until you have some experience under your belt and you know your submissive or play partner extremely well. I recommend the Yellow = Slow down, let me breathe and figure this out and Red = stop right now method.

13) Do Not HARM. This means don't do physical damage with toys. Bruising is not harm, bleeding is not harm. Broken legs and stitches are harm. Don't do things that would psychologically harm your submissive.

14) Safety, safety, safety. Dead submissives do not serve. This means that you should have gone through everything in detail to see where the danger is and have means to counter act this danger. Safety scissors to cut rope and bonds, wet towels for fire play, ice for times when the swing goes a little wild.

15) Before you play with, contract or collar a submissive, negotiate. This is the time to lay out the expectations of the relationship, cover important details and go over hard and soft limits. This is the basis of your entire relationship. Print it out and sign it. It is best to know these things before you get into a committed relationship with someone. Example: A female sub told everyone that she knows that she wanted to have a baby since she was approaching 40. This included her Dominant, who did not want to have a baby. For some reason he was surprised when she came up pregnant and she was surprised when he bolted. This was something that should have been discussed before he collared her.

16) Beware the "Cinderella Submissive". This is the woman that can't possibly make a decision, can't run her life and is waiting for you to save her. She will not have a job, want to stay home 24/7, have been through a large number Dominants when compared to her number of years in the lifestyle, moved very quickly from relationship to relationship, frequently brags about how she is the Uber submissive or slave, and will eventually become an emotional black hole in your life. For obvious reasons, the BDSM D/s lifestyle works to her advantage.

17) The best place to meet people is at your local munches, socials and fetish events. I highly recommend getting involved and volunteering. Being constantly in the view of female submissives can't be all bad.

18) Saying "please" and "thank you" does not make you any less Dominant. In fact, in my eyes, it makes you a better Dominant, and a gentleman to boot. Example: My master opens doors for me. He does this for two reasons; A) it takes away some of my independence and B) he likes acting like a gentleman.

19) We're in this lifestyle because it makes us happy. If you take it too seriously, you will take all the fun out of it.

These are merely my opinions, your mileage may vary. I'm sure others will have things to add.



I think that writing lists like this actually cause more harm than good. These are your ideas, as you stated, but I will be happier when people keep these lists to themselves and their own personal choices and feel able to respond to specific questions set and asked by new dominants and submissive/slaves.

For one thing, it is sexist.

Morality is personal.

Castlerealm is more inline with fantasy than your comment on cinderella types.

Number twelve is personal choice.

Number thirteen is extremely dangerous advice.

Number Sixteen is again, personal choice. There are some dominants who are white knights and princes and some cinderella submissives.Its just wrong to judge people like that for their kinks.

If taking BDSM or what they are seriously, makes a person happy - who is anyone to say otherwise?

I dont mean to pick apart your thread, and its nothing personal - I just dislike the whole concept of list suggestions. It can fuel the failacy of 'true and real' and at the same time, make others feel like they are not even close to a 'standard'.

Peace and Love


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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 11:53:30 AM   
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quote:

I think that writing lists like this actually cause more harm than good. These are your ideas, as you stated, but I will be happier when people keep these lists to themselves and their own personal choices and feel able to respond to specific questions set and asked by new dominants and submissive/slaves.


I don't know if it causes more harm although I'll take your word for it Angel.
What I do know is people are lazy. They won't read it. That is the bottom line.
I've been working with newbies now close to ten years.
Even those who say they want to learn everything about the lifestyle want it all handed to them. Many do not want to do any research. You can give them the site and many will be too lazy to check it out. They want you to tell them verbally everything.
I've even seen many newbies with potential dominants saying read this and that. Yet, even though by learning it would be pleasing their future dominant are still too lazy to follow through.
Now of course there are going to be people who are exceptions but that has been my perception over the year's. Some do want to learn while a great many want it handed to them on a silver platter.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 12:03:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I really chalk most of these thoughts up to common courtesy and common sense. Again, these are just my thoughts accumulated over the years, not a list of rules. People can and will choose their own path.


I enjoyed much of what you posted, Bobbi, and there are many good points there.

The only thing about saying that it's "common courtesy and common sense"...well, as we all learn..."commen sense is not so common!"

K

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 12:29:04 PM   
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quote:

5) Do not approach, talk to, or touch a submissive that is owned or collared by another Dominant unless you have permission from that Dominant. This is akin to someone else touching and sitting in your car.


I'd say it is more akin to admiring someone's car, not sitting in it. Frankly, I have no problems being approached by other dominants (it's ever so nice to talk to people), nor do I have problems with my own submissive being approached. If all they are doing is talking or hanging out or being friendly, then I have no issue with that. Now if they wanted to fuck her, or if someone wished to fuck me, she and I would need permission.

As for mentors, I feel they can be of either sex and any orientation. One who is submissive is perfectly capable of wielding a cane or flogger, and more than likely has some skill at it if she/he has used it or has had it used on her/him. I know that I learned most of my information about toys from having them used on me, and then later using it on others. Of course, how everyone learns is different, I suppose.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 12:40:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

Since I did advice for novice female subs, I thought I'd be an equal opportunity lecturer. In no particular order and somewhat long:

These are merely my opinions, your mileage may vary. I'm sure others will have things to add.



-applauds-

Yay! Well spoken, OG. I agree completely with everything you said (and it applies to female Dommes too). Its all pretty common sense, but common courtesy is uncommon these days.

Just because someone lets you spank them in the bedroom doesn't mean you have the right to bark orders at the guy in the grocery store. Also doesn't mean that you instantly have power over anyone who calls themself a sub.

-S-

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 12:53:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel

I think that writing lists like this actually cause more harm than good. These are your ideas, as you stated, but I will be happier when people keep these lists to themselves and their own personal choices and feel able to respond to specific questions set and asked by new dominants and submissive/slaves.

For one thing, it is sexist.

Morality is personal.


'Tis very very true. I think the ideas she mentions also apply well to female dominants as well, though.
But the basic idea here - be safe, be responsible, don't take yourself too seriously - is so common sense that it almost shouldn't need to be said. But not everyone thinks through their actions, so writing it down for other people to see can be helpful.

quote:


Castlerealm is more inline with fantasy than your comment on cinderella types.

Number twelve is personal choice.

Number thirteen is extremely dangerous advice.

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

13) Do Not HARM. This means don't do physical damage with toys. Bruising is not harm, bleeding is not harm. Broken legs and stitches are harm. Don't do things that would psychologically harm your submissive.



... I agree it could be clarified better. Bruises to kidneys and spine are serious damage, don't do edge play without knowing the body and what you are doing.

quote:



Number Sixteen is again, personal choice. There are some dominants who are white knights and princes and some cinderella submissives.Its just wrong to judge people like that for their kinks.

If taking BDSM or what they are seriously, makes a person happy - who is anyone to say otherwise?

I dont mean to pick apart your thread, and its nothing personal - I just dislike the whole concept of list suggestions. It can fuel the failacy of 'true and real' and at the same time, make others feel like they are not even close to a 'standard'.

Peace and Love



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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 1:17:40 PM   
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One interesting thing I'm seeing in here is there's no mention of walking a mile in the other role's shoes. I feel like it's - not necessarily a rule, but at least a very good idea to feel what the flogger's like before using it on someone else... what have people experienced along these lines?

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 1:51:34 PM   
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I'd have only one word of advice for a novice dom: experiment. I've never done research on BDSM techniques, have never read a single book about BDSM, never had a mentor, and, surprisingly enough, have never maimed or killed anyone. (I've been in the life for about thirteen years.) Of course I've made mistakes, but I don't think it's possible to learn anything without making mistakes.

If you are dominant, you are dominant. It is in you. There is nothing wrong with hearing other people's opinions, but they're not you, and their opinions aren't necessarily relevant to you. Everything you need to know is inside you if you let it out and know how to listen to it.

< Message edited by Lordandmaster -- 8/20/2005 1:52:01 PM >

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 3:00:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Veav

One interesting thing I'm seeing in here is there's no mention of walking a mile in the other role's shoes. I feel like it's - not necessarily a rule, but at least a very good idea to feel what the flogger's like before using it on someone else... what have people experienced along these lines?


See - this is brilliant advise.
It's not something that would be seen as 'usual' or even admitted by some people - but it has incredible wisdom in its thinking.

Thanks Veav - I think I might just start a fan club....


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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 4:25:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Veav

One interesting thing I'm seeing in here is there's no mention of walking a mile in the other role's shoes. I feel like it's - not necessarily a rule, but at least a very good idea to feel what the flogger's like before using it on someone else... what have people experienced along these lines?


I try out floggers, canes, belts, etc, on myself before I use them on a bottom, more to gauge the effort-impact ratio than anything else. I have an incredibly high tolerance for sensation compared to some so it's not really helpful for developing an empathy with how it's going to feel on someone else.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 4:39:50 PM   
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I try out floggers, canes, belts, etc, on myself before I use them on a bottom, more to gauge the effort-impact ratio than anything else. I have an incredibly high tolerance for sensation compared to some so it's not really helpful for developing an empathy with how it's going to feel on someone else.


Yes - but then not every submissive or slave has the same tolerance for pain either. (Lol - and you really have no idea of pain until you have given birth) - Its not about pain as much as the experience. And trying them out on yourself has its merits, but to have the experience of the other side is a different thing altogether.

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 4:40:29 PM   
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I dont mean to pick apart your thread, and its nothing personal - I just dislike the whole concept of list suggestions. It can fuel the failacy of 'true and real' and at the same time, make others feel like they are not even close to a 'standard'.


Angel, you know i am very respective of you and most (lets say 99.9%) of what you have discussed on CM, that i have read, is so sound.
i guess what alarms me is that people have a need to follow others standards for their own lives. That goes as far as always leading someone to castlrealm as well.
Thank you for pointing this out so eloquently.

~~shy

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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 4:45:45 PM   
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Define 'shoes'. Tried that vibrator on your G-spot? Most of wiitwd is psychological and subjective. If your nature is switchy, fine, but don't expect people with a more monopolar orientation to be able to share, in a meaningful way, the experiences they deliver to others. That would even include being hit with a flogger.


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RE: My advice for novice male dominants - 8/20/2005 4:53:00 PM   
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I dont think its like that for everyone.
I have seen very 'monopolar' - as you put it - dominants serve and even try out a flogging. Doesn't make them 'switchy' - and it can be a very powerful and helpful teaching tool for slaves and submissives.(And that includes a vibe on their g-spot)
I dont think anyone saying its a must, so theres no need to go defensive, but those who might want to experiment, shouldn't be made to feel less of a dom for doing so or that all the big macho stuff is what being a dominant is all about. Thats what this threads about - after all - knowing yourself and what you are.

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