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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 12:38:38 PM   
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I read your words. They were, perhaps, more revealing than you intended.


The same could be said of yours.  Or not.

You assume much.  That is dangerous logic.


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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 12:45:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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I read your words. They were, perhaps, more revealing than you intended.


The same could be said of yours.  Or not.

You assume much.  That is dangerous logic.



The same could be said of mine?  I certainly hope so.  I try to be very clear in what I think and feel.  I try to never assume anything.  However, I will end this bantering... first of all, because it will get neither of us anywhere, and secondly, because it is hard to put a serious thought down when I am so amused that I keep laughing.  Have a good time in your fantasy world.  I will stick to reality, thank you.
 
I will just end it with...... Neither gender is superior.

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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 12:50:03 PM   
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Thank you for the entertainment.  A pleasing interlude.




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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 8:59:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings beneathfeet,

i'm not sure what exactly you are trying to open up for discussion here, but your post reminds me of something i dealt with several times recently while sorting through emails from potential submissives (as i was/kind of am seeking one for myself). that is - it seems like for a lot of people, it's not about actually serving the person you're with, but about using their service to fulfill some fantasy in the exact way you want it fulfilled. your post is so generalized it just seems that you are seeking a dominant woman to fulfill your trampling fantasy...not someone you want to serve because of who she is in and of herself as a person and a woman, but because she is a (generic) dominant woman who will trample you "beyond your limits," so to speak.

anyway, i'm not knocking the post as a whole - because i always think it's interesting to hear such impassioned perspectives on issues that don't come up a lot in terms of personal experience on the boards. so i did like reading your post. but my intial reaction was just off.

hope you are well.

annabelle.



i have to be honest in answering that i am not exactly sure to what type of discourse i was asking for when i posted.  It is somewhat painful to me that i lack the human communication skills to express the emotions that came boiling out better.  At the very least i would like an attempt to clarify.  Thank You for responding, perhaps it is this that i need to help codify and clarify who i am in a manner that can be more clearly and readily communicated.

When i focused upon Trampling it is only because it is the instrument of suffering i am most familiar and experienced with.  Communicating my feelings alone, never mind ones i feel so passionatly about is a task totally foreign to me, so i reached for that which is best known and failed to generalize and abstract the specific actions from the intent.  It matters not how the Woman who Dominants and controls me cares to make me suffer, or even if She cares to make me suffer at all.  What matters is that the limits set upon the activities are Her's and Her's alone to set.  if all i can do is stay within the framework of what is comfortable and familiar than i am not submissive at all, i am just a self serving masochist.  This is something that i wish not too be, even in perception never mind reality.

Thank You so much for responding.  And for responding in such a clear and honest manner.  Without honest criticism no one, espeically myself, can ever hope to grow.


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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 9:14:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: catize

 
There is no superior gender, no superior group of any type.  Gender, race, religious factions are made up of individuals, each unique, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.  To apply blanket superiority or inferiority to entire categories of people is a disservice to all of humanity. 
Your post reeks of ‘troll’. 


Thank You for Your response.  On general principal and intellectual appeal i have to agree with You.  It is not at the intellectual level though that believes are made, and i promise this is not a believe that i am trying to foist upon anyone else.  This is simply my "believe in the absence of proof!" 

People are individuals and should always be taken and treated as the individuals they represent themselves as.  This statement obviously represents a dichotomy of position between stated "Female Superiority" and "Individualism"  The best i can do to expose my rationalization of this problem is to view it as a complex Venn diagram where there are overlaps, unions and exclusions of sets, yet the underlying principals remain.  i have always in the past and will continue to do so in the future argue for the equality of all peoples, with the exception of consensual agreements.

As to being a "Troll"  it is not my intent, and You and anyone else who perceives me as so is welcome to an open statement of apology if i have offended You be giving light to my personal held beliefs. i can't appologize for holding these beliefs, butt i will however apologize for failing to articulate them in a clearer and more acceptable manner.


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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 9:27:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

You know, pronouncing "faith" is often what people do when they're emotionally invested into something that they feel is threatened by earnest consideration.  As you said, you're unable to refute arguments and you enjoy things past the point that it would strike one as sane.

I would encourage you to consider your health.  Reading this gives me the feeling I had when I watched girls cut themselves after getting dumped back in highschool.. self-destructive and emotinally wrought in reasons I can't begin to empathize with.


A very astute and accurate reading of the situation.  Perhaps i would argue only upon the point of being "threatened by earnest consideration."  i was and still am certainly feeling pressured on many fronts, not just the D/s aspects of my life, and all of these fronts have to do with how any one person feels justified in not just advising but almost denigrating another person's personal choice because of the level of risk involved.

i do appreciate your advice, especially since you have chosen to give it in a manner that is not "Holier than Thou!"  A long time ago as a young Marine, i learned that life has nothing to do with how long you keep it, but how well you live it.  To quote my favorite motorcycle tee-shirt "i refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death"

Everyone's perspectives and opinions on this matter are important and interesting to me.  we most likely will end up settling at agreeing to disagree with each other in an amicable fashion.



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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 9:43:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

What if the female is dominant AND she has no wish to tromple you for your pleasure?  What if, her limit is ruining perfectly good heels?

And.. hmm... what exactly makes men so untrustworthy?  War, declarations of mass weapons of distruction, lying, cheating.. what is it?  I am thinking people that express those things are doing it because they can, not because they need it so badly and repress it until it explodes.
Umm.. You don't have any of those repressed feelings.. do you?

If so.. are you far from California?
<nervously>
Kyst


You have asked a very pointed question, for which i will hopefully give You a satisfactory pointed reply.
The needs, wishes, desires and limits of the Dominant Female MUST and will always supersede any petty needs, desires or limits of my own.  And never ever would i wish to have a perfectly good pair of heels ruined upon my grizzled and toughened hide. 

There seems to be a central theme throughout the responses to my post that indicates a clear failing on my part in expressing in earnest my position and belief. All that i really wished to state, though with the greatest amount of passion possible is that without "reason" i find myself compelled to bow down before the power of Women in general.  Furthermore that when S/m, especially edge play is involved it is my belief that the Woman who Dominants and Controls me has every right to set the limits, regardless of how high or low along the journey towards the edge and abyss beyond She desires to travel.

if i knew what makes men and Women so very different i would gladly share it with You just for asking, butt alas i honestly don't have the first clue.  The only thing i do know is that by dint of birth and training i am incapable of considering any man anything other than my equal in all regards, and am inclined to belief that Most Women are superior in almost all regards.

And yes, i just might have a repressed feeling or two lurking around, but please don't tell anyone, i wouldn't want to spoil my rep.
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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 9:52:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

You state that which you believe, and I respect your words on that basis.

That being said, no woman is my superior.  I have yet to meet the woman who could presume to be my equal. 

In my house,  I am lord and master.  In the world beyond, I am a man--a man of action certainly, and a man of honor hopefully.  In either realm, I cannot fathom ever bowing to the will of a woman.



Each of us has their own path to travel and their own beliefs to guide them.
When all is said and done all that we have left to be measured by is honor, integrity and the strength of our convictions, along with the flexibility of our minds to consider others and their points of view.






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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 9:55:08 PM   
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First and foremost, it's human nature to have something to believe in.  Everybody has beliefs, codes, so called articles of faith they live by.  Some people have only a few basic ones others have many.

However, one wayism line of thinking will always be greeted with conflict.  What is right for one person is not right for another.   The trick is to maintain a balance of common interests and beliefs in any group or society.

It's ok for people to believe in female or male superiority or to not believe in those things.   The reality is this, it's not for everybody.

these concepts can never fully become reality for everybody to peacefully coexist in this world.

In regards to this statement you made ... "Dominant Women are well balanced individuals".   This is not a true logical statement.   There are some not so well balanced ones out there as well.   Everybody male and female has issues, problems and demons of some form.   There are many well balance Dominant Men as well.

Perhaps, some people that come to this site would not know it from all the pervy rude emails from "Dom Men" on the other side.   A lot of people are drawn to this site with misconceptions or whatever else.    D/s is not a BDSM exclusive concept, nor is the concept of Superiority.

Yes, faith can be the belief in the absense of proof.  This history has shown time and time again many people being screwed over because somebody took advantage of proof.   Hell look at what happened with "Heaven's Gate" cult, all those people took their life thinking they were gonna hitch a ride on that comment.

Faith can also, be the belief in knowing something that has been proven to you time and time again.  It's a bit like trust.   Like I have faith that certain people that borrow money from me will pay me back.   I have faith that certain people will catch my fall at times, faith in knowing certain people are out there in the streets dealing in crack as well.   I have faith in all the good and bad things people are capable of doing.   I have faith in the fact that not all men nor all women are well balanced creatures.   I have faith in the human persona and all it can do. (good, bad, or indifferent).



    





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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 9:57:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: beneathfeet
Each of us has their own path to travel and their own beliefs to guide them.
When all is said and done all that we have left to be measured by is honor, integrity and the strength of our convictions, along with the flexibility of our minds to consider others and their points of view.

Very true and well said.


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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 10:10:05 PM   
beneathfeet


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ORIGINAL: MystressDream
Those who believe in female superiority are no worse than those who believe in male superiority.  Both are signs of closeminded weakness.


Dear MystressDream:

my apologies if You were offended by my views or dragged into a running debate because of them either.

You present Yourself so very well and articulate at a level well beyond my current reach.  In Your closing sentence You mention the belief in gender based superiority as both "closeminded and weak."  While i consider myself neither of these things, i find myself in the quandary that i do tend to find Most Woman to be superior, in the very least to me, if not in the general sense.

The crux of the problem is that i am fairly comfortable with who i am, yet find it extremely difficult to articulate with any degree of accuracy who that is without inciting a storm of replies in the range of questioning my overall sanity too questioning my political correctness.  i will be honest in that i have not a single atom of political correctness in my entire being, so i suppose those criticisms are fair.

However, any advice You might consider sharing would be greatly appreciated.


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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 10:30:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave

First and foremost, it's human nature to have something to believe in.  Everybody has beliefs, codes, so called articles of faith they live by.  Some people have only a few basic ones others have many.

However, one wayism line of thinking will always be greeted with conflict.  What is right for one person is not right for another.   The trick is to maintain a balance of common interests and beliefs in any group or society.

It's ok for people to believe in female or male superiority or to not believe in those things.   The reality is this, it's not for everybody.

these concepts can never fully become reality for everybody to peacefully coexist in this world.

In regards to this statement you made ... "Dominant Women are well balanced individuals".   This is not a true logical statement.   There are some not so well balanced ones out there as well.   Everybody male and female has issues, problems and demons of some form.   There are many well balance Dominant Men as well.

Perhaps, some people that come to this site would not know it from all the pervy rude emails from "Dom Men" on the other side.   A lot of people are drawn to this site with misconceptions or whatever else.    D/s is not a BDSM exclusive concept, nor is the concept of Superiority.

Yes, faith can be the belief in the absense of proof.  This history has shown time and time again many people being screwed over because somebody took advantage of proof.   Hell look at what happened with "Heaven's Gate" cult, all those people took their life thinking they were gonna hitch a ride on that comment.

Faith can also, be the belief in knowing something that has been proven to you time and time again.  It's a bit like trust.   Like I have faith that certain people that borrow money from me will pay me back.   I have faith that certain people will catch my fall at times, faith in knowing certain people are out there in the streets dealing in crack as well.   I have faith in all the good and bad things people are capable of doing.   I have faith in the fact that not all men nor all women are well balanced creatures.   I have faith in the human persona and all it can do. (good, bad, or indifferent).


you make some very good points for which i thank you.
please allow me to answer some of them, hopefully in clarification in exchange for the viewpoints you have so kindly shared.

  • These Articles of Faith, apply to me alone.  i would never profess to forcing my views upon anyone else.  This would just be a violation of both basic ethics and ethos.
  • i will have to take your word on the balanced nature of people in general, i may not be the best judge of character as i tend to take people at face value.  This has just been my experience and it has held true to date that i have not met an unbalanced Female Dominant Woman.  Does not mean that they don't exist and i stand corrected.
  • Logical statements are never in concurrence with statements of faith.  In the face of proof and logic faith evaporates! as the two concepts are antithetical.
  • One can NOT profess "faith" in that which is proven.  i don't wish to argue semantics or language syntax.  This is my understanding of the nature of faith, that is all.
Thank you again for adding balance to my more than somewhat unbalanced original post.  i am hoping that what is becoming clearer is that these are my personal beliefs and are not meant to be taken as the rantings of a street corner doomsday prophet, or a sales pitch to convince anyone else.  At best they are an attempt to elucidate who i am and at worst they are a rage against those who claim to know what is best for all other and decry any risky practice as unsafe, insane and impracticable.



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RE: Articles of Faith - 12/25/2007 10:33:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

You state that which you believe, and I respect your words on that basis.

That being said, no woman is my superior.  I have yet to meet the woman who could presume to be my equal. 

In my house,  I am lord and master.  In the world beyond, I am a man--a man of action certainly, and a man of honor hopefully.  In either realm, I cannot fathom ever bowing to the will of a woman.



Funny, I feel that way as a submissive sort, I was rather lucky to find the one man I felt is more than my equal on many levels, and at least my equal in other areas.... I find most men just aren't


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