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kc692 -> RE: Chemo (12/25/2007 10:41:59 PM)

I am so sorry.  My husband has been in remission approximately 6 years and was a different type of cancer, but it's hard on both of you. My husband had so many surgeries and removals of tumors, skin grafts.......Just remember if he should depressed and uncommunicative at times, there may be times you can do nothing but just step away, but stay close and let him deal a bit by themselves still knowing you are there.  I will keep you both in my prayers and thoughts.  Please let us know whats happening.  Feel free to mail me on the other side, or just come here on the boards and vent.  We are all here for you!!!




PanthersMom -> RE: Chemo (12/25/2007 10:46:18 PM)

our prayers are with you. 

PM




EvilGenie -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 3:59:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

My father beat it, and he was in a weakened state when he went through it. Natural detox, and melotonin should help quite a bit. Many people do not realize the benfits of melotonin http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/melatonin/NS_patient-melatonin

Positive thoughts hekped my Dad, and I am positive they will help your SO as well.

Live well,
Orion


I was going to mention melatonin, however, I would discuss any supplements with physicians before beginning them. Chemotherapy is a different set of drugs/varying amounts based on many factors so make sure the doc knows everything he is taking and ask questions regarding new supplements. Melatonin is great stuff though just because something says dietary supplement doesn't mean that one shouldn't seek doctor approval and/or dosing recommendations especially when this sort of treatment is happening.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 5:20:22 AM)

definately discuss any supplements with your dr....a friend is going thru chemo right now and she said she wished she hadnt gone in expecting to be sick......she has a bad day on the 3rd day after it, but otherwise has even gone so far as to call the dr and ask are you sure you gave me chemo-i feel so great.

she said the shots they give her have helped immensely......they help the red blood cells replenish between treatments.

just remember, they have made great progress in the past few years.  i wish him well, and you also.





KatyLied -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 5:26:34 AM)

Sorry to hear about this.  You and your man are in my thoughts.  Feel free to pm me if you need to vent.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 7:02:28 AM)

Agreed, discussing with your physician should go without saying, but I also believe in independent research, as some physicians may not know of studies that are out there. That is why I provided the Mayo Clinic link. Read carefully all the material, as some of it pertains to melatonin injections, and not PO (by mouth). In most studies concerning Chemo and cancer, they all agree that boosting anti-oxidants help, but there are many added benefits to melatonin.

As an aside, there have been no reported over doses of melatonin, but headache and upset stomach are signs of being allergic (sensitive) or taking too much. I use 3mg to 5mg nightly for general health.

Positive thoughts are extremely helpful, and there are studies on that as well. If I remember correctly, a positive attitude in the patient could as much as double the chances of success.

Live well,
Orion

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGenie

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

My father beat it, and he was in a weakened state when he went through it. Natural detox, and melotonin should help quite a bit. Many people do not realize the benfits of melotonin http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/melatonin/NS_patient-melatonin

Positive thoughts hekped my Dad, and I am positive they will help your SO as well.

Live well,
Orion


I was going to mention melatonin, however, I would discuss any supplements with physicians before beginning them. Chemotherapy is a different set of drugs/varying amounts based on many factors so make sure the doc knows everything he is taking and ask questions regarding new supplements. Melatonin is great stuff though just because something says dietary supplement doesn't mean that one shouldn't seek doctor approval and/or dosing recommendations especially when this sort of treatment is happening.




MsBearlee -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 7:30:19 AM)

Aileen,
 
My brother, in his late 50s and always healthy, active and fit, recently discovered he has rectal cancer.  He had the operation followed first by radiation.  That damn near killed him!  He figured “I’ve got cancer, of course I’m gonna feel like shit…” and ended up so dehydrated he was hospitalized; his kidney’s shut down!  When his wife told me that I thought he had 2-3 days to live; but NO!  Happily, one can recover from that; he did and is back on the right track.  He finished up several more bouts of radiation…and is now doing chemo.  He has some sort of shunt in his body and wears a special back-pack around…which holds the device which administers the chemo.  He’s not even missed a day of work (well…since the radiation).
 
He would have preferred not to go to such drastic measures either…but his cancer was somewhat advanced and for a perfect recovery; they suggested bringing out all the big guns.  He’s doing REALLY well…the markers they look for are gone or lessening; he’s active and his prognosis looks wonderful. 
 
As scary as the ‘C’ word is, just know there ARE happy endings, make sure he talks to the doc about everything he feels and ALL the physical reactions he experiences and that sometimes what looks like the darkest possible result…just isn’t nearly as bad as you imagined it! 
 
Oh, and hydration is a GOOD thing.
 
There is a very good writer from NPR who is one of the most up-beat guys I’ve ever seen.  He recently did a television show, inviting the camera to follow him through chemo, etc.  His blog has helped a LOT of people:  http://www.npr.org/blogs/mycancer/index.html   
 
I wish you and your man well…and will send positive thoughts.  Hang in there, kiddo!
 
Beverly




velvetears -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 8:21:11 AM)

You can read up on this, i don't know if it is something you want to consider but i remember doing research when my mom had beyond stage 4 lung cancer and we were giving it to her, unfortunately she never had the time for it to work beore she had to be hospitalized for other cancer related complications - it's extremely expensive but perhaps worth a look at.  It's shark cartilege which in a nut shell works by cutting off the blood supply to tumors.  It works to help other inflammatory diseases like arthritis, psoriasis and enteritis.  http://www.realife.com/angioinhibitor.html

The fact that they caught it early and the type of cancer it is definately makes his prognosis good.  i wish him and you all the best.  Remember through all of it take time for you so you don't run yourself ragged and get sick.  There's lot's of support groups too, if that sort of thing is something you could benefit from. 




Marc2b -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 10:54:30 AM)

Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. 




DomMeinCT -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 12:55:57 PM)

More positive reinforcement:  I have two friends now in long-time remission after chemo treatment for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma.  It's definitely beatable!

Best to you both.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 2:01:56 PM)

Hey thanks everyone.  You all have no clue how much the words I've just read have helped me mentally.  I'm still processing everything and my mind's still all jumbled.  I plan on responding in more detail later if I don't crash and burn and sleep til the morning.  Thanks.




Owner59 -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 2:16:47 PM)

Hopefully, you crash and rest your head.Something tells me you haven`t slept for days.




LaTigresse -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 2:18:42 PM)

Aileen, get some rest. Take care of you.

The rest will be okay, it really will.




Gwynvyd -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 2:46:01 PM)

You and your honey are in our thoughts and prayers.

Here are some links to help you both out.

http://www.cancure.org/help_side_effects.htm
http://www.cancure.org/Chemo_support.htm

Diffantly read this one:
Adding Radioimmunotherapy To Chemo May Help Patients With Lymphoma
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070603215236.htm

http://www.qconline.com/quest2001/physical/exercise.shtml

Support groups and help for you.

http://www.fightingchance.org/index.php
http://asinglelight.org/Mambo/component/option,com_search/  this will help you find local groups.
http://www.thewellnesscommunity.org/support/ ( they have some great links.. and it is a large community )

as some one else posted your main job is going to be keeping him positive, and not showing him your worries. I know that is hard. You will need support as well, someone you can talk to about all of the stages of it, and all of your concerns. With him stay upbeat and positive, as that is what he is going to need to fight this. Small amounts of activity, music, fresh air, and positive things will help him get through this.

Know you have many who stand behind you and are praying for a healthy and speedy outcome. *hugs*

Gwyn




Maya2001 -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 2:48:20 PM)

Look into and talk to doctors about milk thistle extract, it can protect and repair the liver from the damaging effects caused be chemo treatments, I have seen  good results in dogs that have suffered liver damage  due  to ingesttion of drugs.   Any supplements you decide to use should be discussed  with the doctors and they can interact with  each other  or other prescribed drugs , so can do more harm that good  if interactions are not taken into consideration.   and good luck I am currently 25 years cancer free after having ovarian cancer and my  brother is almost at 20 years after prostate cancer sugery followed by  chemo and fathered 2 children after

http://www.cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/ft-CPMC-IRB-14117

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/silymarin/NS_patient-milkthistle






Termyn8or -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 3:58:57 PM)

Chemo and radiation are designed like antibiotics, that is to make one's body unfriendly to the disease. Therefore I will refrain from making specific recommendations, and those I do make should be cleared with the doc.

First and foremost make sure he eats right. Get rid of those potatoes and the sugar. Out with the chips and the soda pop.

Get some green veggies, hint, take asparagus or greenbeans for that matter and fry them in butter and garlic. I mean real butter and real garlic. Try to get your hands on some real seasalt. Stop using the shit they sell in the stores altogether. And no more hydrogenated, that means margarine.

He is going to need some meat, as there are two things trying to kill him. There is no currently available substitute for the minerals we derive from meat due to the fact that animals are given a quite effective bunch of supplements.

A variety, as long as the known poisons are avoided would do nicely. Nuts and spices are nature's vitamin pills, and I got that from our own FDA, not in those words, but I got it. And they weren't the only source.

You make this dietary change slowly, not all at once. Don't worry about using too much salt, if you get the right salt it is about $12 a pound. And what's more you will literally have to pound salt to use it, which is where the saying comes from. One place I know has good salt is saltworks.us  , but their prices went up drastically, especially on their organic, potable salts. But you don't use as much, and the important point is that you completely stop using the regular table salt. It is poison.

Steak and salad, chicken breast and salad. Homemade dressing, or really modified dressing. Nuts, and the greener the veggie the better. Lots of spices used in moderation.

One of the reasons I am denoting all this is that he is likely to lose alot of his appetite. So when he does eat he needs things that nourish him, and most American's diet just doesn't cut it, and may be the root cause of the disease. Probably is.

I say to anyone with a bad health condition, write down EVERYTHING you eat for a week. Without that information, I can give no more. If you want him to live, you must live, and learn, and learn alot.

Characteristically when people are sick they have less appetite, as such, EVERY THING he eats has to be good nutritionally. If you are the one doing the cooking and you want to live, you probably have alot to learn. You might be a fantastic cook and make spagetti even better than mine, but bringing him a huge plate of it simply isn't going to work.

Smaller meals, rich in minerals, spicy and tasty, that is what is required. Enough roughage to keep the plumbing working of course, but a well balanced mineral intake with the proper amount of bulk is important right now.

And, IMO, if this was done decades ago he would not be having chemo today. Diet determines health, and you are indeed what you eat.

You may mail me for more info on this, I'll send you a zip file the contents of which may blow your mind. Or you could just come back here. State the diet, let's go from there. If you would rather not, I got hundreds of pages on the subject and you can just do your own research, but then time it not on your side.

I wish you and he well, and if you can understand my point, that his disease was CAUSED by his diet, and want to learn more, just ask.

People are so ignorant to that fact. They are taught to be that way, and do not care what is in their food as long as it tasted good. This is the problem.

And there is one last thing, two things my buddy Jim imparted to me while he was alive.

One, the ozone layer does not and never has existed.

---Ozone is heavier, and as the Earth rotates it is naturally pulled towards the equator. This does, and always has left the polar regions unprotected, but from the angle of incidence of the sun up there and down there, it is such an oblique angle, they do not need the ozone layer. Now in Ecuador it is, of course a different story, but that is where the ozone belt is, so no problem.

Two, cancer does not exist. You might find this hard to swallow, but I will now similarly give a coherent rationalization for that statement.

---Cancer is a blanket word they use for a whole family of similar diseases. They all manifest them in different way, and require different cures, if any. It's like if two people walk into the hospital with a rash, one is smallpox, another is an allergic reaction but they look similar. One may walk in with a tumor in his liver, another with a tumor in the kindey. These require different treatments. So how is it that they are all grouped under the big C ?

If your lymph nodes get it, if your liver gets it, if your brain gets it, if your throat gets it. All different, all with different treatments.

The same disease ? I think not.

Jim may have been right. The C word is used at just the right time, to make money.

So your Man's problem is that he has something they have defined, and now time will tell if they can help him. Generally I think not, it is in both of your charge to learn as much as possibe about his specific condition. To research and learn. Each person's health is their own responsibility, and that of their mate or spouse.

I hope I made my point, which is DO NOT TRUST THEM. I am not saying they are nasty and out to kill you or him, but their competence varies and their methods do as well. They are not always right.

That means understanding every drug they prescribe and possibly refusing it, that means alot of research. But that's only if you care.

Words to the wise I hope.

T




mefisto69 -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 4:06:35 PM)

My dad fought Leukemia for 15 years. He took vitamin supplements and smoked a little weed when he couldnt eat. I can't remember the name of the drug right now but, for the last 2 years, he took a very expensive monthly injection to help boost his white cell count. The oncologist will know what it is and if your man will need it......... hope you have really good insurance! Have patience and strength




Griswold -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 5:32:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

My man starts chemo tomorrow.  I'm completely frightened and freaked  out.  it's not the way we want to heal him, but he has an aggressive form of Non-Hodgkins lymphoma and we can't risk running out of time.  If anyone has any advice on how to weather this the best, we'd appreciate it.  He plans on juicing throughout because we figure he'll be able to digest that better.  We'll find out if that's true and can change that if it doesn't work.  He also plans on detoxing his body afterwards.  He is sickened by the thought of puposefully putting those poisons into his body.  But we can't take the chance.  Supposedly the type he has responds extremely well to chemo and has a successful cure rate.  I'm just rambling at this point.  I'm on the edge of panic.


Sweety, quit worrying about this shit.

Paul Allen (co-founder of Microsoft) had the same thing in the very early 80's (back when they didn't know anywhere near the shit they know now).  He's still around.

They know a lot more shit now.

Start planning your mans' next birthday.

(And the one after that as well).




Leatherist -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 7:46:59 PM)

I'm sorry, friends of mine have gone through this and survived. There is still hope.

I will offer a prayer for you both-healing for him, and peace for you.




AquaticSub -> RE: Chemo (12/26/2007 7:53:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

My man starts chemo tomorrow.  I'm completely frightened and freaked  out.  it's not the way we want to heal him, but he has an aggressive form of Non-Hodgkins lymphoma and we can't risk running out of time.  If anyone has any advice on how to weather this the best, we'd appreciate it.  He plans on juicing throughout because we figure he'll be able to digest that better.  We'll find out if that's true and can change that if it doesn't work.  He also plans on detoxing his body afterwards.  He is sickened by the thought of puposefully putting those poisons into his body.  But we can't take the chance.  Supposedly the type he has responds extremely well to chemo and has a successful cure rate.  I'm just rambling at this point.  I'm on the edge of panic.


I'm sorry I didn't see this until now, but let me offer what support I can to you. Talk to your doctors, ask them any question you can think of, find a chemo center with kind and supportive staff. Discuss all detox and juicing plans with doctors - no matter how small it might seem to you, talk about it. You never know what might help or hurt.

Remember that everyone just wants to help him and help him get better. I really feel for you and what you are going through. Reach out to friends and family, and to cancer support groups. I know I'm not much but words on a screen but I'm sending you both all my best wishes.

Much love,
Aqua




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