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parttimehotty -> Sub Space (12/26/2007 7:58:24 AM)

Could someone please explain "sub space" to me?  Is it the equivilant of focusing elsewhere (like floating above your body) during a beating or the like?

Humbly thanking  you for your time.




TMaster2 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 8:16:01 AM)

I believe that is a very good description of what many feel -- like reaching your "zone" and other things fade away.  Sensation space




kinkypuppy2 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 8:24:23 AM)

Yes, Its also partly a endorphin high. and partly something acheaved by peote and other pharmasuticals I understand.




BlackWolfSwitch -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 8:40:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: parttimehotty

Could someone please explain "sub space" to me?  Is it the equivilant of focusing elsewhere (like floating above your body) during a beating or the like?

Humbly thanking  you for your time.


The 'sub space' as you've mentioned is the mental positioning that a submissive takes to get in the mood, so to speak. Once in this mindset, the submissive has drowned out the outside world and nothing more exists than the other person(s) involved in the scene.
 
Please note that this is true for anyone, actually. Dominants have need to get in their mindset, as do those that do pup-play/pony-play, or those that are switches, or anything else you can think of. Without one getting into their mindset, it can become difficult to do what one could otherwise easily do while in the mood, and the results of playing outside of this mental calm can be fruitless and even possibly disasterous.
 
Also see: getting in the groove, in the mood, in their happy place, ect.
 
Hope that helps you (and others) to understand. :)
 
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OldBastardly1 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 8:56:41 AM)

This question has been asked many times. I am sure that LA will be along soon with a few threads to help you understand what it is and what it isn't.

I think you would get more accurate answers from submissives who have actually experienced subspace than from a Dominant that hasn't. I have been told it is much more than has been stated by Wolf, but I have never experienced subspace.




BlackWolfSwitch -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 9:08:48 AM)

My response is the jist of it from my PoV, and yes I have experienced the mindset(s).
I am a switch, afterall... and owned on top of it.
 
:)




LadyHugs -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 9:16:02 AM)

Dear parttimehotty, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Sub space, more correctly spelled out Submissive space and or flying, is achieved by having the right cocktail in body chemicals within you (the person), which adrenaline as well as endorphins which affects the mind as to achieve anything from a buzz to a floating feeling, as if flying in outter space and only teathered by the voice of the TOP/Dominant/Master or Mistress.
 
External things, like stress, medications taken, depression and the like; can/will/may affect achieving a zone and or the platform as to lift off much like a kite and or a hot air balloon.
 
Knowing how the body reacts to pain and pressure, emotions and the like; the Dominant is much like the instrument to mix the right cocktail for that time, place and with measured additions of pain and maintaining a level, can lift a submissive/slave into a sensation of being in flight and free from the Earth bound cares, worries and or expectations.
 
The 'flight' and or 'sub space' is much like traveling through one of those old pointed cone like cups where noises are heard and awareness is at the widest part of the cone and as the mix of internal adrenaline, endorphins and other internal body chemicals increase in strength the cone narrows and you start feeling the withdraw of your surroundings and your senses go inward and much like a dream but--not exactly you narrow focus to just a thread--or a tether/leash to the TOP/Dominant.   You would be at the most narrow point of the 'cone.'  Sometimes people go past that and loose the tether or connection with the TOP/Dominant and you are in free flight.
This is where you really are flying.  Loop-de-loops around Mars or some other planet in space.
This is where the TOP/Dominant comes in and maintains you--where no increase of strokes or impact is increased.  You'll be in your own little world and at times body temperature decreases and maintaining the flogging is just keeping you warm and ready for re-entry.
 
When the TOP/Dominant decreases the intensity, the amount of flogging your body which always wishes to maintain a normal chemical balance will start taking over and slowly letting the slave's/submissive's own natural body reclaiming; will continue to pull you through the cone and flog in reverse of the achievement of flying/subspace as to not allow a huge absence of chemicals as to cause what is known as 'sub-drop' or 'crashing.'  The Dominant will be asking what you see ...e.g. Mars, mountain tops, tree tops and the like as to tell where in flight you are.  If you want to fly a bit at a lower level--the Dominant/TOP (if willing/able) can maintain the flogging tempo as to 'maintain' that level a bit and then decrease from there until you are on the ground and you have landed.  Your 'senses' should return but, you will still be 'drunk' from sub space/flying.  So, you are in a state where you can hurt yourself, e.g. falling, walking into things, etc.  This is when a good cuddle or 'after care' is normally given.
 
I must add, that 'sub-space'/flying is never exactly the same.  No one 'trip' is the same.  If you know that ahead of time, you can appreciate the flight that much more.
 
In addition, not everybody can achieve sub space/flying easily.  Some cannot go beyond the tree tops.  It shouldn't be judged as bad or good--just something that is. 
 
There is a lot of trust involved in order to settle the mind and emotions as to allow the lift off.  Mood is only a part of it--the body's own chemical makeup is changing constantly.  But, unlike a man-made manufactured chemical (illegal drugs)--your body provides the necessary chemicals to allow these 'trips.'  And, these trips will be mirroring much like being drunk and or under the influence of drugs and or alcholic beverages.  So, its important for you as much as the TOP/Dominant to have you grounded and functional hours before you drive or operate as an independent person.
 
There is another tid-bit to mention.  One can always put themself back into a state of flying or sub space if you will by replaying the scene in your mind.  While driving, this could cause you an accident so --please be aware and go to bed and relive the scene and fly there.  It won't be as high but, you will still have a bit to enjoy.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




velvetSurrender -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 9:32:02 AM)

IT IS WHERE YOU LOSE YOURSELF
YOU BECOME NOT YOU
BUT THE PLACE WHERE IT IS ALL CLEAR
WHERE YOU KNOW NO MATTER WHAT DANGER YOUR IN
YOU ARE PROTECTED ,SAFE AND LOVED BY YOUR DOM.
WISHING ALL PEACE AND JOY FOR A HAPPY NEW YEAR. 




parttimehotty -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 9:39:39 AM)

Wow! lol, thank you, LadyH! Thank you Everyone!  i understand it much better now.
Have a safe & happy New Year!




DesFIP -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 11:01:11 AM)

It's an altered state of consciousness. Have you ever meditated, ever been hypnotized, ever taken up running and experienced runner's high? Those are altered states of consciousness. As to how it is experienced? Two major types, one is hyperfocus on what is happening and the other is a floaty feeling.




sexyred1 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 11:08:07 AM)

I think the answer would vary from sub to sub. For me, it is feeling like being high, floating away on high sensations and in a dreamy state, but I am always aware of my surroundings and who I am with.

I am aroused at a point where I can take some things that would be too painful for me, had I not been in that space. Arousal is key for me for subspace, I cannot achieve it without sexual arousal/heightened sensations. Sometimes, even a spoken word by the right person can put me into subspace or at least partly there.




christine1 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 11:34:44 AM)

i haven't experienced "sub space" either and  i'm wondering, is it only attainable while recieving pain?




parttimehotty -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 12:14:27 PM)

My apologies, OB for asking a question that's already been posted before but you were reading my mind, i figured that LA would be here soon/send the links :)  How DOES she do that?? lol




OldBastardly1 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 12:39:19 PM)

No need to apologize.

I don't know how LA does it, but she is very resourceful. Maybe she does a search for the topic.




IamJustMe2C -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 2:08:23 PM)

christine1   No it is not only achievable by pain. The sub space toppic has been discussed so many times throught the ages and it is a good topic as no one person can achieve it the same way twice or every time. Each person when they do achieve it is rewarded with a wonderful feeling. But how they go there and how they get to that place is a mystery to us all. If I could put a slave there every time I wanted to they would be there every time all the time.




christine1 -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 5:02:58 PM)

Thanks for your input...i still don't really have a clue about sub space yet since i've never been there but i'm thinking that being with someone you completely trust and feel comfortable around is a good place to start.




LadyHugs -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 5:30:12 PM)

Dear christine1, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
As far as I know, there are two major launches into submissive-space/flying aka sub-space.  Pain and the endorphine and adreniline cocktail and the sensual/sexual/sensation route, which has a more adreniline and pheromone chemical cocktail mix.  There might be a mix of endoprhine, adreniline and pheromones which blend in any circumstances.
 
Those who are not comfortable in pain or the like, can often find the right touch by a Master/Dominant/TOP if they know the 'powers' of touch and the voice.  Transmitting the right mental, emotional suggestions as to have you create the cocktail mix internally, the necessity of working with your olfaction gland (sense of smell) and the senses you have, touch, hearing, awareness you may/can/will/should/might find yourself able to launch into subspace/flying by the mixture of sensual caresses of textures and the voice coaxing you into a deeper plane of peace and relaxation state.  The ability of our body to smell the opposite sex's pheromones triggers the cocktail in our body as to become aroused and in the primal drive to breed/mate and or have intercourse--it is a mating dance in the mind per se.  Scents like leather, its texture and how it feels to the skin awakens the sensory organs.  Often a blindfold is used so that the eyes are forced into limbo as to allow the other senses to take over.  But, often having the hands and voice of a TOP/Dominant who knows that power can lift you into the launch and in a skillful work of the mind and senses can get you into the state of rapture--bliss.
 
It really is the submissive who needs to find their special keys/triggers to get into the state as to permit the Dominant to lauch you and, I will add -- not every Dominant will be able to use the same keys/triggers.  All Dominants are different, even if we use the same exact tools, amounts of strokes and the like.  So, sometimes a submissive/slave has to launch themselves or give hints/feedback as to que a Dominant and hope they pick up on it to flip the series of triggers as to permit a flight/subspace.
 
I have launched a few individuals into subspace by using my hands, voice and textures--not a harsh rap or beating was required.  Their perception of a half-an-hour scene was really an intense four hour scene.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 




DesFIP -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 5:43:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: christine1
i haven't experienced "sub space" either and  i'm wondering, is it only attainable while recieving pain?


For me, it isn't achievable through pain. I float from sensory deprivation; blindfold, gag, bondage.




Coerced2Please -> RE: Sub Space (12/26/2007 5:45:18 PM)

can "sub space" be safely sustained for hours?




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