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Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 5:21:07 PM   
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Residents of Minneapolis and Seattle are the most bookish and well-read, according to results from a new survey released today of the most literate American cities.


The survey focused on 69 U.S. cities with populations of 250,000 or above. Jack Miller of Central Connecticut State University chose six key indicators to rank literacy. These included newspaper circulation, number of bookstores, library resources, periodical publishing resources, educational attainment and Internet resources.


Overall, the top 10 most literate (and wired) cities included:


1—Minneapolis, Minn.
2—Seattle, Wash.
3—St. Paul, Minn.
4—Denver, Colo.
5—Washington, D.C.
6—St. Louis, Mo.
7—San Francisco, Calif.
8—Atlanta, Ga.
9—Pittsburgh, Pa.
10—Boston, Mass.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20071227/sc_livescience/mostliterateuscitiesminneapolisandseattle

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 5:58:39 PM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 6:14:58 PM   
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I wonder if they aren't counting the college students, because they aren't Boston residents, instead they qualify as residents of their hometowns even though they live 9 months of the year in Boston? Because if so, that's skewing the statistics enormously.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 6:42:14 PM   
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Washington DC? Isn't the educational system in DC the *worst* in the nation?



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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 7:14:09 PM   
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yeahhhhhh Seattle!!  ..... 

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 7:59:21 PM   
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Yay San Francisco, Atlanta and Pittsburgh (oh and Seattle too!)

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 8:00:40 PM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.

Why do you think that Lam? Do tell please!

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 8:01:42 PM   
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Because I know both cities.  Boston is one of the most literate cities on earth.  Atlanta...is not.

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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.

Why do you think that Lam? Do tell please!

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 8:44:24 PM   
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Because I know both cities.  Boston is one of the most literate cities on earth.  Atlanta...is not.

I don't know much about Boston except when I am there for gigs.... I do however know Atlanta and I've seen plenty of literate people there.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 9:46:27 PM   
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There are literate people everywhere.  The issue to me is what kind of literate culture a city can provide.  Otherwise this survey is pretty meaningless.  And to compare Atlanta to Boston culturally is, well, pretty far-fetched.

Just my opinion--evidently it's not the same as yours.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 10:59:44 PM   
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I dunno, we might be talking oranges and tangerines here.

LaM, I have also been to Atlanta, and while I did not really study up on the people's intelligence there because I was there for a very short time, they were quite friendly. I didn't really get political, but they did tell me which way to go where I was going. But now the issue that I bring up now is this, are we talking about the percentage of the populous in the area who can be considered competent in literacy, or are we taking a level of literacy ?

Literacy is hard to measure, many are able to compose or read a letter, even a long one, some are able to compose books, and then there are a few who can actually understand the Protocols for instance. Or another example would be "Secret Weapons For Silent Wars". each are extremely difficult to understand and make the Bible look easy.

So what level of literacy are we talking here ? I don't care if these documents were typed out by some guy in his basement in Yugo-bumfuct-Egypt somewhere, they are turning out to be true. In surprising detail I might add.

But I have shown these things to people and they report that they just can't read them, they cannot adapt to the style. Of course each is a translation, so the chosen words are what the translator chose, not the author. Of course this complicates everything but this is 2007 and that is how it is.

I mean how do we define it, three categories like barely, quite and extremely ?

So based on my limited knowledge of the places, and a fair knowledge of demographics, I will put it forth, my ubiquitous opinion again. This is opinion and theory, not a conclusion or a statement, but I think the facts bear it out until someone gets real facts, and that may be hard to find. But based on my observations I will say two things. If we use my supposed scale, taking into account the demographics of each area, Boston and Atlanta that is, I purport the following.

I would say that the percentage of people in Atlanta of those who are at least basically or quite literate is higher in Atlanta. However, I also say that the percentage of people in Boston who are highly literate are higher in percentage than in Atlanta.

There are so many reasons I would put this forth. Note that I do not assert it. But factors that others would not ever consider came to me, population density, WHEN population density changed, and the proliferation of many things.

Now remember all this is my opinion. You might see things differently, but that is not the main subject of my question. How do we measure literacy ? Do we have an imaginary yardstick or something ? Many people can read the ads in a Sunday paper, many people can actually balance their checkbook, although I see many who need a calculator.

So what level is it that we would consider someone literate ? I don't want to stroke the group here too much, but I have alway been impressed here.

Look what we are doing here. We are reading, many on a daily basis, posts from other people. We are thinking about what we have read and we compose a response. That in and of itself is a mark of intelligence, but it is not the end all of it by any means.

Alot of people do regular ermail, this has been becoming more commonplace. As such do we raise the standard ? And if we do, to what ?

And just what knowledge would be required to be adjudged highly literate, or intelligent for that matter ? Just who is it who decides which questions go on that test ? even trhe standard IQ tests have been thoroughly debated and modified over the years.

So are we talking percapita moderately or basically literate, or are we talking REALLY literate ? That is the question.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/27/2007 11:05:09 PM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.


My friend teaches in Georgia, and they have a wonderful school system there. Did you know that kids can go to school for free as long as they maintain a B average? I call that progressive

edited to add, by free school I mean go to college for free

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 12:07:42 AM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.


My friend teaches in Georgia, and they have a wonderful school system there. Did you know that kids can go to school for free as long as they maintain a B average? I call that progressive

edited to add, by free school I mean go to college for free

Yep the Peach Program is pretty peachy.  Yet they also have to maintain the B average in college too (not an easy thing to do).  It only applies to state colleges and universities though.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 3:44:19 AM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.
There's something wrong with that study.

My friend teaches in Georgia, and they have a wonderful school system there. Did you know that kids can go to school for free as long as they maintain a B average? I call that progressive
edited to add, by free school I mean go to college for free

One possible explanation is that there's not many B average students.
Only suggestin' !

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 3:54:31 AM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.


ahhh shucks, just last year, when we learned to read that thar catalog from sears and roebuck, we found out we could use it to order indoor plumbin and get a bathroom inside that house!  can ya believe it? and we was just using that that catalog to wipe our asses in tha outhouse all these years.

literacy is gud.

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 3:58:31 AM   
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Atlanta is more literate than Boston?  Puh-leazze.

There's something wrong with that study.


My friend teaches in Georgia, and they have a wonderful school system there. Did you know that kids can go to school for free as long as they maintain a B average? I call that progressive

edited to add, by free school I mean go to college for free

Yep the Peach Program is pretty peachy.  Yet they also have to maintain the B average in college too (not an easy thing to do).  It only applies to state colleges and universities though.

Z-


and high school drop outs, i think only ga natives, that got a ged can test and also use they hope scholarships to go back to school.  i have a couple of cousins that have done so.

what amazes me is the number of folks who voted against the lottery, swore it was started by satan him self, but they dont mind their kids using these funds, which are totally lottery funded, to go to school.

lottery also funds technology in schools.  the one i work at got all new puters a month or so ago......


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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 4:04:51 AM   
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Because I know both cities.  Boston is one of the most literate cities on earth.  Atlanta...is not.


I don't think you do know them.  I have been to both cities in the last ten years.  I'd take Atlanta over Boston any day.  Boston and most northeast cities are losing population and are decaying.  The South and the Southwest are growing rapidly, and our education systems are growing with it.  The northeast and the Rust Belt are in a mess, and I don't know how they are going to pull themselves out of it. 

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 4:16:27 AM   
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Well, ifn yall was a bit more literate mayhap youda seen this here part "six key indicators to rank literacy. These included newspaper circulation, number of bookstores, library resources, periodical publishing resources, educational attainment and Internet resources. " Mayhap youda even clicked on that linky thing and found out that "Atlanta and Boston took the lead spots in the Internet resources category."

Course I couldn't do that. I'm from Dallas. We didn't even make the list.

What the hells a libary anyway?

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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 4:22:10 AM   
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Well, ifn yall was a bit more literate mayhap youda seen this here part "six key indicators to rank literacy. These included newspaper circulation, number of bookstores, library resources, periodical publishing resources, educational attainment and Internet resources. " Mayhap youda even clicked on that linky thing and found out that "Atlanta and Boston took the lead spots in the Internet resources category."

Course I couldn't do that. I'm from Dallas. We didn't even make the list.

What the hells a libary anyway?


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RE: Most literate U.S. cities - 12/28/2007 4:27:44 AM   
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