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Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 5:40:11 AM   
CatWhoWalksAlone


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Status: offline 		I've read Robert Rubel, I've read Screw the Roses, The Loving Dominant, The Control Book, and The Ethical Slut (and long ago I read "Loving More" and will eventually add that to my library, but not right now). As I am more and more identifying as "slave" I am interested in finding out about D/s and more specifically M/s relationships. If I could get 2... only 2... books.... at this moment what would you suggest? Right now I'm looking at "SlaveCraft" by Guy Baldwin, Rinella's "Becoming a Slave" and "Erotic Slavehood" by Abnernathy, which is a compendum of 2 of her books. But I thought I would see if anyone had any specific recommendations? :)

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 5:46:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Abernathy books are good if you want to do some self exploration to figure out what you want and what you are suitable for. However to get that benefit you have to go through the process and that will take at least three months if not more as you explore each step. I use it when I train myself. So in terms of active usefulness, this is a good choice but you have to put the time and effort in.

The other two books you mention are more philosophical with some personal experience tossed in.

I'd start with the Abernathy myself and afterwards read Rinella then Baldwin. Don't read them as you work through the Abernathy book cause it will have you doing a lot reading, writing, and thinking as well as taking at least one class if you follow it step by step. Don't worry, not a college course (unless that's what you want) but a taste of how active erotic slaves need to be always adding to their skill sets.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 5:56:42 AM   
CatWhoWalksAlone


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Status: offline 		tammyjo, thank you SO much! I actually have your reviews bookmarked on amazon, they are extremely helpful and I've added a number of books to my Wishlist based on your insights, but there are so many, having to choose which to come next became the predominant question, lol. Frankly, as one who enjoys working through and writing exercises etc (one one spectacular day with Rubel's "Protocols" I think I wrote 6... SIX!... journal entries! LOL), the Abernathy book sounds EXACTLY what I'm looking for, also given where I am as far as self-exploration. Plus that should take me up to about March, when I hope to do Master Taino's female slave training course :) 

Keeping busy with reading and working through things is GOOD... sitting here with too many thoughts and emotions and no constructive forward action is BAD. I've been on the verge of walking away from the whole lifestyle for the last couple weeks. Time to get back on track and take positive action :)

Again, thank you! :)

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 1:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are some books listed in my signature.

Don't forget the value of non-lifestyle books, too. Any thing that makes a better person makes you a better slave.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 2:43:21 PM   
CatWhoWalksAlone


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Status: offline 		MasterFireMaam, that's where I found "SlaveCraft" and put it on my short list :) :) Due to amazon's discounts, I was actually able to get that, the Abernathy book and a new novel by Anne McCaffrey, and with the free shipping, still stayed under budget :) :) They should be shipping Jan 2nd... plenty of time for me to get the house clean and some other projects done before diving into the next major reading projects (and resultant growing pains, ugh!)  :)

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 3:21:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ones you mention are a good start. The only books I'd say you should avoid are those written by a guy named John Norman. Total and utter crap! Mostly he wrote 5th rate sword and socery pulp, but he did also pump out a smelly little "manual" that, among other things, suggests a Dom should clap his hands, and the sub pretend as though they'd been struck. <er>  A total waste of time!

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 3:35:17 PM   
CatWhoWalksAlone


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Status: offline 		Actually, I read ALL the Gor books as a teenager (or at least, as many were published back in the mid 70's) and found them quite.... er... hot <blushing>

However, not quite what I'm looking for these days :)  ...though I do number some Goreans amongst my friends :)

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The ones you mention are a good start. The only books I'd say you should avoid are those written by a guy named John Norman.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 5:26:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have found The Marketplace Series by Laura Antoniou to be good reading. There are aspects of the set that could very well apply in real life such as as the basic training aspects of the slaves in the market place as well as the doms and assorted other aspects..To me they are worth the investment and a good read.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 7:28:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I myself have fiction published, when someone is looking for real life information I steer them clear of fiction.

It can be fun but it can't replace the advice of folks who really do BDSM in their meatlives.

In terms of publishers, I'd recommend Greenery Press first and foremost.

If you want a nice fantasy, yeah, Laurie's books are great, but I think to get a firm grip on what you like and want and an idea of what you might be looking for, focus on the non-fiction. Use the fiction as a reward.

Just my incredibly biased opinion.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/28/2007 9:41:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anne Rice books :) great fiction :)
fun to read :)

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/29/2007 1:27:43 PM   
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In terms of publishers, I'd recommend Greenery Press first and foremost.



Yeah, realize, in this era of self publishing and variations of that process, you should make sure the publisher has a track record. I've found some great self-published books on BDSM, but generally speaking if the book is not published by a trusted publisher, you can't be sure of the quality.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/29/2007 1:44:19 PM   
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In terms of publishers, I'd recommend Greenery Press first and foremost.



Yeah, realize, in this era of self publishing and variations of that process, you should make sure the publisher has a track record. I've found some great self-published books on BDSM, but generally speaking if the book is not published by a trusted publisher, you can't be sure of the quality.


Do you know who owns and operates Greenery Press?

Is this a joke?

(looks around expecting someone to pop out of a cake or hand her balloons)

Janet Hardy is a well respected BDSM activist who has been doing all of this for a hell of a lot longer than I have. She takes great care to choose authors who understand and practice what they write about.

It boggles my mind that someone would not know about Greenery Press.

The next thing I'll read is that folks don't know who Larry Townsend is or who Geoffery Mains is or who Pat Califia is....

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/29/2007 1:51:04 PM   
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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/29/2007 1:56:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		TheTammyjo, I think you misread my post completely. I was quoting your recommendation of Greenery as an example of a quality publisher. Read back. :)

LOL...understand yet? 

Let me add, Janet Hardy was a writer for the San Franciso Chronicle before. No one is questioning Greenery's qualifications.

Edited to add these are books by Greenery Press:
  • Jay Wiseman, SM 101: A Realistic Introduction, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 0-9639763-8-9.
  • Jay Wiseman, Jay Wiseman's Erotic Bondage Handbook, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-13-1.
  • Dossie Easton, Catherine A. Liszt, When Someone You Love Is Kinky, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-23-9.
  • Dossie Easton, Janet W. Hardy, The New Topping Book. Greenery Press, 2003. ISBN 1-890159-36-0.
  • Dossie Easton, Janet W. Hardy, The New Bottoming Book. Greenery Press, 2001. ISBN 1-890159-35-2.
  • Midori, The Seductive Art of Japanese Bondage, Greenery Press, 2001. ISBN 1-890159-38-7.
  • Lorelei, The Mistress Manual: The Good Girl's Guide to Female Dominance, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-19-0.
  • John Warren, The Loving Dominant, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-20-4.
  • Andrew Conway, The Bullwhip Book, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-18-2.
  • Joseph W. Bean, Flogging, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-27-1.
  • M. R. Strict, Intimate Invasion: The Erotic Ins & Outs of Enema Play, Greenery Press, 2004. ISBN 1-890159-51-4.
  • Lady Green, The Compleat Spanker, Greenery Press, 2000. ISBN 1-890159-00-X.
  • Charles Anders, The Lazy Crossdresser, Greenery Press, 2002. ISBN 1-890159-37-9.


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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/30/2007 6:09:18 AM   
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TheTammyjo, I think you misread my post completely. I was quoting your recommendation of Greenery as an example of a quality publisher. Read back. :)

LOL...understand yet?




*looks sheepish*

I'm so sorry.

I was just so surprised that I clearly didn't understand the "yeah" part of your post.

It is increasingly common for folks to have zero clue about the history of this subculture that I read it that way.

Sometimes I feel so freaking old (I'm only 38 but I have been purposely doing BDSM for 18 years) because people blink blankly when I mention some of the seminal authors of the subculture. Of course, I'm inclined toward that myself but geesh it's not like I'm asking people to debate whether or not late Victorian brothels are the beginning to het BDSM or if Roman images of drinking parties would qualify as SM, I'm only talking about the last four decades.

That's my pet peeve obviously. Clearly I interpreted your post that way.

Sorry again.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/30/2007 8:37:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		TammyJo, that's perfectly okay and to be fair I think I know where the confusion came from. In the past I've told potential authors to be careful about publishers, because I have seen them ripped off. That was probably in your mind and you associated me quoting you about Greenery as a negative thing, although my intent was to say they are one of the reliable ones. I enjoy your thoughts and posts always.

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RE: Books on M/s and D/s - 12/30/2007 2:15:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about He's On Top or She's On Top by Rachel Kramer Bussel? I've read them both and in fact, donated both of these books to a local munch group's lending library. Btw, you can get them from Borders and Waldenbooks.

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