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Power and Security - 12/28/2007 6:34:05 AM   
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On a vanilla blog, a friend of mine recently posted something to the effect of this... at the heart of men's problems is power and at the heart of women's problems is security.

Broad statements like that generally make me cringe. But on a personal level -- especially in my marriage and our newly explored kinks -- it has a ring of truth.

So I'm wondering what others think about it. I'm especially -- but not only -- interested in hearing from female D-types, male s-types, and anyone who identifies as gender queer (in other words, non-traditional orientations).

[edited to fix a glaring typo]


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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 7:12:02 AM   
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at the heart of men's problems is power and at the heart of women's problems is security.



I think that is half right.  The heart of women's problems is security, but the heart of men's problems is women.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 7:41:45 AM   
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Tangentally speaking, women and men define risk differently. Men take short term risks such as mountain climbing. A woman takes a 20 year risk, the time involved in rearing offspring. When viewed through this lens, many things become more clear.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 7:46:10 AM   
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Well it is like a cliche, (lol don't know how to do that apostrophe thingy at the end.) sounds cheesy as hell, but has a few grains of truth.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 8:37:02 AM   
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I wouldn't call either of them a "problem" for me so I guess I would need clarification from you on the subject.

I cannot take "short term risks" because I have a 6 year old um.  But having this little person does not make me look for partners that are "secure" as I am the one who is responsible for providing that.  I have no issues with power because it is mine.

I guess I'm confused on the use of the word "problem" as I don't see either issue as a problem.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 8:38:22 AM   
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Well it is like a cliche, (lol don't know how to do that apostrophe thingy at the end.) sounds cheesy as hell, but has a few grains of truth.


That apostrophe thingy is the one on the key to the left of the number one on a regular keyboard   (cliche`)


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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 8:51:22 AM   
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That apostrophe thingy is the one on the key to the left of the number one on a regular keyboard   (cliche`)



I think she was more likely looking for an e with an accent aigu (é) as in cliché.  I find cutting and pasting to be the easiest way to replicate the character, but you can also get it by holding down the Alt key and typing 130 on your keypad.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 9:17:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: barefootgal

On a vanilla blog, a friend of mine recently posted something to the effect of this... at the heart of men's problems is power and at the heart of women's problems is security.

Broad statements like that generally make me cringe. But on a personal level -- especially in my marriage and our newly explored kinks -- it has a ring of truth.

So I'm wondering what others think about it. I'm especially -- but not only -- interested in hearing from female D-types, male s-types, and anyone who identifies as gender queer (in other words, non-traditional orientations).

[edited to fix a glaring typo]



If we are going to try to squeeze the complexity of human behaviors and interactions into a nutshell, those are some pretty apt ones.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 9:54:10 AM   
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Or, if you have a Mac, just type option-e, then e again = é. Macs rule! (well 5% of the market anyway). But I digress.

To the OP. Interesting statement from a vanilla. Way too generic a statement to be taken as anything more than a topic of discussion. My two cents, the heart of the problems for both sexes is desire. What those desires are, of course, differ from person to person. And yet, desire can also be the solution to people's problems. It's all about the attitude one takes.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 10:25:19 AM   
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To clarify, although not much... he was discussing stress and postulating that stress in men is caused by issues that (when distilled down to their barest essence) involve power; in women - security.

I presume then, this would include either fear of having power/security or fear of losing power/security as being stressful. But why one vs. the other specific to men/women... what makes that inherent? (if you agree with the hypothesis)











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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 10:26:30 AM   
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To the OP. Interesting statement from a vanilla. Way too generic a statement to be taken as anything more than a topic of discussion. My two cents, the heart of the problems for both sexes is desire. What those desires are, of course, differ from person to person. And yet, desire can also be the solution to people's problems. It's all about the attitude one takes.


A very interesting thought, thank you.

So does what we desire distill down to power and/or security?

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 10:31:20 AM   
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But why one vs. the other specific to men/women... what makes that inherent?


Evolution.  Women need security because it ensures their children will have a better chance to grow to physical maturity, thereby passing on their genetic code.  Men need women for the same reason. 

I imagine that you friend postulates that men need power because having power is one rather effective way of attracting women. 

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 11:10:28 AM   
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A few years ago, I was an independent single woman ready to start a career. Instead, I started a family, and I have been struggling with problems of power ever since. I HATE being dependent on my husband, even though he's a pretty good guy most of the time. I would rather live at an extremely low standard of living than allow anyone else to control me or take away my ability to set priorities and make decisions. (D/s is a different story. . .)

I am female, and I'd definitely say that Power has been one of the central conflicts of my life. Perhaps security would be more of a concern if I had ever been homeless or in poverty. . .I'm not sure. Instead, what I have learned is that there are plenty of people, even well meaning people, who are willing to offer security in exchange for some amount of control. Ever wonder why so many homeless people don't take advantage of shelters? Shelters have curfews, and some of them require residents to attend church services of some kind, or some other "small" requirement. It doesn't sound like that much to suck up and deal with if you are homeless in the winter time, but the exercise of power never does seem that intrusive to those who have it; they always think the simple things they ask are for people's own good. But those on the powerless side of the equation feel it keenly, and resent it. They are very aware that they are surrendering some control of their lives in order for someone else to give them some security, and it really sucks.

My childhood and young adulthood was a constant power struggle. As I got older, my parents tried to use all the things they provided for me as leverage to influence my behavior. I ended up systematically eliminating all of those things, and accepting that it might mean I had to make some cuts. I had a girlfriend in college whose parents threatened not to cosign her student loans if she didn't do what they wanted(be more discreet and proper about her support for feminist and lgbt causes). She dropped out of school for a year, then went back on her own terms without their help. I was very very proud of her for sticking to her principles.

It seems very clear to me that all regular social interaction is full of this kind of power exchange, whether subtle or overt. My fascination with power exchange is one of the things that drew me to this lifestyle in the first place. At least here the power exchange involved is explicit and contractual!

For me, much of life is about power and control. I realize that I am very unique among females in seeing things this way, and that it seems a very cynical way to view the world. When I start talking about, or pointing out these power dynamics to other people, they often find it disturbing.

So, to answer the question, I very clearly do not fall into the "norm" of the OP's statement. My problems are all about power.

PS: My profile will tell you I'm a libertarian. Everyone should be very very proud of me for keeping this post close to home and not ranting about politics, government, and power. Seriously. I deserve cookies for being good! Give me cookies!

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 11:22:20 AM   
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I see a lot of people who want more power in their lives and security, gender doesn't seem to be an issue. I work with mainly men and many of them are insecure, I've got some women working for me who are struggling for some power in their lives. I think it just depends upon the individual and their unique needs.

Personally I have all the power that I need and I have security. But if I had neither, usually with power comes security and that is what I would go for.

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 11:24:10 AM   
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Seriously. I deserve cookies for being good! Give me cookies!


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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 11:48:21 AM   
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PS: My profile will tell you I'm a libertarian. Everyone should be very very proud of me for keeping this post close to home and not ranting about politics, government, and power. Seriously. I deserve cookies for being good! Give me cookies!


No need to rant... it was all going through my head on it's own while I was reading your post... "hey, stupid, she's talking about civil liberties here".

I gotta give cookies to a woman who can rant between the lines!


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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 11:58:27 AM   
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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Cookies, deserve neither Liberty nor Cookies." - Mrs Fields




"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equally deserving of cookies, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness by eating cookies. — That to secure the right to cookies, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed who eat cookies, — That whenever any Form of Government fails to provide cookies, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to provide the best cookies." - The Declaration of Independence, Cookie Monster remix.


It should also be stated for the record that I am pregnant. Giving cookies to pregnant women gets you an extra virgin in heaven. Refusing to give cookies to pregnant women gets you. . .well, just. . .RUN!

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 12:04:41 PM   
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quote:

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PS: My profile will tell you I'm a libertarian. Everyone should be very very proud of me for keeping this post close to home and not ranting about politics, government, and power. Seriously. I deserve cookies for being good! Give me cookies!


No need to rant... it was all going through my head on it's own while I was reading your post... "hey, stupid, she's talking about civil liberties here".

I gotta give cookies to a woman who can rant between the lines!



Heh. Most people aren't all that complimentary about the not so subtle political messages they find between my lines. They accuse me of ramming my principles down their throats. . .I guess it's a valid point most of the time.

I'd consider changing my behavior, but people like you keep positively reinforcing me by giving me cookies ;)

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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 12:32:09 PM   
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Giving cookies to pregnant women gets you an extra virgin in heaven.


I am not sure I would even know what to do with a virgin...can I have an extra slut?  Or maybe a pregnant one. *wink*


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RE: Power and Security - 12/28/2007 12:35:37 PM   
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I'd consider changing my behavior, but people like you keep positively reinforcing me by giving me cookies ;)


Proud to be a cookie-giving, discourse-loving, positive-reinforcing, toe-wiggling "people like me"!



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