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RE: The Wonderful World Of Government Healthcare - 1/3/2008 10:56:12 AM

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What about those people who are unemployed and do not qualify for public aid? Wait, under your concept there would be no public aid. So okay, what about those that are unemployed?
Not every person can work. I worked full time for 10 years then had to go part time and eventually lost my job because I could not work. I still cannot work and I do not qualify for any help. So the people like me should just suck it up or give up?
In Michigan alone the employment rate is awful.

Addressing the last part first, to paraphrase my favorite comic Sam Kinison and his reference to the starving Ethiopians - "MOVE! You live in a desert! It's been a desert for a long time! It will always be a desert. Instead of sending money to the refugees we should be sending moving vans!"

Meanwhile lets work the numbers. I'll use someone else's reported number that currently 40,000,000 Americans lack any health coverage. I'll use that. Another number to employ is the unemployment rate. As of 1/1/08 it's reported at 4.70%. (Verify here if you'd like: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/biz/ratechart.asp ) Using the ENTIRE population of 300 Million overstates the number because not every citizen is of working age, but lets use it anyway. The result in 1.4 million "unemployed".

Making mandatory coverage a part of employment and all of a sudden 38.6 Million more people would be insured. More important to the economics of the issue. 38.6 Million more people would have insurance premiums paid, generating $46.3 Trillion in money going to health care without one penny coming from tax dollars. The potential of all that money going to health insurance companies must make a man like John Edwards salivate at the potential litigation settlements. However, at least a few extra dollars will go to actual health care.

In the process, the existing bureaucracy won't go away. However it will be better able to cast a wider net to support people such as yourself than it does now. Hospitals and emergency wards would not be the "clinic of the poor" that they have to be now.

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RE: The Wonderful World Of Government Healthcare - 1/3/2008 10:58:19 AM

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The original press release does not indicate the full reasons why there are allegedly problems in the UK. Blair, in his strive for fame, decided to devolve the health service. The result is a split system, each of the four nations can chose how to run its own service.

As for the report mentioned in the OP. Please noe, it says this is what could happen. Not what is happening. Take treating yourself at home for things like asthma. i am doing this now, i have a program of things i should or should not eat. I see an asthma nurse for check ups and can still visit the Doctor whenever i want.

Last time there was a debate on healthcare here, i mentioned that 18 pc of the health tourists visiting the UK were American.... Anyone who thinks the NHS is broken care to get back to me on that ?

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RE: The Wonderful World Of Government Healthcare - 1/3/2008 11:11:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Meanwhile lets work the numbers. I'll use someone else's reported number that currently 40,000,000 Americans lack any health coverage. I'll use that. Another number to employ is the unemployment rate. As of 1/1/08 it's reported at 4.70%. (Verify here if you'd like: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/biz/ratechart.asp ) Using the ENTIRE population of 300 Million overstates the number because not every citizen is of working age, but lets use it anyway. The result in 1.4 million "unemployed".

Surely thats 14 Million ?

Just a note on our health service, it isnt free if your working, as a percentage of your wage is paid straight into a fund. Hardly a nanny state.

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RE: The Wonderful World Of Government Healthcare - 1/3/2008 11:23:01 AM

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Surely thats 14 Million ?

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I should know by now not to trust myself without a calculator.

Thanks for correcting my number.

Yes it is 14 Million, to be covered with $46.3 Trillion added to the pot. I'd accept the Lee Iaccoca compensation program and manage the program for $1/year if allowed to retain all the excess.

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RE: The Wonderful World Of Government Healthcare - 1/3/2008 1:46:17 PM

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Merc

You're right to complain about the education system in this country if you're a product of it. Better get out your calculator- If you're using the assumption that 38 million folks at $1200 a year worth of premiums are going to generate $46 billion- not trillion dollars, that might make a bit more sense. But it also shows that in comparison with the Iraq war- it'd be pretty trivial to cover everybody.

Your cavalier suggestion to Camille is duly noted but consider that she might do worse without her existing support network, and in this day an age, if she's employable at all, it might be from home- which means that where you live doesn't matter.

Also in terms of your suggestion about moving- how about people who's existing health coverage isn't transportable?

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