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sodsta -> The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 9:02:56 PM)

So... The Other World Kingdom... what do you guys think?

My female friend is of the opinion that, despite being labelled a place of Female Supremacy, The Other World Kingdom seems much more catered to submissive men than it is to Dominant women. I thought that was an interesting way of looking at it. I was curious to know whether you agreed or not?





SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 9:19:57 PM)

Some friends of mine went there on their honeymoon, as part of a larger trip to Czech, and they loved it. She's still very inexperienced in her exploration and it was fairly intimidating to her at first, but she was able to relax and have fun. It's definitely more geared to sub/single men, but they loved having a couple there. Usually I guess you pay the Mistresses as a single man on an hourly basis or something along those lines where the house Mistresses loved playing with them and did it without additional cost. 



ElanSubdued -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 9:25:32 PM)

Sodsta,

You want an honest opinion?  I think OWK is a pay site / resort designed to bilk middle aged, wealthy businessmen of their money.  Read through some of the judicial systems and taxes/fees they have.  It's fantasy wanker material and very expensive if one wants to participate.  And gee, you gotta' wonder why every picture features hot young women in bondage gear doing kinky play on men two to three times their age.  I don't take this place seriously at all.  It's just a fancy pro-domme site.  If that's what you're looking for, great, but if you want insight into BDSM and power exchange relationships (or even just a kink-friendly place to get away as a couple), I don't think this is the place.

Elan.



undergroundsea -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 9:29:21 PM)

I think the answer depends on how one sees OWK: a place that reflects one's philosophy or model for a long-term relationship, or as a commercial place that allows a fantasy atmosphere.

I see it more to be the latter. To that extent this notion holds, I see it to carry appeal for both women and men, and know it to attract interest of women. I do not know what type of statistical comparison might exist about its appeal to men versus to women.

Cheers,

Sea



AAkasha -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 9:49:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sodsta

So... The Other World Kingdom... what do you guys think?

My female friend is of the opinion that, despite being labelled a place of Female Supremacy, The Other World Kingdom seems much more catered to submissive men than it is to Dominant women. I thought that was an interesting way of looking at it. I was curious to know whether you agreed or not?





I would have to agree.  I mean, look at the thread we femdoms had about what "a submissive lapdance" would look like, or how we like submissive men to carry themselves.  What you see at OWK is pulled directly from femdom porn, written for men, by men. If you had a truly "female dominated" place, the women wouldn't be catering so much to what the submissive men want. 

I suppose a real OWK would be run by independently wealthy women with harems of hot men with oiled bodies running around giving foot massages, "lap dances" and providing entertainment.

Akasha



SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 9:54:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I suppose a real OWK would be run by independently wealthy women with harems of hot men with oiled bodies running around giving foot massages, "lap dances" and providing entertainment.

Akasha



Where do I sign up?

Obviously the place is a business first and foremost, so there is always going to be catering to the target demo. That certainly dashes my fantasy of woman lounging around in leather and heels all day if they infact had an independant 'country' of their own.



ShaktiSama -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 10:12:31 PM)

You can tell who has the most power in any interaction between human beings by who's wearing the most comfortable shoes.  [:D]

Seriously, I absolutely agree with your friend.  I have yet to see a Female Supremacy group or site which was not the femme domme equivalent of the Gor claptrap.  It may appeal to some women and many men as a sexual fantasy, but none of these women are bending their efforts toward achieving political power or social change in any meaningful way.  They don't harness manpower to make themselves captains of industry, political leaders or clerics of a new religion.  The only supremacy you ever see is very limited, safely sexual, and usually being practiced on men who are nice and anonymous.  These guys will go straight back to being tyrannical little patriarchs as soon as they put their street clothes back on.

It's like that Elise Sutton crap, where people imagine that all feminine power should derive solely from being some man's cliched sexual fantasy.  As if powerful women want nothing more from life than to be leather-clad hausfrauen who don't do their own windows...ugh.  [:'(]

Anyway.  Sites and clubs like this exist for one reason:  to part submissive men from their money.  In this respect it's no different from many other cultural spaces which open when the unmet needs of women (which are mostly economic) meet the unmet needs of men (which are mostly emotional and sexual).  Pro domination, prostitution and pornography all allow men to enjoy submissive fantasies without actually having to disrupt the status quo of our society.  A few women scrape a few dollars and a few cheap thrills off the barrelhead, but nothing really changes for women generally--they remain second-class citizens oppressed by massive structural violence.

The pictures on the site say it all.  If you look at the majority of "femme domme" fantasy images in porn, they're very phallocentric and focused on the emotions and needs of the man in the scenario.  Photographs and films tend to be shot from the male viewpoint, for the entertainment of a submissive male.  The woman in the scene is only an object; she exists to fill out the corset and perform like an automaton.  A Stepford Domme.

This site is no different.  A picture is worth a thousand words!  These photos are all about male submissive needs and grandiose fantasies.  They posit a world of Female Supremacy full of UBER POWER WIMMENS who...somehow have nothing better to do than hang around in fetish gear all day playing with someone's dick.  [:D]

Wow...what power they have!  Maybe if they all put some frickin' clothes on and spent a few years in training, the Other World Kingdom could muster an army big enough to threaten the munchkins in neighboring Oz.



ElanSubdued -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 11:33:08 PM)

ShaktiSama,

quote:

I have yet to see a Female Supremacy group or site which was not the femme domme equivalent of the Gor claptrap.  It may appeal to some women and many men as a sexual fantasy, but none of these women are bending their efforts toward achieving political power or social change in any meaningful way.  They don't harness manpower to make themselves captains of industry, political leaders or clerics of a new religion.  The only supremacy you ever see is very limited, safely sexual, and usually being practiced on men who are nice and anonymous.  These guys will go straight back to being tyrannical little patriarchs as soon as they put their street clothes back on.

(snip)

Anyway.  Sites and clubs like this exist for one reason:  to part submissive men from their money.  In this respect it's no different from many other cultural spaces which open when the unmet needs of women (which are mostly economic) meet the unmet needs of men (which are mostly emotional and sexual).  Pro domination, prostitution and pornography all allow men to enjoy submissive fantasies without actually having to disrupt the status quo of our society.  A few women scrape a few dollars and a few cheap thrills off the barrelhead, but nothing really changes for women generally--they remain second-class citizens oppressed by massive structural violence.


Ding. :-)  This is pretty much my take on OWK.  You filled in some of the details I left out.  It has been a while since I last visited the site so I'd forgotten the new world order, female supremacy, political revolution doctrine they purport to espouse.  Still, when you get right down to it, as you said, it's all just claptrap.  I meant no disrespect to professional dominants in my post above and I mean no disrespect here.  That said, I see OWK as nothing more than a resort run by professional dominants.  And yes, as far as I can tell, it caters primarily to the fantasies of submissive men.

quote:

This site is no different.  A picture is worth a thousand words!  These photos are all about male submissive needs and grandiose fantasies.  They posit a world of Female Supremacy full of UBER POWER WIMMENS who... somehow have nothing better to do than hang around in fetish gear all day playing with someone's dick.

Wow... what power they have!  Maybe if they all put some frickin' clothes on and spent a few years in training, the Other World Kingdom could muster an army big enough to threaten the munchkins in neighboring Oz.


I had to quote this too.  Way too funny.  Thanks for the vision and the laugh. :-)

Elan.



needDomme -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/3/2008 11:47:58 PM)

Yes, I agree. Your points are way too logical not to be true.

need



LadyEllen -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 3:00:13 AM)

Let me start by saying that I have no agenda to defend the OWK - they dont allow the likes of me through the doors after all.

However, my friend and her husband have spent a week there as part of a party from the UK Femdom Society (which is a lifestyle organisation incidentally, catering mainly for couples), and they both enjoyed themselves. The place is for single submissive men certainly, but its also equally for couples and single women.

Yes, its a commercial operation - such a place could not operate absent regular income or a very wealthy benefactor. But to deride it for making charges or being commercial is plain silly in a world where everything is organised by commercial methods out of necessity. There being a large demand from single submissive men with disposable income, it makes sense to concentrate the marketing effort on this group and not advertise so much the fact that the OWK is also open to single dominant women and indeed to couples as a resort - which last two groups are fewer in number as we all know from this site alone.

Take it for what it is - or leave it for what it is, but this sniping at OWK (and pro-dommes too, as we get here from time to time) is just silly as well as ill informed.

E



TNstepsout -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 5:15:47 AM)

Well it looks like the FemDomme BDSM version of the Magical Kingdom. Nothing wrong there, it looks like a lot of fun. Of course it doesn't really appear to have much to do with real female suprmacy, in much the same way that Universal Studios has nothing to do with making movies. They sure have a lot of cool gear and sets and it looks like a place one could have a fantastic fantasy weekend.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 7:16:27 AM)

I have never been to the OWK, but based on reports from friends who have, it is kind of a fantasy park for femdoms, if your fantasies run in a certain direction.  They are also very harsh to those they play with, which I think matches a lot of porn fantasies.  My former slave wanted to go there, but it's just not my trip.  There are folks on these boards who have been, maybe they will share their personal experiences.



rhpaw -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 8:05:21 AM)

It's an eye candy monthly subscription site for male subs .



ShaktiSama -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 8:36:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Yes, its a commercial operation - such a place could not operate absent regular income or a very wealthy benefactor. But to deride it for making charges or being commercial is plain silly in a world where everything is organised by commercial methods out of necessity.

Take it for what it is - or leave it for what it is, but this sniping at OWK (and pro-dommes too, as we get here from time to time) is just silly as well as ill informed.


I disagree completely.  My objections to OWK are neither silly nor ill-informed.  Nor are they grounded in any dislike or disdain for any form of prostitution, nor of pro domination as social or economic phenomena.

What I dislike about OWK, and other sites/groups which exploit a fantasy they call "Female Supremacy", is that I consider them belittling and demeaning to women.  They exploit the rhetoric of a desperately needed revolution of human thought and behavior for the sake of a pathetic little wankfest.  This vision of political power and social change in favor of female dominance is unbelievably insulting and trivializing.

There is a very real, very serious need for social and political change on this planet.  There is a very real, very serious need for women to seize and exercise more power and more responsibility in every aspect of human existence--in politics, in the workplace, in the arts and sciences, in public life and in the family. 

Yes, the need for social acceptance and naturalization of female dominance and male submission in the bedroom is certainly part of that equation.  But it is a VERY, VERY, VERY small part of all the social and political changes that need to be made before this species begins to even approach equality for the sexes, much less female dominance.

Sites like this have very powerful, very negative implications about the ability of women to exercise meaningful power in the world.  Even the phallocentricity of the sexual fantasy is fairly offensive, in the context in which it is presented.  I take the liberation and empowerment of women seriously enough that I find it deeply, profoundly irritating when any man nods eagerly and says, "Yes!  I agree!  I think you women should have a lot more power!  Over my cock!"



littlesarbonn -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 8:59:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama



There is a very real, very serious need for social and political change on this planet.  There is a very real, very serious need for women to seize and exercise more power and more responsibility in every aspect of human existence--in politics, in the workplace, in the arts and sciences, in public life and in the family. 




But it's just not happening. Knowing that a change is needed is a lot different than actually working to make change happen. For the most part, women are in competition with men who have entrenched themselves in a power base AND with women who don't seem to have a problem with it. It's the latter force of nature that needs attention because as long as that demographic remains silent and complacent, no amount of desire and advocacy for change is ever really going to happen.

Places like OWK might not be the answer, but at least they draw somewhat of some attention of a different nature than patriarchy is all that there is. Sometimes major movements require little steps.

And going one argument further, everyone here knows I'm a female supremacist, and I've been flamed over it so many times I lost count, but I don't agree anymore that things are just going to get better if "seize and exercise more power and more responsibility in every aspect of human existence--in politics, in the workplace, in the arts and sciences, in public life and in the family". I used to think that, but I don't anymore because essentialist feminism is stuck in a quagmire of trying to change the paradigm by changing the actors, not the problem. The problem I perceive has nothing to do with gender but with the wrong types of people who are attracted to power. The power-seeking and greedy are the ones normally attracted to our economic power bases, and it doesn't matter if they're male or female; the same problems are going to keep happening mainly because THOSE are the types of people who desire power. Idealists rather than ideologists are the ones we should be working for in placing in power, but we don't. Instead, we feed ourselves a belief that a simple solution, like more women in power, will make the difference that an even bigger change requires.

And this is coming from a female supremacist, not from the opposite direction.



LadyEllen -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 9:22:25 AM)

I see your point ShaktiSama - but whatever social and political progress is made, it will ever remain the case that some men will submit sexually, some women will like this and other women will exploit it financially.

I really dont see any serious social or political implications of catering to male fantasies for money that are not also present where no exchange of money takes place. And whether we like it or not, we do cater to male fantasies, whether that be overtly by design - or coincidentally to our own fantasies, even if we think we're simply fulfilling ourselves only. The male mind can fetishize and fantasise about anything and everything!

This is all fantasy and I would hope that no one would ever propose that it would be desirable to have women running things exclusively, just as it has not proven desirable to have men exclusively in authority. OWK is merely exploiting what is natural and innate to us and whilst we could imply political and social messages, they are actually nothing more than part of a fantasy.

Above all I dont believe the key to the social and political progress which is needed is to treat commercial fantasies like this as anything more, because then we risk demonstrating the same anti-male agenda which took the steam out of feminism in the 70s - far more damaging to the cause than women charging men to live out their fantasies and pretending female supremacy is an actuality.

When OWK stands for election on their fantasy agenda I'll take it seriously. Except that I'll likely be laughing too much at the idea.

E



LadyEllen -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 9:37:34 AM)

Interesting ideas LS

But to my mind the goal is not to have every woman engaged in running a corporation or a country or whatever. The goal is to enable every woman to decide what she wants to do with her life and for her to be able to achieve that without restriction. Indeed I'd go further and include "every man" in that too - because men are just as affected as women by the expectations and restrictions of societal norms; observe the reaction when a man chooses to remain home with the children whilst his wife goes to work.

We must have equality of opportunity. We must have equality of access. We must do away with social restrictions on what is acceptable and what is not, what is expected and what is not, purely on the basis of gender - notwithstanding certain physiological matters perhaps!

And we must not fall into the trap of making it a fight, one against the other, of blaming everything on one side. In the end, men and women like each other - enough in many cases to live together and raise a family. And whilst we strive for equality of opportunity and equality of access we must remember that men and women are not equal in the sense that one is interchangeable with the other; the appeal of one for the other establishes this beyond doubt, we're different and will never be the same - but that it is equal treatment and expectation and aspiration and realisation that is the goal, in whichever directions we each choose.

E



ShaktiSama -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 9:38:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn
But it's just not happening.


I disagree.  It is happening.  The male of the species is fighting back tooth and nail, desperately trying to prevent it from happening, but it is happening nonetheless.

quote:

Places like OWK might not be the answer....


My argument is that places like OWK are not only NOT the answer, they are directly in opposition to the answer.  This isn't even relevant and germane female sexual dominance, in my opinion; it's just yet another way to force women to serve the emotional and sexual needs of men.

I think if you want to see relevant female sexual dominance, you would be far better spending your money to familiarize yourself with the content of Akasha's website, or the blogs and erotica written by many of the female posters here.  These are real women who have genuine, authentic, personal sexual and emotional needs to dominate.  Their struggles, their relationships, their feelings are the heart of female domination.

THEY are the answer.  Not this male-scripted, male-controlled bs.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 10:11:48 AM)

quote:

My argument is that places like OWK are not only NOT the answer, they are directly in opposition to the answer.  This isn't even relevant and germane female sexual dominance, in my opinion; it's just yet another way to force women to serve the emotional and sexual needs of men.

I think if you want to see relevant female sexual dominance, you would be far better spending your money to familiarize yourself with the content of Akasha's website, or the blogs and erotica written by many of the female posters here.  These are real women who have genuine, authentic, personal sexual and emotional needs to dominate.  Their struggles, their relationships, their feelings are the heart of female domination.

THEY are the answer.  Not this male-scripted, male-controlled bs.


I am a little confused by your posts here.  What answer are you looking for?  I understand you don't like the OWK.  I can't say that I find it all that appealing myself.  However, I think most rational men that enjoy it's materials understand that it is primarily geared toward producing pornography.  Only a fool would believe that there is some kink kingdom where women parade around all day wearing fetish attire, riding men, and having their boots licked.  That being said, of course it is geared towards men.  Men are the primary customers buying their material.  That's just simple capitalism; you cater to the wishes of your customer or someone else will.  I doubt very seriously if any of the women in those videos and photographs were forced to perform. 

I don't exactly see how they or any other pornographic materials are in opposition to feminism.  That's the tired old argument from the likes of Andrea Dworkin, and frankly it's ridiculous.  Women and men should be allowed to live their lives as they choose.  I think what bothers a lot of feminists of the Dworkin type ilk; is the fact that some women are not choosing to go along with their way of thinking.  You don't like something; so you make a decision for all women and men, that this is not in their best interests.  We are all free to enjoy what we enjoy, and I find it silly to blame a serious social problem like women's inequality on something trivial like pornography. 



AAkasha -> RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State (1/4/2008 10:36:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

My argument is that places like OWK are not only NOT the answer, they are directly in opposition to the answer.  This isn't even relevant and germane female sexual dominance, in my opinion; it's just yet another way to force women to serve the emotional and sexual needs of men.

I think if you want to see relevant female sexual dominance, you would be far better spending your money to familiarize yourself with the content of Akasha's website, or the blogs and erotica written by many of the female posters here.  These are real women who have genuine, authentic, personal sexual and emotional needs to dominate.  Their struggles, their relationships, their feelings are the heart of female domination.

THEY are the answer.  Not this male-scripted, male-controlled bs.


I am a little confused by your posts here.  What answer are you looking for?  I understand you don't like the OWK.  I can't say that I find it all that appealing myself.  However, I think most rational men that enjoy it's materials understand that it is primarily geared toward producing pornography.  Only a fool would believe that there is some kink kingdom where women parade around all day wearing fetish attire, riding men, and having their boots licked.  That being said, of course it is geared towards men.  Men are the primary customers buying their material.  That's just simple capitalism; you cater to the wishes of your customer or someone else will.  I doubt very seriously if any of the women in those videos and photographs were forced to perform. 

I don't exactly see how they or any other pornographic materials are in opposition to feminism.  That's the tired old argument from the likes of Andrea Dworkin, and frankly it's ridiculous.  Women and men should be allowed to live their lives as they choose.  I think what bothers a lot of feminists of the Dworkin type ilk; is the fact that some women are not choosing to go along with their way of thinking.  You don't like something; so you make a decision for all women and men, that this is not in their best interests.  We are all free to enjoy what we enjoy, and I find it silly to blame a serious social problem like women's inequality on something trivial like pornography. 


How many men who say they are female supremacists are only supportive of that so long as it makes them horny? C'mon -- you know how many guys email me and say "I am a true female supremacist, I believe in female supremacy with all of my heart," and then I tell them, "I'm actually not a female supremacist, so really we don't see eye to eye," and then they write back "Well, I'm not really one either...I thought that's what you wanted, Goddess."

Many, many men confused female supremacy with femininsm and female domination, which are all very different.  I think very few have any deep, passionate, political and social desires to adopt a female run society in a functional sense, they just like the idea in a fantasy sense. I think the further they got into the philosophical ideals of the political and social ramifications, they less time/desire they would have to think about their hot fantasies.

I am not a female supremacist or a feminist.

Akasha



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