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dawntreader -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:04:39 AM)
~FR~ Greetings Twice, For me, D/s will always be a symbiotic relationship ~ j

LordVelvet -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:06:16 AM)
dawn, What a great back tattoo. Sorry for the mini-hijack. LordVelvet

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:13:30 AM)
I would like to think we have evoled above monkieism but you know what can you say some people just cling to the thought of being a lower primate for some reason they just can not get the simple facts of life IN the we are all unto our selves what we see our selves to be Not what what the world thinks SO THAT BEING SAID if you think submission is a gift COOL IF you do not oh well who cares as long as you are happy and the person is happy with it ok who are we to rule your relationship as long as what you grows you and the person your with makes positive things cool beans go for it tell everyone else to kiss your ass lol

Mercnbeth -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:16:28 AM)
in answer to your question "do any of you offer the “gift” of your submission or domination without expecting that you will be dominated or submitted to in return?" No. this slave doesn't view her submission as a gift she offers to Master. it is a gift from the Great Architect to both of us. if someone is incredibly naturally skilled, talented or smart, often folks refer to them as having been "gifted" with that particular ability. this slave views the path she is on, her lifelong submissive journey, as a gift from her Creator, as well as the path she walks with Master as a gift from Him. often, gifts are chosen for giving with the person being gifted actually imagined as being able to use or admire and in some cases, appreciate the gift, but not necessarily an expectation of reciprocity. just a few spare thoughts about the term "gift".[:)]

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:28:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl if Daddy just suddenly stopped being Daddy, i would cease to exist as His daughter. there would be no point in continuing our relationship with Him. Ah, so your submission is not a "gift" per se, it is exchanged for his domination.

dawntreader -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:29:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LordVelvet dawn, What a great back tattoo. Sorry for the mini-hijack. LordVelvet Thankyou[:)]

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:31:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x And a huge thank you so much for your visits and I already miss you to both Mistoferin and Abraxus. LOL....now I'm "COMPANY"??? Miss you too, it's always just the best at your place and it doesn't get to happen nearly often enough. We really are going to have to do it again much sooner....but I have to have a talk with Scooter about binding your hands so someone else can get a shot at the dishes! Lol, no you are not exactly company. I never let company sleep and...er...well whatever else you were doing in my bed! Hey, i let you wash the dinner dishes once, and a couple of other times too! I promise when i visit you i will let you win the argument over the dishes(sometimes). Are you headed back here yet? Now?

catize -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:33:59 AM)
quote: If that is true, then the message is frequently lost. I agree. It has been twisted and mis-used. But I also believe those in viable relationships don’t spend a lot of time thinking about it, they just enjoy each other.

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:34:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth often, gifts are chosen for giving with the person being gifted actually imagined as being able to use or admire and in some cases, appreciate the gift, but not necessarily an expectation of reciprocity. Pearls of wisdom beth. The best gifts are those freely given.

catize -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 8:36:33 AM)
quote: it is a gift from the Great Architect to both of us. I like that thought very very much!

daddysblondie -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 11:21:51 AM)
I've never quite understood the idea of submission as a gift. Although, the whole topic reminded me of an exchange between my Daddy and I last year. Our birthdays were one week apart and we were having a discussion about gifts. Jokingly I said to him, well ya know, since my submission is a gift, then I guess I don't need to get you anything for your birthday. His response was something to the effect of, if my submission is a gift, then so was his dominance, and I wouldn't be getting anything either. I think I would have to agree that when I give gifts to people, friends, family, partners etc, I give them not because I'm expecting to get a gift back. I enjoy giving gifts, period. I don't see any part of a relationship, D/s or vanilla where a certain amount of reciprocity is not expected. Just my 2 cents anyway....

domiguy -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 11:27:50 AM)
I have always believed that a woman's submission is a gift. Unfortunately when you try and return it most stores will not give you cash but a comparable exchange for other merchandise. The last time I returned a woman's submission I was able to exchange it for some Kiwi Black Shoe Polish...What a suck ass gift.

DesFIP -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 11:30:35 AM)
He gave me a Christmas gift. Was it required? No. Would I have felt bad if he hadn't of? Certainly. So although it was voluntary on his part, it was also essential in keeping the relationship in good working order. Ignoring birthdays, annivarsaries and the like says that you aren't important to the other person. In the same vein, attending a wedding without bringing a gift isn't required but does show you up to be a tacky person. In terms of 'gift of submission', I maintain that it's a useful romantic fiction for newbies who have a tendency to believe whatever the first dom who talks to them tells them. By thinking of themselves as valuable, and their gift as valuable, they are more likely to think twice when presented with an unhealthy situation that devalues them.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 1:11:08 PM)
you are reading too much into the IF part of what i said. IF Daddy was to cease being Daddy and lose interest in our relationship - then i would cease as His daughter (which by the way is hypothetically speaking here). we are committed to this until death do we so part like any married couple. my submission and commitment is my gift to Him. i never expected anything in return yet He has given me more than i could have ever asked from any man. He didn't have to give me in return His love or dominance however He did anyway. you could say we mutually exchanged gifts to each other which is why our D/s dynamic has been working well for us. edited to add: i enjoy giving myself - talents, creativity - all of me to Him ...a gift in which He (like SO) appreciate above all.

Abraxus -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 2:36:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x And a huge thank you so much for your visits and I already miss you to both Mistoferin and Abraxus. LOL....now I'm "COMPANY"??? Miss you too, it's always just the best at your place and it doesn't get to happen nearly often enough. We really are going to have to do it again much sooner....but I have to have a talk with Scooter about binding your hands so someone else can get a shot at the dishes! Well I started out as "Company" but ended up feeling like family. I must say it was such a pleasure meeting you and yours. Thank you so much for the wonderful week. Please Give My thanks to all in your household I had a wonderful time. Thank you A/all so very much. Also I might add that the one complaining that she is now "company" That I will be seeing her soon again and her ass is Mine. Wicked Evil Grin. Miss you all so very much.

Abraxus -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 2:43:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x And a huge thank you so much for your visits and I already miss you to both Mistoferin and Abraxus. LOL....now I'm "COMPANY"??? Miss you too, it's always just the best at your place and it doesn't get to happen nearly often enough. We really are going to have to do it again much sooner....but I have to have a talk with Scooter about binding your hands so someone else can get a shot at the dishes! Lol, no you are not exactly company. I never let company sleep and...er...well whatever else you were doing in my bed! Hey, i let you wash the dinner dishes once, and a couple of other times too! I promise when i visit you i will let you win the argument over the dishes(sometimes). Are you headed back here yet? Now? Thanks for the use of your bed and for finding mistoferins toy. Laughs... I agree twicehappy you should allow mistoferin to do some of the dishes especially the real dirty ones. Grinz

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 4:19:51 PM)
Please enjoy my gift of links: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1180353/mpage_1/tm.htm "Submission is a gift" http://www.collarchat.com/m_725554/mpage_2/key_gift/tm.htm#725692 It ain't a gift http://www.collarchat.com/m_539780/mpage_1/key_gift/tm.htm#539948 The gift of submission http://www.collarchat.com/m_417971/mpage_2/key_gift/tm.htm#418195 submission is a gift!!!??? http://www.collarchat.com/m_285542/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#285542 If submission is a 'gift.' what's dominance? http://www.collarchat.com/m_199872/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#199872 The Gift you give to yourself http://www.collarchat.com/m_195087/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#195087 A gift??? http://www.collarchat.com/m_137582/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#137582 The Domly Gift http://www.collarchat.com/m_135667/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#135667 Why do so many view submission as a gift? http://www.collarchat.com/m_128811/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#128811 Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? http://www.collarchat.com/m_118674/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#118674 Gift or not... http://www.collarchat.com/m_109097/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#109097 The "gift" of submission http://www.collarchat.com/m_26446/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#26446 On the gift of submission http://www.collarchat.com/m_17487/mpage_1/key_gift%252Csubmission/tm.htm#17487 my thoughts on the "gift" of submission

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Gift? (1/4/2008 6:21:46 PM)
Lmao.....and a search in a pear treee..... Grins and Happy New Year LA.

adoracat -> RE: Gift? (1/5/2008 5:41:12 PM)
~~fast reply~~ i think about this, "is my submission a gift"? Daddy says it is. i tell him "i'm just me". and i think that's the begining and end of it to me. i'm not being any different to him than i would otherwise... i was off with someone else this weekend, and i behaved with him as i do anywhere. i picked up after him, and did my best to make his day better. i cannot be who i am not, you know? i am submissive. so the "gift" of it is this (to me): if you consider me being in your life a gift, then yes, it is. otherwise, its just me being me, unless you're my Daddy, then yes, Sir, as you wish, and of course you're right. kitten, who can reel that off without giggling these days

Leatherist -> RE: Gift? (1/5/2008 6:56:50 PM)
It's submissive chest beating.

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