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workingboi -> Online Dommes (1/4/2008 9:08:01 AM)

I've been around awhile...but been in many games. Both told countless times I am a submissive, which I truely believe. I'm currently in some therapy for the anxiety I have.
 
My question to the Dommes here is, I've been told the sub chooses the Dom/Domme...but is it so heinos that the sub cannot ask and/or speak out about being upset or hurt in fear of reprishal? Or that it's disobedience to ask?
 
Been in countless circles and each one, the Domme is quite selfish, cruel and abusive. Do I just choose poorly? I don't really want to hear "Have a thicker skin" because that is not the answer. How can someone treat someone so terribly online and sleep at night...
 
I just don't understand. I never thought someone could be so cruel in real life until it happened 2 years ago.
 
Any advice would be enlightening...
 
Thank You.




mnottertail -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:02:49 AM)

Been in countless circles and each one, the Domme is quite selfish, cruel and abusive. Do I just choose poorly? I don't really want to hear "Have a thicker skin" because that is not the answer.
 
Two things maybe more, lose this gawdawful type color.
Yes--------------- you choose poorly, if that is all you run into.
How do we know that thicker skin is not the answer?  You cannot say that such an answer is inappropriate after dismissing it out-of-hand, but not having any sort of alternative...........
 
 
Ron(ne)  
 




workingboi -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:25:16 AM)

Wow...this is a completely great example of the "Hateful Dom" theme, you just can't make these kinds of things up.  [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:27:24 AM)

You ain't very far in therapy, are you? It shows.

Ron




Jeffff -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:31:25 AM)

I liked the pink font better Ron

Claude Monet




workingboi -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:40:33 AM)

I like purple, black and green best...but green shows up terrible...and black is so bland and common.
 
Though it's no business of a shitty Dom to know how much therapy I've been in, I've been going on and off for 5 years, finally on some good medicine and I function great.
 
It's only people like these people that make me feel horrible about myself. Not going to be a doormat anymore, especially for some old male who just wants to abuse people.
 
It's ironic and funny, but my therapist's name is Rod and he's very smart, makes me upset and I understand more. Not that most Doms care about anything except thier money, bedroom and cars.
 
So yes...think I'll keep using purple and pinkish text, don't need to get approval from someone that seems to be as old as my father. And you definately could use some shape. Heh.




Jeffff -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:43:19 AM)

Black is the new Black...........and being touchy is only gonna get you..not flamed so much as incinerated. Enjoy..[:D]

Rlaph Lauren




Wickad -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 10:57:02 AM)

Greetings to the OP,

I guess I wonder if the only Dominant women you have experience with are those who 'play' online (title of thread and all)? 

If this is the case, then maybe that is the problem.  From my experience, people who play only online tend to want a fantasy rather than a reality.  Online domination seems to cater to stereotypes portrayed in porn - the temptress, the ball buster, the cold, cruel and unattainable vixen, the strict school marm, etc.

If you read the threads here you will find that most of the real time Dominant women are kind, caring, nurturing and most even love their submissives.  This is not to say that they are not also demanding, exacting, sadistic and sometimes even cruel but like most people in the greater society, Dominant women are not one dimensional and have many sides to their personalities.

Wickad




LadyPact -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 11:29:04 AM)

I happen to like the color, Ron.  What's wrong with purple?




MissJana -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 11:37:04 AM)

I love purple [:D] Also wanted to comment your cat looks just like my Pandora. Her pic is in my profile pics. [:)] Ms Jana




workingboi -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 11:49:22 AM)

Thankies so much! I always loved this color, in MMORPGs like City of Heroes, I would make purple aliens with green hair...and my best friend would always say I must be color blind..  [:D]
 
Glad to see good people, I know there's people like us out here...just I get in a slump sometimes.  [&o]
 
And for the record, that's my landlord's kitty...one of 'em called Jake. He's a food thief!! Last time I let him downstairs he ran right to my cats food dish, and slurped it all up and trodded back upstairs!!!  [:'(]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 1:27:10 PM)

Purple is my favorite color.

Online folks are....online.  They can be ANYONE.  Ages ago (in the early 90's lol) some friends of mine and I were doing pig play online with some chick in NJ.  We couldn't decide which was funnier, the pig play, or the notion that we might be playing with some 14 year old boy. 

It's ever so easy to be mean on the net.  If all you know of domination is femdom porn, then your idea of what real life dommes behave like is going to be somewhat skewed. 




beeble -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 1:41:26 PM)

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LadyPact wrote: I happen to like the color, Ron. What's wrong with purple?

On my screen, at least, it's a little hard to read.  Not hard enough that I'd complain about it but harder than a darker colour.




ElanSubdued -> Reply to Workingboi. (1/4/2008 1:41:29 PM)

Workingboi,

I've paraphrased and broken up your questions for clarity.

1.) Is it heinous that a sub ask and/or speak out about being upset or hurt?

Context is everything.  Likewise, it depends on what you mean by "upset or hurt".  If your dominant instructed you to be quiet because you weren't listening and thus speaking out of turn, while you might feel upset, I see no problems here.  It might take you a bit of self reflection to understand what happened and indeed you might not be comfortable during this period.  On the other hand, if you're generally afraid of discussing things with your dominant, this, in my opinion, isn't a healthy relationship.  Whether dominant or submissive, in healthy relationships partners are comfortable and able to go to each other for help and to discuss feelings of joy, concern, hurt, etc.

2.) When a sub is upset or hurt, should the sub fear reprisal if they speak to their dominant about the problem?

This one is easy:  absolutely not.  Fear of reprisal is likely to cause partial or complete communication break down.  If you're not able to communicate openly with your partner, to me, this is the most basic indication that you're with the wrong partner or that the relationship is in serious need of overhaul.

3.) Is it disobedience to ask and/or communicate things to your dominant?

See my answer to question number 1.  Generally, I'd say it isn't disobedient to communicate things to your partner, but if you've consented to a situation where a gag order is in place, then yes, it is disobedient to speak when you've been instructed to remain quiet.  In circumstances where a gag order is in place, I always like to have a lifeline available.  The lifeline might be a previously agreed upon safeword or non-verbal queue, or you simply saying (politely) "something is very wrong, may I please have permission to speak".

4.) If one continues to meet dommes who are selfish, cruel, and abusive, are you choosing partners poorly?

During my early forays as a submissive, unfortunately my experiences are similar to what you've described.  In other words, I met dominant people (both men and women) who acted in unkind, abusive ways.  As I gained more experience, I soon realized there are many people who identify as dominant, but that doesn't make them loving partners or effective leaders.  Indeed, as sometimes happens with positions of authority, there are people who abuse and/or hide behind their position to avoid their own deficiencies.  The biggest change (for me) in meeting compatible partners has been to place less emphasis on my partners as dominant women and more emphasis on who they are as people.  It's easy to get caught up in the energy of exploring BDSM fantasies, but the reality is people are indeed people.  If you don't like someone in a vanilla context, I can almost guarantee you won't like them any better in a BDSM context.  Therefore, choose partners who you feel comfortable with and who make you feel good.  Someone rude, lacking courtesy, unreliable, and who has poor communication skills doesn't tend to make a great relationship partner - regardless of whether they are dominant or not.  Look for the basics first and dominance as the icing on top, not the other way around.

All of this said, I've met some amazing dominant women in my life, none of whom I would characterize as selfish, cruel, or abusive.  Rather, they are quite the opposite actually.  These women are kind, creative, intelligent, well-balanced people who have chosen to explore their dominant predilections, power, fantasies, and sexuality in a responsible, loving way.  Some of the dommes I know are friends while others have been romantic partners who now remain as friends.  All of these women are people I'm extremely lucky to have in my life.

Wickad and LadyHibiscus gave excellent perspective on meeting people over the Internet versus in real life.  If you haven't already digested their posts, give these a read.  By the way, welcome to the forums. :-)

Elan.




BitaTruble -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 2:05:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: workingboi
 
My question to the Dommes here is, I've been told the sub chooses the Dom/Domme...but is it so heinos that the sub cannot ask and/or speak out about being upset or hurt in fear of reprishal? Or that it's disobedience to ask?

 
Relationships (of any sort) are symbiotic in nature. I mean, you can pick Angelina Jolie to be your dominant, but if she doesn't pick you as well, all bets are off.
 
As for it being heinous to speak out about being upset or hurt, no, it's not heinous. That said, if you're passive-aggreesive with the 'way' you speak out, that's not good either, whether you're a dominant or a submissive or something else. Oftentimes it's not 'what' you say, but 'how' you say it that matters.

 
quote:

Been in countless circles and each one, the Domme is quite selfish, cruel and abusive. Do I just choose poorly? I don't really want to hear "Have a thicker skin" because that is not the answer. How can someone treat someone so terribly online and sleep at night...

 
Your problem in choosing is that you're not choosing those who are compatible with you. If cruel, selfish and abusive doesn't work for you, then you just have to keep searching until you find a dominant who isn't those things. There are dominants out there who are nice, generous and nurturing. If you act and react in a manner which they find pleasing, you're more likely to attract those sorts who are more in line with your way of thinking. You know, you can say 'no' to anyone. Just because someone is a dominant doesn't mean they are 'your' dominant. Be a bit selective, work on yourself and what you have to offer and don't worry about being all things to all dominants. You only have to be everything for 'one' person.. not the multitudes.

 
quote:

I just don't understand. I never thought someone could be so cruel in real life until it happened 2 years ago.

 
Yeah. Some people suck. Let those people go and concentrate on the people who don't suck. :D

 
Good luck to you and welcome to the forums.
 
Celeste




workingboi -> RE: Online Dommes (1/4/2008 3:26:48 PM)

I'm glad kind women exist. I feel much better getting some input after today's rukus. It makes me reflect on a more positive light, thank You all very much.




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