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Question - 8/23/2005 2:14:04 PM   
Thepanther


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Status: offline 		Does anyone else see a large number of profiles from domme, and sub, females asking for sums of money for a BDSM relationship or encounter? Does that seem to be more asking for a "sugar daddy", or offering an escort like service, more then anything else? Or is it an acceptable practice?
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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 2:23:02 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		If the people involved want it, then it's a completely acceptable thing. Try a search on the topic and you will find lots of good talk about it.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 3:02:01 PM   
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Does anyone else see a large number of profiles from domme, and sub, females asking for sums of money for a BDSM relationship or encounter? Does that seem to be more asking for a "sugar daddy", or offering an escort like service, more then anything else? Or is it an acceptable practice?

thepanther


i am told by members that another BDSM site is now overrun with prostitues. Gawd, not here, i hope.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 4:51:46 PM   
OscarHargraves


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Status: offline 		I haven't seen any of that yet here........... but then I'm a 'Newbee' here so..........

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 6:21:17 PM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand the problem with consensual prostutiton. It's a service. Someone is providing a service and being paid for it.
If they are safe, and uncoerced I do not understand why it upsets so many people.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 6:23:03 PM   
kc692


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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

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Does anyone else see a large number of profiles from domme, and sub, females asking for sums of money for a BDSM relationship or encounter? Does that seem to be more asking for a "sugar daddy", or offering an escort like service, more then anything else? Or is it an acceptable practice?

thepanther


i am told by members that another BDSM site is now overrun with prostitues. Gawd, not here, i hope.

pinkpleasures


RE: When did this lifestyle become a meat market or an ... - 8/23/2005 3:34:32 PM
Any desire (short of legal boundaries) that is expressed in a profile here should not diminish anyone's value, dignity or worth. If it does not match Y/yours, don't contact the person described. E/everyone is entitled to be treated with respect and dignity, unless they do something outside the pale..and then the Mods can handle it.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 6:24:38 PM   
KarbonCopy


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Status: offline 		I just cant respect the Dom/mes that ask for money tributes.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 7:42:12 PM   
dominmd


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Status: offline 		Notice those types hardly if ever, come into the forums? Kinda makes you wonder. But if that is your thing and you wanna do tribute, then go right ahead. Speaking for my sub side, my tribute is giving myself over to the care of another individual. Be it mind, body, soul intellectually or all of the above. Personally I have a steady income, and at this time see no reason to share it.


Now let us visit the topic of courtship. Everyone engages in this activity be it in the vanilla realm or BDSM. The guys is usually trying to woo and impress the female. He does this with flowers, cards, poetry, presents, food, chocolate, etc, etc. All this to the end desired result in sexual relations with this particular female. It can be said through a certain point of view, that men are indeed paying for sex. And it can be reversed to the woman doing everything a guy would do to lure a guy into bed.

Just because you pay outright for sex does not mean it is wrong in this case. By the morals of others, maybe yes. In the end we get to labeling people again. So why even bother, we are who we are, no more no less.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 8:18:42 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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ORIGINAL: dominmd
Now let us visit the topic of courtship. Everyone engages in this activity be it in the vanilla realm or BDSM. The guys is usually trying to woo and impress the female. He does this with flowers, cards, poetry, presents, food, chocolate, etc, etc. All this to the end desired result in sexual relations with this particular female. It can be said through a certain point of view, that men are indeed paying for sex. And it can be reversed to the woman doing everything a guy would do to lure a guy into bed.

Just because you pay outright for sex does not mean it is wrong in this case. By the morals of others, maybe yes. In the end we get to labeling people again. So why even bother, we are who we are, no more no less.
Very nicely said.
I think we all pay for sex, just not always by handing over cash and commanding he/she tend to whatever your need.
If you an adult with the ability to consent, don't like a particular profile for whatever reason, skip it.. M

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 8:50:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just want to be clear it was a question that crossed my mind and in no way something i'm for or not for.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 10:32:21 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		I was one told (many years ago), that prostitution was ethical because you pay the fee and get what you paid for.. However when a man marries, he is still paying for sex but it costs about $10,000 a bonk..

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 10:37:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
I was one told (many years ago), that prostitution was ethical because you pay the fee and get what you paid for.. However when a man marries, he is still paying for sex but it costs about $10,000 a bonk..
So very true! M

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 11:09:53 PM   
KittenWithaTwist


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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 11:19:56 PM   
MrThorns


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ORIGINAL: Thepanther

Does anyone else see a large number of profiles from domme, and sub, females asking for sums of money for a BDSM relationship or encounter? Does that seem to be more asking for a "sugar daddy", or offering an escort like service, more then anything else? Or is it an acceptable practice?


There do seem to be quite a few people asking for financial compensation of some sort, but there are still quite a few people out there willing to pay for sex or a scene or two.

It's perfectly acceptable. Some slaves want their Master to be financially well off as to be able to care for their every need without the slave having to go out of the home to work. Some FemDoms demand tribute.

I wouldn't be going around calling FemDoms or female slaves prostitues though. I think there is a difference.

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RE: Question - 8/23/2005 11:27:54 PM   
Raphael


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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand the problem with consensual prostutiton. It's a service. Someone is providing a service and being paid for it.
If they are safe, and uncoerced I do not understand why it upsets so many people.


I favour legalising it. I've known some girls that did it, and I think they typically deserve a lot more respect than they get. That's a whole different topic, really - it's a little complicated. I don't think people should be thrown in jail for doing it. I also don't want to be involved in it in any way myself, and wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.

Sort of like heroine. Yes, I think it should be legal, because making it illegal just makes it worse. But no, I don't recommend anyone actually taking it, legal or not.

But anyway, regardless of that, it's a valid concern that if BDSM becomes associated with prostitution, it will just make persecution of BDSMers more likely, so it makes a lot of sense that people wouldn't want it to be going on here.

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RE: Question - 8/24/2005 8:42:51 AM   
NakedOnMyChain


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I'm going to be blunt, I apologize if it hurts anyone's delicate sensibilities. Yes, there probably are a lot of people on this site looking for money. Many of their reasons are valid, many not. But if you don't like their profile, there is this handy little button you can click that lets you look at someone else's. This is probably one of the few situations where if you don't like it you can make it better by ignoring it.

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RE: Question - 8/24/2005 9:53:28 AM   
bulletproof


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Status: offline 		isn't money changing hands illegal?

by what loopholes are people able to do that?

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RE: Question - 8/24/2005 10:03:42 AM   
Veav


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Status: offline 		I believe prostitution specifically is illegal. Paying for someone to whip you is very much legal. There are also various loopholes, such as the classic massage parlor - I'm not sure just how well those hold up in court.

Personally, I've always been in favor of legalizing prostitution. It's a service like any other, why not? Legalize it and regulate it, state exams and regular physical checkups. Then we'll see people majoring in it for college, Cliff's Notes, Hooking For Dummies, degrees-by-mail... *grins* I don't find prostitutes somehow unnerving or unappealing. I've never been myself, simply because I place greater personal value in physical affection, but I've known several strippers and escorts in my time and found many of them to be interesting people with more than just that label to offer.

I do get creeped out by the profiles that say "you will give me all your money, and in return I will grace you with my presence, but if you even think about looking me in the eye you will be thrown out on your ear!" If people who follow this philosophy in either role are getting what they need, so be it, but... I'm not going to pretend I understand. :P

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RE: Question - 8/24/2005 11:07:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bulletproof

isn't money changing hands illegal?

by what loopholes are people able to do that?


"Sex" for money is illegal in most states. How "sex" is defined varies. In many states, BDSM is seen as sex. Several years ago, an appealate court in New York, ruled that professional domination without genital contact is not sex.

In Massachusetts, there was also the problem that consent is not a defense, so a consensual whipping can lead to the top being arrested.

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RE: Question - 8/24/2005 2:45:57 PM   
pinkpleasures


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RE: When did this lifestyle become a meat market or an ... - 8/23/2005 3:34:32 PM

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Any desire (short of legal boundaries) that is expressed in a profile here should not diminish anyone's value, dignity or worth. If it does not match Y/yours, don't contact the person described. E/everyone is entitled to be treated with respect and dignity, unless they do something outside the pale..and then the Mods can handle it.

pinkpleasures


quote:

Sound familiar???????

kc692


Was there a point you sought to make, kc692? i did not follow your thinking.

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