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apricott -> Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/23/2005 5:34:56 PM)

I have talked to so many people on here and yes some of them have been great.
But why in a place like this where you are basically opening yourself up totally lie?
I mean come on what is the point really?
There are very serious and sincere people here looking for something real.
Yet there are players and more fakes then there are real sub/slaves here.
I do not except that every slave is going to be right for me or visa versa.
But I was not expecting the amount a false ones that I have run across.
I wrote a very honest and real profile on here at the very least give me the respect of being honest.
There are many Dom and Dom couples who feel this way.
How can we stop the players?
April



JohnWarren -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/23/2005 5:54:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: apricott

I have talked to so many people on here and yes some of them have been great.
But why in a place like this where you are basically opening yourself up totally lie?
I mean come on what is the point really?
There are very serious and sincere people here looking for something real.
Yet there are players and more fakes then there are real sub/slaves here.
I do not except that every slave is going to be right for me or visa versa.
But I was not expecting the amount a false ones that I have run across.
I wrote a very honest and real profile on here at the very least give me the respect of being honest.
There are many Dom and Dom couples who feel this way.
How can we stop the players?
April



I'm not sure there really are all that many "fakes" out there. What is more likely it that people seeking a specific scene tend to label folks who don't want that precise scene as somehow fake.

For example, 24/7 as I and many old timers define it (constant overt submission with no breaks or outside time) is very very rare. It is, in effect, an unusual scene. That doesn't make it any worse or better than any other scene since there is no hiearchy in wiitwd. Still, it make finding a partner difficult.

What also makes things more difficult is that our scene has yet to produce a Webster, so words mean different things to different people. Again, using 24/7 as an example, I've heard some say they were 24/7 and cyber only. Obviously they have a different definition than I.



mnottertail -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/23/2005 5:56:20 PM)

Cain't.... (spits tobacco juice). If you came here looking for a meaningful relationship you came to the wrong place, unless you are very, very patient and resilient. This is a sex site (including a large set of mindphuckers and just plain nasties; of which I am a prime example).

Dejectedly, but truthfully (in most respects),
Ron



SimplyWickedGRL -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/23/2005 6:01:08 PM)

I couldnt agree more... jsut have to keep looking. We will find what we are looking for... I never use to hate men.... but the more i look for a slve the more selfish they appear.

Isnt it suppose to the opposite. And male slaves wonder why we are bitches.



KarbonCopy -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/23/2005 6:28:50 PM)

I find too many submissives and the like looking for relationships from their kinky life, but the truth is realtionships are built between people, not sex.

TPE 24/7 submissives exist yes, but there is a relationship involved. Of course you can incorporate alot of the "sex life" as it was so delicately put, into your every day life, but thats up to you and where your relationship is.



lonewolf05 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/24/2005 6:31:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: apricott

I have talked to so many people on here and yes some of them have been great.
But why in a place like this where you are basically opening yourself up totally lie?
I mean come on what is the point really?
There are very serious and sincere people here looking for something real.
Yet there are players and more fakes then there are real sub/slaves here.
I do not except that every slave is going to be right for me or visa versa.
But I was not expecting the amount a false ones that I have run across.
I wrote a very honest and real profile on here at the very least give me the respect of being honest.
There are many Dom and Dom couples who feel this way.
How can we stop the players?
April


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how can you stop the players? you can't.
yes. many bad apples in the basket and it is hell finding some worthwhile to take to the counter to buy.
i am sorry. it is the nature of the beast.
i used-to bitch and complain about money dommes.......until someone emailed me private and said they understood my frustration....but it is just how things are...and it is not easy but it is the way life is.......
then i woke up. i understood.

i feel bad for GOOD dommes. i know MY new Ms has had Her hands full looking for REAL sincere guy slaves. so so many do-me boys out there.


please take care. and good luck. some of us good boys ARE here. we are as hard to find as good dommes are.

wolfie




MsKyln -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/24/2005 8:20:33 AM)

quote:

I'm not sure there really are all that many "fakes" out there. What is more likely it that people seeking a specific scene tend to label folks who don't want that precise scene as somehow fake.

For example, 24/7 as I and many old timers define it (constant overt submission with no breaks or outside time)


I totally agree with that. being an "Old timer" I don't define 24/7 as I once did. Now, I use it to define an emotional, physical and mental need rather than the literal physical position.

And, as for "fakes" vs "Real" it really is dependant on each persons interpretation ... as it should be.

My 50cents worth [;)]

MsK



lonewolf05 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/24/2005 8:50:55 AM)

quote:

I couldnt agree more... jsut have to keep looking. We will find what we are looking for... I never use to hate men.... but the more i look for a slve the more selfish they appear.

Isnt it suppose to the opposite. And male slaves wonder why we are bitches.

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some, of us,..t r y real hard. we have as much trouble as You Ladies.
yes. many many do-me boys.
i am sorry for that.
but some of us are here looking with honesty and earnesty...and eagerness.

wolfie



SlaveR1 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/24/2005 11:22:11 AM)

There is nothing you can do. Just keep trying.



MistressGrace07 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/25/2005 4:32:26 PM)

I believe that 24/7 takes time and isn't something that happens "automatically", but that's just Me. I believe it needs to be eased into like any sort of training. It takes a ton of mutual respect and time and work....



lonewolf05 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 5:36:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressGrace07

I believe that 24/7 takes time and isn't something that happens "automatically", but that's just Me. I believe it needs to be eased into like any sort of training. It takes a ton of mutual respect and time and work....

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takes time? explain? i moved in with Mistress, from iowa to wisconsin, with the knowledge it is to be 24/7/365. time? time? what is this t i m e ? it is automatic. it is here and now and do not forget She is Mistress and i am boy...She commands all, from the moment i open my eyes to when i drift off to sleep.
t i m e? no. it is at the precise moment i put on the collar and She snapped the padlock.

wolfie



toran29 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 8:06:39 AM)

Maybe there needs to be a secret hand-shake? Post it in the forums so only those who really want to get to know everyone else by reading their thoughts and joining in the community will know it.

"Hi, I'm DoMe. I'd do anything for you. What are you wearing?"
"Hello, DoMe. Isn't there something you want to say to me?"
"ummmm, do me?"
"Thanks, bye"

Seriously, I'm just kidding.



lonewolf05 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 8:46:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: toran29

Maybe there needs to be a secret hand-shake? Post it in the forums so only those who really want to get to know everyone else by reading their thoughts and joining in the community will know it.

"Hi, I'm DoMe. I'd do anything for you. What are you wearing?"
"Hello, DoMe. Isn't there something you want to say to me?"
"ummmm, do me?"
"Thanks, bye"

Seriously, I'm just kidding.

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just kidding? aw shucks. and here i was gonna send ya yer new decoder ring with the new password and secret handshake sign......damn. i lost another member....

tee hee he he lol roflmao.....chuckling hard til my belly jiggles

wolfie........sniffs the air and pads away



toran29 -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 10:22:51 AM)

[:D]

Hey - Lonewolf - I'll take that decoder ring if you've still got it! May be a collectable some day. "The Official I'm A Slave, Really" Decoder Ring ... I think you're on to something...





KCMOLucky -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 11:00:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I'm not sure there really are all that many "fakes" out there. What is more likely it that people seeking a specific scene tend to label folks who don't want that precise scene as somehow fake.

For example, 24/7 as I and many old timers define it (constant overt submission with no breaks or outside time) is very very rare. It is, in effect, an unusual scene. That doesn't make it any worse or better than any other scene since there is no hiearchy in wiitwd. Still, it make finding a partner difficult.

What also makes things more difficult is that our scene has yet to produce a Webster, so words mean different things to different people. Again, using 24/7 as an example, I've heard some say they were 24/7 and cyber only. Obviously they have a different definition than I.



You know, I'm sure that you're right. "slave' has so many definitions anymore; that's why there are so many people who can't 'find what they are looking for'. Everyone has their own definition, their own terms, and their own timetables for slavery.
My problem comes into view when I've found someone who I've invested time in, we've had conversations, and move onto the initial vanilla meeting. It's nothing much, just dinner with my self and my husband. I don't want to just move from online to 24/7 without observing them in a non-S&M setting. I like to see how they treat other people, how they address the waiter, their eating habits...ect., only to be stood up.
For example: I began a selection process from which I was interested in 4 seperate slaves. They all knew I would be making a selection, that I was considering others, and that they would be required at least one dinner with me. But when it came down to actually meeting these "slaves", they didn't show. One actually had a conversation with me about how despicable he thought it was when slaves stand up Dommes, and then did it himself.
There are a LOT of fakes. All in all, I've been stood up 7 times. And they most often just dissapear from the face of the earth, too. One day I'm sharing with them how my day went, or giving advice to them because their previous mistress beat them within an inch of their life and then left them for dead, and it's made trusting anyone a problem; the next day, nothing. No contact, no "I'm sorry, goodbye." Nothing.
You know, Domme doesn't mean devoid of all feelings. If I take time to talk to you every day, sometimes many many times a day, I've developed a relationship with you in my mind. I've not met many people that I don't like. Heck, I even talk to people on here, just because they're nice, and intelligent, and I can learn from them.
Being fake isn't just infuriating for some, it's quite hurtful, and it makes me lose any and all respect I had for a slave.



pangaia -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 11:14:48 AM)

God damn people under the age of 60 make me SICK (no offense to any 50 or 40 year olds here.. and I'm 32)

Growing up everything I learned about the "scene" was from the strange people I ran across who DID have 24/7 slaves and such.

Now here i am looking for such.. and I find modern people have no real idea what words like Devotion/Focus and SLavery even MEAN..

Every word has its LITE LITE version that people use ..

I mean.. there is a place for a "slow S developed over time" and all that. But that is not a slave to me.

When I devoted myself to various masters to learn things that I learned. I had no limit. Whatever was necessary, whatever their will was. Now people;l say "no limit" but they mean "I WILL have no limit after we develop a meaningful relationship and I love you"

What do I say to that? Heck.. I have had relationships with VANILLA women and turned them into more extreme subs than many people who claim 24/7. People might as well get a vanilla person to sub for them and grow them into real slaves .. it has the same effect as what a lot of people seem to mean.

Sometimes I wish I COULD be a slave to a Domme just so I could show someone what slavery truly was as an enlightening gift of the TOTALITY of one's self.

I look forward to redefining a lot of these words so that I actually have some IDEA what people mean when they speak.

I don't want old timers to have to redefine their words to suit these modern people with no concept of duty or true life and death devotion.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 11:32:09 AM)

quote:

Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there?


I would have to say yes when they have a Diciplined Master who is willing to be a Real TPE 24/7 Master who will not put up with being tested. The fesityness of the Human Spirit is not meet to be controlled by others even if the person wants to be controlled. So, these subs and slaves will unconciously get themselves into trouble. Or perhaps they will do something because they feel over due for a punishment or spanking of sorts. In any case, when the action of the sub/slave happens, the Master should act on it.



pangaia -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 11:55:03 AM)

Yeah.. I suppose the feisty aspect is what amazes me. Having mostly been exposed to female Dommes and their slaves, and older male Doms when i was younger (recent time spent in New York City, childhood spent in upstate New York) I have had extremely little exposure to disobedience.

Do you consider the whole disobedience, punishment cycle to be a necessity? The few occasions I HAVE had to fully submit to the will of others, it was usually in a life or death situation, hence the option to be disobedient was never part of my awareness. While those events were not within the realm of sexual relationships/BDSM.. I have taken that type of focus with me as a Dom.

I have simply been extremely picky searching for a Slave. Perhaps I have been too picky according to you in my definition of slave. I would like some of the older Dom/Dommes to weigh in and give their opinion.



JohnWarren -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 12:52:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pangaia

God damn people under the age of 60 make me SICK (no offense to any 50 or 40 year olds here.. and I'm 32)


I'm 61 and I'm offended.

quote:


When I devoted myself to various masters to learn things that I learned. I had no limit. Whatever was necessary, whatever their will was. Now people;l say "no limit" but they mean "I WILL have no limit after we develop a meaningful relationship and I love you"


You have no limit [laugh] Good thing you survived. The longer I've been in the scene the more I realize that there are people with scenes where "I just don't wanna go there."

quote:



Sometimes I wish I COULD be a slave to a Domme just so I could show someone what slavery truly was as an enlightening gift of the TOTALITY of one's self.


Didn't you just say you'd done just that with "Masters?"

quote:



I look forward to redefining a lot of these words so that I actually have some IDEA what people mean when they speak.


I think they have a pretty good idea what they mean. The problem is communicating it. Take for example, a researcher coming into a faculty club and saying "I just found an artifact."

He gets congratulations and condolances.

Sorta depends on if you are a anthropologist or a statistician

quote:


I don't want old timers to have to redefine their words to suit these modern people with no concept of duty or true life and death devotion.


Funny, I'm an old timer with no problem, beyond reminding people that there ARE alternative definitions, with the change in language or I might be telling people that Winchester Cathedral is awful, artificial and amusing.

As for them having "no concept of duty or true life and death devotion," I would say that statement is more revealing of the speaker than of the people spoken about.



pangaia -> RE: Are there any Real TPE 24/7 sub slaves out there? (8/26/2005 2:40:24 PM)

You got me.. cantankerous am I.. and full of spit at times convinced i am right.

I hate when frustration seeps its way into my views of the world. But again, I am only 32 and young and impatient in ways I should not be. Also perhaps .;. and in fact perhaps withdrawn, my ideas are built from absolutes.

I would love to blame it on a temporary condition. But I must say with all honesty, that while I don't judge other people's definitions for their own lives. In my own viewpoint of the words duty, devotion, focus.. I do not think modern people know them as they should.

I was unsure of who I was and what I believed about this subject a few years ago, so I left this country and went on a four year vacation. I simply went to explore a variety of people places and ideas all over the world.

The last two places I was living in Japan and China. I thought I was extreme. I thought my ideas of focus, devotion, submission were harsh. I was so soft and gentle compared to the power and purity of some of the people there.

Masters and Slaves in the Asian cultures. The devotion and focus of Masters and Slaves there I have only seen it's like in fields of battle before that time. I truly was reawakened and reminded of what those words COULD mean all over again.

And so I returned to the United States, reinvigorated. And it would be a disservice to those brilliant bright (and dark) souls I met and encountered in Asia for me to say that our definition of those words was the same as theirs. You are older than I, so I know from my experience meeting people older than myself in this lifestyle when I was but a young pup, that although more loving and forgiving than many, you do know of which I speak.

I am not meaning these things as a condemnation or judgment on ANYONE's level of commitment, simply that I seek to explore the limits of my devotion to those concepts and words, and perhaps I am curious who else has a similar feeling. I am curious who else has a desire to burn away their imperfections "so to speak" with Domination or Submission.

While I myself am in a relationship with a Sub who does not seek to be a slave. I am also seeking a slave to re explore the limits of both she and myself according to the limits of those words. The limits of the human spirit.

In many ways true or absolute idealistic domination and submission/slavery are beneath and somehow above love itself. That is true and I can agree that they are separate. But also it is true that there needs to be some sort of discourse and REAL dialogue beyond me accusing the more loving Doms and the more loving Doms accusing me of not being true to the words devotion, focus, duty, slavery, etc.

I have to have BOTH types of relationships in my life. One where my Sub is a human is loved.. AND one where I have a slave who is totally objectified, and I TOO am totally objectified as a machine of lust.. of hunger.

But I tire of thew disagreement. And this is the first thread I have seen the thought brought up. I would like there to be some discussion.. a sort of "Websters" where the limits and meanings of these words can be determined and discussed. Not in terms of who is better or worse or more or less enlightened... BEYOND such petty concepts.

A Dom who asks and is given the action in return "cut off your finger because I have a whim" and the Dom who offers (and his offer is accepted) to do the dishes for a tired sub.. should be able to communicate with each other and respect one another EVEN though their definitions of Slavery .. Devotion.. Sub and Dom are totally different...

As I said before.. i have a Sub now and we have a traditional relationship like many if not MOST of the Subs and Doms here. We relate as two human beings. I would never ask her to jump off a bridge just for the sake of it. There are certain things she would not do even if I asked.

At the same time, I wish to explore aspects of myself, of another human, and of human nature, that require the type of devotion and focus I saw during my year in Asia. Focus and devotion that most Doms and Subs I have met (except some of the older more extreme ones and Female Dommes with Male Subs) would consider excessive.

I wish to explore BOTH types and definitions. WITHOUT judging or being judged. And so it is necessary that I view this dialogue.

So YES part of me agrees with the statement above (by the way I visited your website last week from another thread and plan to buy your book.. I am woefully short in the loving part of Dominance) but I want the part of me that agrees with the more strict or literal definition to also have a voice.. Mostly I want to be ABLE to identify people in this community as being one or the other.

While I am not confused about those concepts internally. When I meet women or men who call themselves Dom or Sub or lave or Master I have NO REAL idea what they mean. I either think they are much too soft for their titles or not soft and loving enough.

There needs to be.. at LEAST a dialogue about these discrepancies. WITHOUT the judgments.

And YES having seen people put their life in harms way on COMMAND and many other things. Having been to truly poverty stricken places. Having seen wartorn countries and gang infested communities and the soldiers in them. Having seen true japanese masters and their Slaves (and Chinese ones too) I must say that a great many people have no idea at least of what the LIMITS of thsoe words are..

I myself am one of those people... I am devoted to my calling. But by my own idea of it, I should have the Brad Pitt body now. I have been a recognized Dominant for over 9 ears now and I STILL do not have the Brad Pitt.. While that standard means nothing to others

it is MY OWN definition of a Master ( a defintion I apply as a guide and limitation only to myself.. I acknowledge all masters by the same rule.. living up to their OWN definition of Mastery or SLavery/Submission) and I have not yet met it.

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