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cbtok -> Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 10:22:13 AM)

I was recently "propositioned" by a professional who lives a bit far from me for us to have any serious interaction. She sent me a message with her rate structure and a few limits.

Casting aside the issue of trolling, I wonder if any of the professionals (or retired pros) could offer a few thoughts on what is necessary to start up. Personally, I think a lot of the equipment and garb expected nowadays would require the services of a wealthy patron…

I'm also thinking a website with a number of photographs (so that prospective wankers -- er clients could see what they look like).

I note that Ms. (lives-too-far-away-trolling-for-patrons) had not one photo in her CM profile but, perhaps CM had not yet approved it.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 11:04:21 AM)

I'm not sure what you're asking here.  Do you want to become a pro dominant? 

<Let's Pretend that you have checked out local laws, and you have a safe space separate from your home to work from>

First, decide who you want your client base to be.  Then, make sure you KNOW how to make that population happy.  This means that you must be able to add extras to every wanker fantasy and then some, and have the mad skillz to back it up.

Next, get stuffs.  Costumes, toys, appropriate furniture.  This can be simple or glam.  The more the better, of course.  It's expensive, you say?   Well, that's why a session with a good, well equipped professional costs so much.  OVERHEAD!

Advertising.  Domination Directory International.  Your Yahoo or AOL profile.  Discreet, elegant photos that show you at your best but do not show anything that you wouldn't show at the grocery store.  A website, that you link up with maxfisch.com.  A separate cell phone, for simplicity.

Then, the hard part:  screening the wankers.  Good luck.  :)





DiurnalVampire -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 11:11:59 AM)

Are you asking becaue you wonder what sort of means a Lady has or needs to be a pro? Are you surprised becasue the one you were contacted by was far off? Maybe she was interested in you particularly, or maybe you were one of many she contacted with a canned form letter. She may not have even paid any attention to where you are located.
To intially start out, a pro only really needs a few toys and a place to go. There are more than enough clients out there wiling to pay to play even if it isnt an elaborate setup to get someone started. Hell, you dont even need to be realtime for some, there are online pros who dominate via webcam and/or phone. As you get paid, you upgrade. You dont start out with everything right off, it would be bad business to equip a full dungeon for upscale clients when you dont know that you would have them.  If you have the money and perhaps the private interest in maintaining a dungeon like that, thats one thing. But to start a business and go al out from day one is like starting a store and stocking nthing but high end merchandise before you know if you have wealthy clientelle in your area.

My 2 cents
DV




SadisticMan -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 11:37:13 AM)


You as a Pro Male Dom can forget it, not being rude, but males have NO marketability, none at all.
A FemDomme is needed, one with some presence and not camera shy. You may assist as a slave
or assistant, but that is about it.  unless you seek gay submissive who may pay.

I have started 2 Pro Dungeons and assisted with several more.  The equipment, website, nice
photos, etc are all needed yes, costs? 1-2 thousand to start up.  You need a suitable place,
a spare bedroom while cool to you is too small to impress paying clients.  Tall ceilings for
hoists and chains, at least 1200 sq ft is needed.  May seem like too much, but it fills up fast.
And you need some separate places to conduct business.
The first few months are lean as your website gets listed where it matters and where you can
afford, a yahoo listing is not free, nor is a high Google ranking !
When the first clients come, it's the regular group who visits all the dungeons once or twice
if it's good, but it will takes a few weeks to months for them to find you. They are nice guys,
but their interest in always the new dungeons and Dommes. You will see them once.
You may pick up a regular or two, it will take a while to find good regulars.
Soon, like 80% you will take the ones wanting brown showers and SCAT, your toys will wear out
and get nasty, do you clean them each time, or buy new each time ?? money money
Even touching another's nipples is considered prostitution in many states, watch for sting operations, yes
they do happen, I have had 2 investigations.  Are you ready for that ?  They show up
with many government officials, zoning laws, children services, sheriff, etc.....
I've only seen a couple dungeons that lasted and maintained a clean environment. Most of these Dommes
are just seeking easy money, "yea, i could beat a guy for a $100"  their equipment and broken down
trailer dungeons are pretty gross, you will share the germs the traveling slaves bring with them from those
fine establishments.
In the end, you'll just be disgusted with it all like most are.  Good luck, you'll need it.
Questions, please ask, I have many answers having done this for many years with several Dommes.
As for me, I'm done with it, never again.  After seeing the same guys with new lies and nastier wants in
each dungeon, the ever escalating desire for SCAT and piss play, which TOTALLY disgusts me.
Read up about Mistress Ann in Indy, easy to search for, big news for a long time, you'll see the public
fight you may have to contend with.  BTW, I was in NO way associated with her.
Probably the second worst is the weird assortment of cocks you'll see, some have so many warts and
scars you'll wonder how it stays on his body....  tiny little cocks that can't even protrude beyond the pubic hair,
even when erect !  Guys who cum after 3 whacks, ones who are bit on the weird side, some just plain scary
and now you fear because they know you and your address,  eck is right, these guys show up at 3am, drunk
with a 20 dollar bill wanting a quickie.  I never did that, my locations were secret, the slave met at a public
parking lot, were blindfolded and driven to our dungeon, they never knew where it was exactly.  None the less,
several were smart enough to hunt us down and appear at the door at strange hours.  pretty freaking scary ...
Again good luck, if you need further de-persuasion, let me know !!




SadisticMan -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 11:48:13 AM)

In regards to the proposition, she is probably out of kerosene and cold.




PsyVamp -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 3:17:02 PM)

So much for having a job you enjoy.. Damn!  Guess I'll just remain a desk jockey. 

[;)]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 7:40:08 PM)

Well, it's not as horrible as all that.... but the work of screening IS indeed work.  And the police thing is not to be underestimated.

However, while I do not do scat play, I am not disgusted by it.  I am not disgusted by much, so far as kink goes.  I am not disgusted by much as far as the human body goes.  I demanded that my clients be CLEAN.  Beyond that, they could be "whatever" in the physical category.  Everyone deserves acceptance of some sort, don't you think?




MisPandora -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/5/2008 7:42:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cbtok

I was recently "propositioned" by a professional who lives a bit far from me for us to have any serious interaction. She sent me a message with her rate structure and a few limits.

Casting aside the issue of trolling, I wonder if any of the professionals (or retired pros) could offer a few thoughts on what is necessary to start up. Personally, I think a lot of the equipment and garb expected nowadays would require the services of a wealthy patron…

I'm also thinking a website with a number of photographs (so that prospective wankers -- er clients could see what they look like).

I note that Ms. (lives-too-far-away-trolling-for-patrons) had not one photo in her CM profile but, perhaps CM had not yet approved it.

She's already GOT a business running.   Why are you asking?




AtlantaMistress -> RE: Hanging out a shingle (1/6/2008 1:07:31 AM)

I did it all totally ass backwards and by accident, but decided from the beginning that I did NOT want to be just some one off fantasy fulfillment. I have been extremely fortunate to not have to "recruit" subs, and those that contact me must show me they are looking to truly submit to someone, and understand the type of commitment that means. Sure, I've been "sold" and sessioned with those that convinced me that they were worthy of my time - and it is often funny to me when they want to come back, and I have no interest in their games, and it doesn't matter how much they offer in tribute. It didn't happen overnight, but I have been fortunate to actually put together a stable of men that I have very unique special friendships, and still be a "stay at home mom" and can pay all my bills. I realize I am the exception to the rule, not only in the way I got into this, in the way I have chosen to do it, and even just in who I am, but I get so tired of the generalizations and people assuming the label puts me in one category.




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