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Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 3:27:18 PM   
faerytattoodgirl


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Status: offline 		What do you think the gov't is holding back on us?

How long does it take for something to come out to the public when its already been in gov't use?

When will we see teleportation? If it is even possible.

Why are we not using flying cars or skateboards( like in back to the future)yet? Will we ever?

Is any technology from star trek or other sci fi's ever going to be in real life?

Are we really far behind? Or is something holding us back?



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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 3:32:21 PM   
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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 3:55:44 PM   
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Is any technology from star trek or other sci fi's ever going to be in real life?

Are we really far behind? Or is something holding us back?

Greetings faerytattoodgirl,

Star Trek is science fiction, rather than scifi (pronounced "skiffy", and looked down on in derision in the science-fiction community).

Funny you should mention Star Trek. you have a Star Trek communicator in your purse, probably. We call them "cellphones", but they serve the same function. Ours are more complex, because one can contact far more people than just Lieutenant Uhura!

We also have the societal degradation shown in many science fiction stories, too.
Atomic bombs were science fiction.
Clarke orbit ("geosynchronous") communications satellites were created by Arthur C. Clarke for a story of his.
TV monitors which can be rolled like paper are on the way, but were used in a story in the nineties.

There are, as they say, many many more!

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 4:42:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

What do you think the gov't is holding back on us?

How long does it take for something to come out to the public when its already been in gov't use?

When will we see teleportation? If it is even possible.

Why are we not using flying cars or skateboards( like in back to the future)yet? Will we ever?

Is any technology from star trek or other sci fi's ever going to be in real life?

Are we really far behind? Or is something holding us back?






Interesting questions.   I believe that it was the History Channel that answered many of them for us.

OK   So what do I think the Govt is holding back?   who knows.   The Govt classifies so much that I don't think anyone knows.

How long will it take to come out?   depends on what it is   lol

I believe it was MIT that teleported a molicule or something like that in the lab.   so someday maybe.

I think it was back in the 50s when they were experimenting with cars with detachable wings that made them fly.   Hover craft are also flying vehicles since they only touch the ground to land.

I refer to the history channel on the star trek stuff.   they did a special and basically from what I remember many of the scientists got their ideas from Star Trek.


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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 4:51:57 PM   
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What do you think the gov't is holding back on us?



If I told you I would have to beam you over to Mars Base and hold you hostage there in the Penitentiary Holo-deck.

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 5:07:43 PM   
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What do you think the gov't is holding back on us?



If I told you I would have to beam you over to Mars Base and hold you hostage there in the Penitentiary Holo-deck.


I will only allow myself to be held hostage by Angelina Jolie...um.. or Peta Wilson (nikita)

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 5:33:58 PM   
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Anything that replaces or effectively reduces the importance of oil or coal.

Anything that undercuts the aims of the military industrial complex.

Anything that undercuts the system of fractional reserve banking.

Anything that would hamper the largest multi-nationals.

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 7:38:19 PM   
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I hope you're being tongue in cheek.  Make sure you know the difference between science fiction and fantasy.  Jules Verne wrote science fiction- rigorously based on science extrapolated to the future- and boy was he good.  HG Wells, more fanciful, much less based on science, and therefore not as accurate technically, but he did get a lot of stuff about warfare right.  Hard science fiction guys like Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein and some of Larry Niven are largely out of vogue these days- most of the current crop aren't scientists.

Teleportation, telekinetics, telepathy aren't really science fiction- more of a nice authors convention that doesn't have much basis in science.  Star Trek can be great science fiction not on the basis of its ability to extrapolate technology (OK, we've got communicators, but it's basically a walkie talkie- and you could argue that Dick Tracy predated the idea by some decades.) but by the ability to pose the "what if" questions and think it through- much in the vein of HG Wells, rather than Verne.  The original Star Trek certainly looked at racism and xenophobia with a calculating glance, as well as one of the most thought provoking pieces on computerized warfare.  The last one certainly makes you think about the direction that the military has taken by arming drones previously used only for reconnaisance.

Assuming that governments could keep really important science developments under wraps gives them more competence than I've seen to date.  Generally when governments don't like a technology for disruptive purposes- they simply don't fund it.

Sam

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 8:02:03 PM   
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Teleportation, telekinetics, telepathy aren't really science fiction- more of a nice authors convention that doesn't have much basis in science. 


.....ooooh, much as i have loved your posts on a range of subjects Samboct, i have to call you on this one

A classic definition of SF is 'reality with one thing changed'. To say that SF does not include the ideas you've listed above suggests that many fine SF books are not really SF. Teleportation and telepathy for instance, are the subjects of The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester. i believe it was published in the US as The Stars My Destination or somesuch. Now read that and tell me it's not SF...

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 10:06:53 PM   
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You have now incited me to a multi-phasic post on what they can and can't do.

Most technology these days is directed to detection, and as such there is wide spectrum which can compare different shades of green that appear identical to the eye. This is how they can find one pot plant in a forty acre cornfield. They can see through the roof of your house, but the image has little detail, but the point is, being able to "see" colors outside, or more accurately than our visual sense is a great advantage indeed. There are other things as well, but............

I do believe that there are two things that are impossible. Time travel and teleportation.

Now I cannot say that they are impossible, but consider modern basic physics. We exist in a three dimensional environment. We have three axes, X,Y and Z. And then there is time. Why don't we just call that W for now. But W did exist before X, Y and Z.

But what is before ? actually W defines what is before and what is after. I cannot conclusively prove that time travel is impossible, noone could. But, I think when physicists take time as an enumerator, which is what they do, they tend to get beyond themselves. And I also believe that time does not slow down when you approach the velocity C, even if it does for you, it doesn't anywhere else. Time is a universal constant of such nature that it cannot be different for one than another.

[Go ahead quote me]

I chose W to represent time because it was the precedent letter of the English alphabet, nothing political here, actually I am sick of politics.

Now having solved for W in a way, and realizing that it is a different kind of parameter, realizing just how impossible it is, we have the issue of teleportation.

If someday they discover that they can disintegrate something, which they have, and then find that they can integrate something, it might seem to be teleportation. But now they aren't even close to trying it on anything complex. They are on a molecular level.

And who can prove the this is THE SAME molecule that was disintegrated. This would require vast discoveries about the space time continuum that none of us has the time for. If you are thirty, forget it. Bigger minds than I have abandoned the study, save a few students in Germany, who haven't really proven their case.

OMG, what have you done.

I think we are at a point in technological development where we are going to have to carefully consider just how much technology we want. Do we need a government, or for that matter anyone, to be able to just beam soldiers or mercinaries anywhere at the speed of light ? Do we need to be able to go back in the past and really fuck history up, in ways that have never been concieved ? Do we need the power to read someone's thoughts and/or control them via an implant or some such ?

Do we want that ? Do you ?

T

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 10:47:25 PM   
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A lot of the little stuff from Trek has already come to pass, and it's quickly becoming obsolete by the reality. Communicators/cell phones, sure... but I was watching the pilot episode, "The Cage" and the first regular episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" the other night, and noticed that in several shots, the bridge crew were operating various screens with that same hand motion you use with an iphone these days...

Dr. McCoy's medical scanners are almost archaic, compared to the resolution available to some MRI units these days.

The Tricorder? My blackberry is smaller and has more functions. (including GPS, video, online translator (shades of the universal translator) phone, and ipod stereo)

Sad to say that the Klingon's sonic disruptor is now a reality too... units are currently being deployed for experimental crowd control in CA... first they confine free speech to zones, then they torture people who dissent with ultrasonics.... how charming!

The biggies: warp drive and the transporter... well.... probably never. We know that timespace is dynamic, and we also have froven that, yes, you can break the speed of light under certain conditions... but the ability to do so with something the size of the Enterprise will remain impossible for centuries, possibly millenia, to come. Same with the transporter. Yes, we've done it with subatomics... but that's a little different than doing it with people and equipment. Again, thousands of years in the future... if then. (Provided we don't shoot ourselves in the foot again, like we did with the library of Alexandria, and if we can keep the shit head creationists out of our science classes.)

The real problem facing the Earth is twofold: One, we've got to stablize our population. Two, we need to find an energy source that is plentiful, cheap, and available worldwide. You just can't build a viable, sustainable civilization by feeding off the rotting carcass of the last 65 million years.... now, fusion from burning ionized hydrogen THERE's something worth thinking about... or advanced solar... (biggest fusion generator, practically in our back yard, a mere 93 million miles away, and people are STILL sticking their heads in the sand [literally] looking for oil.... )

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/5/2008 10:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The NSA always gets first dibs.

Other than that, let's remember that new technology also requires Mass Production.

The Play Station 9 and Pentium 8 has already been invented. But like any good chess move, you normally save the best and strongest piece for last.

Let's look at medications. No manufactrue comes out with the Gel Caps or Extended Release version of there drugs untill after the original pill goes generic. This trick is used as a business move to ensure a continious need for Name Brand products.

We're purposly made to live behind current technology because it's all about the money.

As for Star Trek, much of it's tech is already here. Cell phones, blue tooth, non invasive surgery/imagry, and cloneing has already been accomplished. Check up on the History Channel. William Shatner host how Star Trek has influenced todays technology.

Flying cars? It's possible but still not probable. Other than fuel being a little over priced, we would also have to reconstruct and renovate our homes and buildings to accomdate flying cars. The prices, organization, and air traffic set up is just not there. We're simply not ready for it. 

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 1:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Flying cars are planed to be sold staring Jan 1 09.  You can put a deposit on one now http://www.moller.com/skycar.htm  Though whether they will get sold in the USA is debatable.  Drunk drivers in the air?  There is a huge amount of un commercialized technology out there already.  Amazing things are being done in labs all the time.  Getting society to adopt a new technology is the hard part.

One (but not the only) thing holding new technology back is the "Betamax" syndrome.  No one wants to invest billions of dollars, only to have a different standard adopted.  Or something much better comes along.

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 2:03:24 AM   
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What do you think the gov't is holding back on us?


Outside of not sharing its own and surpressing military-like technology? No, not considerably.

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

How long does it take for something to come out to the public when its already been in gov't use?


If it's a military tech., like brief case nukes, a rather long time. If it's a new hacking program for the NSA, perhaps never, as the technology will be dated before it would naturally come out. If it's something else? Depends, really.

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When will we see teleportation? If it is even possible.


Not for a very, very, very long time. There's so many issues with it that I can't begin to address them in this tired state, but teleportation is not a viable technology in our near future.

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Why are we not using flying cars or skateboards( like in back to the future)yet? Will we ever?


A flying car? Do you know how much energy it consumes to fly? We're already practically breaking the world's resources with far more efficient terrestrial vechiles!

Yes, we probably will, some day, when we can more directly harvest mass into energy or make some kind of Physics breakthrough of magnificient proportions. For the here and now, though, this is sci-fi with regards to being applied to the world's general transportation needs.

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Is any technology from star trek or other sci fi's ever going to be in real life?


Some of the stuff in Star Trek's shows are old tech now, if I recall the series correctly. Much of it, like their concept of warp drives and photon torpedoes, will likely never come (especially the photon torpedeos). Not that we couldn't come out with something better, but those things are based off fictional science to an extreme.


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Are we really far behind? Or is something holding us back?


We're a very stupid race with very little understanding of our universe. It's not a government conspiracy. Few people just care for Physics.

If you do, I'd encourage you to go pick up a book on some branch of Science today and begin studying. Karana knows we need more technologically proficient people these days.

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 3:17:26 AM   
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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 3:54:47 AM   
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Flying Cars my ass, People are too stupid to handle cars on  2 dimensions! Lets leave flying to trainded individuals.


my ex-husband, a professional pilot, used to comment regularly that the single most dangerous aspect of flying was the lawyer with a private license...

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 6:12:10 AM   
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Why are we not using flying cars or skateboards( like in back to the future)yet? Will we ever?


A flying car? Do you know how much energy it consumes to fly? We're already practically breaking the world's resources with far more efficient terrestrial vechiles!


 
Could you please cite your sources for this?  Flying takes very little energy actually.  Look at gliders and hang-gliders and kites.  Did not the Wright brothers use a bicycle to obtain the speed for lift?  A sail on a sailboat uses only wind energy...it's the airfoil itself that provides the motion.  Hover-trains are using magnets with a very low level of energy being used.  You may want to look into this a little further.   Of course, i'm sure i am totally mistaken by all of this so if you could cite your sources so i can become better educated on how lift cannot be achieved by any other method than expendable resources i would appreciate it.

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 6:17:25 AM   
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What do you think the gov't is holding back on us?
 
Dommes.  God made pretty much one boy for every girl.  There are exactly (I've counted) 8,744,809 male subs to every Domme.  Statistically that just doesn't seem right.

How long does it take for something to come out to the public when its already been in gov't use?
 
11 years, 16 days, 19 hours.

When will we see teleportation? If it is even possible.
 
Look in your bathroom.  I just moved your soap dish...and I'm already back at my place typing this.

Why are we not using flying cars or skateboards( like in back to the future)yet? Will we ever?
 
I already am, and I get 673 miles per gallon (and the fuel I use is beer).

Is any technology from star trek or other sci fi's ever going to be in real life?
 
No.  Space travel, data stored on a small device with no moving parts, handheld computing devices...everyone knows that's all bullshit.

Are we really far behind? Or is something holding us back?

Only this silly belief in that whole gravity thing...the really smart ones know the Earth sucks.


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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 7:03:59 AM   
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Anything that replaces or effectively reduces the importance of oil or coal.

Anything that undercuts the aims of the military industrial complex.

Anything that undercuts the system of fractional reserve banking.

Anything that would hamper the largest multi-nationals.

Go post of the day award dude go!

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RE: Advanced technology - 1/6/2008 7:07:47 AM   
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